The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[bazza]

So what happens to Kogarah, Leichhardt and Campbelltown? Part time already, thier council will not have the money for upgrades and NSW money is all spent.

There is $40m to build 'centers of excellence' that could be tapped in for upgrades, however, I don't believe that any of those grounds are used for training purposes by the clubs

Have not been to Newcastle for over 10 years, same with Canberra, but they look ok on TV.

The Cowboys are the ones who need an upgrade.

Canberra and Cowboys both have plans for new stadiums closer to the city centre which will be a big win for those clubs

 

[alien]

Souths are a corious one, Moore park is literally in South Sydney, but they decided to go to Homebush, thier choice, I guess that comes down to money. For mine they should play at Moore Park, but that is thier business. Either ground they get an upgrade.

i would have said the sfs is in eastern suburbs territory. it makes sense that souths play at olympic park because there are rabbitohs supporters all over sydney and anz stadium is more central in the sydney area, and there are also more rabbitohs supporters in western sydney than in the actual south sydney area. i can't wait for the anz stