The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[SpaceMonkey]

So in the end the clubs did not cave into government pressure.

The NRL and ARU and Soccer worked together to get the main stadium a major upgrade. The NSW Blues, Australian Kangaroos, Australian Socceroos, Australian Wallabies and Canterbury Bulldogs all benefit, along with the part-timers, Wests, St.George.

Souths are a corious one, Moore park is literally in South Sydney, but they decided to go to Homebush, thier choice, I guess that comes down to money. For mine they should play at Moore Park, but that is thier business. Either ground they get an upgrade.

The Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC all get an upgrade, not what they wanted, but still an upgrade.
Parramatta and WSW get a new stadium to share, with both having a choice to play at suitable games at Homebush.

The Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC all get an upgrade, not what they wanted, but still an upgrade.

Manly and Penrith get to keep thier home grounds, Manly even gets a 20 million upgrade.

Cronulla owns it's ground and can slowly upgrade as they become profitable, due to the development, next door.

So what happens to Kogarah, Leichhardt and Campbelltown? Part time already, thier council will not have the money for upgrades and NSW money is all spent.

I expect the saints to play some games at WIN, to staisfy the Illawarra side of the venture.

The Broncos have a world class stadium for League, Union and soccer.

The storm have a very suitable new stadium.

Gold Coast, they just need a club house to cash in better, and a new rental arrangement, the ground itself is suitable.

Have not been to Newcastle for over 10 years, same with Canberra, but they look ok on TV.

The Cowboys are the ones who need an upgrade.

The losers Victorian Football.

Happy Days

The Warriors don't rate a mention in your roundup? Our stadium situation is far from a done deal. we're staying at Mt Smart for a while which has a good layout but needs significant upgrades (ideally a proper south stand and refurbishment of the existing western grandstand and food/beverage facilities), and long term the concept of a new state of the art downtown stadium in Aucklamd is still being sniffed around at.

 

[BlueandGold]

So in the end the clubs did not cave into government pressure.

The NRL and ARU and Soccer worked together to get the main stadium a major upgrade. The NSW Blues, Australian Kangaroos, Australian Socceroos, Australian Wallabies and Canterbury Bulldogs all benefit, along with the part-timers, Wests, St.George.

Souths are a corious one, Moore park is literally in South Sydney, but they decided to go to Homebush, thier choice, I guess that comes down to money. For mine they should play at Moore Park, but that is thier business. Either ground they get an upgrade.

The Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC all get an upgrade, not what they wanted, but still an upgrade.
Parramatta and WSW get a new stadium to share, with both having a choice to play at suitable games at Homebush.

The Roosters, Waratahs and Sydney FC all get an upgrade, not what they wanted, but still an upgrade.

Manly and Penrith get to keep thier home grounds, Manly even gets a 20 million upgrade.

Cronulla owns it's ground and can slowly upgrade as they become profitable, due to the development, next door.

So what happens to Kogarah, Leichhardt and Campbelltown? Part time already, thier council will not have the money for upgrades and NSW money is all spent.

I expect the saints to play some games at WIN, to staisfy the Illawarra side of the venture.

The Broncos have a world class stadium for League, Union and soccer.

The storm have a very suitable new stadium.

Gold Coast, they just need a club house to cash in better, and a new rental arrangement, the ground itself is suitable.

Have not been to Newcastle for over 10 years, same with Canberra, but they look ok on TV.

The Cowboys are the ones who need an upgrade.

The losers Victorian Football.

Happy Days

The Big loosers are the AFL totally agree with you there. Leach on Insiders thinks that is a disaster for the AFL's push into Western Sydney and i have to aggree with him on that point.

But lets not get to cozy with the ARU as they actively tried to scuttle any attempt along with the SCG Trust(GWS and Swans CEO, Alan Jones, Burbon Becs husband) and Stuart Ayres to have ANZ rebuilt as it would benefit the NRL the most.

They even went as far as threatening the NRL that they would pull funding and give it to the AFL and Cricket if they did not agree to move games (Manly, Sharks, Souths) to Moore Park.

The NRL and FFA agreed on ANZ and wanted the same thing, the ARU wanted a new 55k stadium at Moore park that would benefit them with little benefit to the NRL. The ARU also offered Bledisloe Cup games up as content for the proposed 55k stadium at Moore park to get the deal over the line.

Fortunately these merkins were unsuccessful in there attempt to Bully the NRL clubs into accepting there shit sandwich of a deal.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/706de0f2b9899094cd6cc13983416114

As you can here from this interview with Mr Baird, Mr Ayres was trying to push the Moore Park stadium through without Content from the NRL.

That Moore park Stadium was never going to return on investment without the NRL Clubs moving to Moore Park, effectively destroying Manly and the Sharks fans bases.

This bloke doing the interview on with Mr Baird is grilling him but to Baird credit he handled it well imo.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

I've proved you wrong with facts and reference so you head straight to the ad hominem.
If gross area to population is mental gymnastics then I'm baffled the think of of what fact you would accept.
Don't like my interpretation of the Metro's?
Blame the ABS.

I couldn't be more clear about the distinction between Perth and Brisbane and Perth and SEQ

All you've proved is that you don't understand what you're copying and pasting. Gross area, seriously?

If Brisbane's GCCSA suddenly stretched 160kms to include most of SEQ and had a population jump to 3M+would anyone be talking about 'Brisbane' overtaking Melbourne's population?

If the ABS tomorrow decided to revise Perth's GCCSA so that it stopped 30kms from the CBD would it mean that Adelaide or the GC have suddenly outgrown Perth?

As the areas around Perth grow they'll likely be cut off to form their own urban areas. e.g: The fast growing Peel region 75kms from Perth, what do you think will happen as it grows? It'll be cut off from the current Perth GCCSA to form it's own urban area, like the GC, SC and DD. Which, not to put too fine point on it, would obviously change any current predictions.

Cities boom and bust but Perth overtaking Brisbane is just fantasy. Open your eyes.

 

[herbert henry1908]

i would have said the sfs is in eastern suburbs territory. it makes sense that souths play at olympic park because there are rabbitohs supporters all over sydney and anz stadium is more central in the sydney area, and there are also more rabbitohs supporters in western sydney than in the actual south sydney area. i can't wait for the anz stadium redevelopment

It absolutely is Roosters territory , always has been. Their home ground since 1911.

 

[herbert henry1908]

At the moment no
The GOVT is spending f**kloads on light rail.
we also have the Mr Fluffy asbestos removal thingo happening. which has eaten a lot of the govts coffers for stuff like stadiums.

realistically I don't see an upgrade or build or anything in the next 15-20 years

by then bruce will be old as

If Canberra could get a 3rd tenant (Aleague) it could tip the balance & get it done earlier.

The projection I last heard was 2025 once the Mr Fluffy stuff is taken care of.

And it's meant to be similar to the Dunedin indoor stadium. (Forsyth Barr)

 

[Mr Angry]

The Warriors don't rate a mention in your roundup? Our stadium situation is far from a done deal. we're staying at Mt Smart for a while which has a good layout but needs significant upgrades (ideally a proper south stand and refurbishment of the existing western grandstand and food/beverage facilities), and long term the concept of a new state of the art downtown stadium in Aucklamd is still being sniffed around at.

Fair call, the problem is they get no Federal money, does not even be discussed as far as I can tell, they should, cannot leave it just to Auckland and privates. Benefit all NZ, do not pretend to know if it is the right place other than Auckland (as in the docks), but geez they need to throw in.

 

[Perth Red]

Regardless of Perth v Brisbane there is a massive population within driving distance of nib stadium to attract to the NRL. Can't see nib getting finished for many years so would be Good to use the GF and SOOpotential at the new Perth stadium to convince them to invest in getting the ends done ready for a NRL club, should we ever get one.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The NRL and FFA agreed on ANZ and wanted the same thing, the ARU wanted a new 55k stadium at Moore park that would benefit them with little benefit to the NRL. The ARU also offered Bledisloe Cup games up as content for the proposed 55k stadium at Moore park to get the deal over the line.
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Where did you hear this about the Bledisloe? First time I've read that.

 

[Mr Angry]

It absolutely is Roosters territory , always has been. Their home ground since 1911.

I always walked from redfern, found it quicker to walk. Defs on the border, any can google it.
Bondi I would cab it.

 

[Mr Angry]

That said Souths want to be Homebush their commercial choice.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I always walked from redfern, found it quicker to walk. Defs on the border, any can google it.
Bondi I would cab it.

I agree it's on the border but it's always been more roosters than Bunnies purely because they've played there for so long.

 

[Mr Angry]

Ok but how far is Homebush?

We are talking of sharing grounds...no?

 

[Mr Angry]

Bulldogs, Parra, even the saints closer (except Illawarra)...Again I say if that what want Souths the private club want their choice. But Homebush is not in South Sydney, not even close. Moore Park is a walk away, and that is what they walk away from.

 

[Mr Angry]

Simply reminds of how Souths sold out, and still do.

ARL, ARL, hated Super League bid time, sold the club, now try to buy Homebush and the original, Wests home territory...show that protest against the money...10,000 in Redfern walking against moving....sold, moved, all good.

 

[dangerousdave]

All you've proved is that you don't understand what you're copying and pasting. Gross area, seriously?

If Brisbane's GCCSA suddenly stretched 160kms to include most of SEQ and had a population jump to 3M+would anyone be talking about 'Brisbane' overtaking Melbourne's population?

If the ABS tomorrow decided to revise Perth's GCCSA so that it stopped 30kms from the CBD would it mean that Adelaide or the GC have suddenly outgrown Perth?

As the areas around Perth grow they'll likely be cut off to form their own urban areas. e.g: The fast growing Peel region 75kms from Perth, what do you think will happen as it grows? It'll be cut off from the current Perth GCCSA to form it's own urban area, like the GC, SC and DD. Which, not to put too fine point on it, would obviously change any current predictions.

Cities boom and bust but Perth overtaking Brisbane is just fantasy. Open your eyes.

I think you probably haven't been to Perth in a while. It's really gone through a rapid period of growth more than you'd realise if you had only really heard about it. That's not to say Perth will take over... That's just one model which would likely require unrealistic growth targets based on a lulling of the resource sector. Is it likely,? No. Is it possible? A strong and firm maybe.

Now as for metro areas, you're 100% wrong. The classification of Metropolitan area relates to the way in which the economy is internalised. Where people work, etc. The physical size of an area is entirely irrelevant.

Take for example the Central Coast. Based on people's work, play and most importantly economic habits, it was recently deemed to be categorised as it's own statistical division. As a result, the population of Sydney decreases as that area will soon cease to be included in Sydney populations figures.

Of course, there's competing algorithms made by different planners, academics, etc. As a result, there will always be some conjecture as to exactly a city or metro area is defined. In Australia, the ABS are pretty good at making logical and pragmatic decisions on statistical boundaries and their metro layers are by far the strongest way we have to define a 'city'.

So yeah, geographic footprints don't matter anywhere near as much as socio -cultural and economic influence.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

I think you probably haven't been to Perth in a while. It's really gone through a rapid period of growth more than you'd realise if you had only really heard about it. That's not to say Perth will take over... That's just one model which would likely require unrealistic growth targets based on a lulling of the resource sector. Is it likely,? No. Is it possible? A strong and firm maybe.

Now as for metro areas, you're 100% wrong. The classification of Metropolitan area relates to the way in which the economy is internalised. Where people work, etc. The physical size of an area is entirely irrelevant.

Take for example the Central Coast. Based on people's work, play and most importantly economic habits, it was recently deemed to be categorised as it's own statistical division. As a result, the population of Sydney decreases as that area will soon cease to be included in Sydney populations figures.

Of course, there's competing algorithms made by different planners, academics, etc. As a result, there will always be some conjecture as to exactly a city or metro area is defined. In Australia, the ABS are pretty good at making logical and pragmatic decisions on statistical boundaries and their metro layers are by far the strongest way we have to define a 'city'.

So yeah, geographic footprints don't matter anywhere near as much as socio -cultural and economic influence.

That's the entire point in the previous post.
Perth is growing, and as it grows the GCCSA will shrink. Places like Peel will split off once the ABS thinks it has enough people living and working there to be classed as seperate to Perth. Just like the GC. Just like the SC. Etc, etc.

Making predictions on current statistical areas and then expecting those same areas to remain unchanged for 20+ years is fun but won't be all that accurate. Old mate can bump this thread in 20 years but for some reason I doubt he'll need to do so.

 

[dangerousdave]

Peel is, and always will be, equally or more tied into Perth than Ipswich is to Brisbane.

Irrespective, some models of growth that show Perth overtaking Brisbane actually included that categorical fracture. The relevant strategic planning document is called Perth and Peel @ 3.5 million 2031. It estimates 550k in a new Peel metro area. Still leaves just under 3mil in Perth proper.

 

[dangerousdave]

I stand corrected. That's actually for 2050

 

[Shire Panther]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...18-go8s5g.html

Quote:
St George Illawarra would play up to 10 home matches in Wollongong and South Sydney would move to the new stadium at Parramatta under a Sydney Stadium Strategy proposed by former Roosters chief executive Bernie Gurr for the city's nine NRL clubs.

Gurr, who was touted as a candidate for the NRL CEO job and is considered a pre-eminent thinker on big issues within the game, recently sent a 14-page document to NRL chairman John Grant and NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres outlining his vision for where each Sydney club should play in the future.

The announcement last week of how the State Government would spend $1.6 billion allocated for Parramatta, ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium has left open the question of where clubs will play as the NRL is no longer required to commit 65 matches per season at those venues – only State of Origin and grand finals.
While Gurr supports ANZ Stadium hosting major events, including the NRL's Easter weekend blockbusters, he quotes statistics showing the average attendance at the 2000 Olympic Stadium for 242 premiership games between 2006 and 2015 was18,460 – or 22 per cent capacity – to argue for most matches to be played at smaller venues

However, Gurr does not support clubs playing at "archaic suburban grounds" such as Kogarah, Leichhardt, Campbelltown or Belmore and urged the NRL to adopt the model of Major League Soccer in the US, where he lives and works as chief financial officer of Crown Pacific.
"Major League Soccer in the USA has developed, and continues to implement, a stadium policy of building 20,000-25,000 seat stadia," Gurr wrote. "The intention was to build atmosphere, cultivate an outstanding game day experience and, when full, is a great 'look' for the league – [which] makes it look more attractive.
"The 'right-size' for a Sydney Rugby League stadium of the future is a capacity of 25,000 to 40,000."

The new stadium at Parramatta will have a 30,000 capacity, Manly has received $20 million in funding for what they hope will eventually be a 23,000 seat stadium at Brookvale and the State Government has outlined long-term plans for a stadium in greater western Sydney – possibly at Liverpool, whose council have released designs for a 30,000-seat covered stadium.

With more than 7,000 of Souths members living west of ANZ
Stadium and 2015 ticketing data revealing that 16 per cent of Rabbitohs fans reside in the Parramatta, Hill District or Greater West and 22 per cent come from the south-west corridor between Strathfield and Campbelltown, Gurr suggested the club should share the new Parramatta Stadium with the Eels.
"South Sydney continually justifies their presence at Stadium Australia, rather than their traditional spiritual precinct at Moore Park, on their research data that shows many of their fans live in western Sydney. Parramatta Stadium is only 10 minutes further west than Stadium Australia," Gurr said.
He also said a new stadium at Liverpool would be ideal for Wests Tigers and Canterbury, who had been set to move to a new stadium in the area which was part of the ill-fated Oasis development before the 2002 salary cap scandal, while the Dragons should play 10 of their 12 home games at WIN Stadium, which has a 23,000 capacity.
"From promotional and demographic perspectives, we need to continue to 'regionalise' and push our game into the outer-Sydney areas, such as south-western Sydney (Tigers & Bulldogs), inner-western Sydney (Parramatta – the geographical heart of Sydney), outer-western Sydney (Panthers) and the Illawarra region (Dragons), plus solve the northern beaches/north shore stadium issue (Sea Eagles)," Gurr wrote.
"The St. George Illawarra Dragons should play at least 10 games a year at Wollongong, which has had taxpayer-assisted funds dedicated to it in recent years. The NRL should want the Dragons to be the 'flagship' team in promoting our game in the vast Illawarra region.
"Another NRL premiership game, plus a pre-season trial, could be played at Kogarah Oval, the Dragons' spiritual Sydney home. The other premiership match may be played at the most appropriate Sydney venue, maybe Parramatta Stadium or Liverpool Stadium, given the Dragons' large fan base across Sydney. "
Gurr said Wests Tigers could play one premiership match and one pre-season trial per year at Leichhardt Oval, and the Bulldogs could play one premiership match and one trial per year at Belmore Oval.

 

[carcharias]

Maybe dragons can rent shark park off us on our away weekends .
Most of the players live here anyway.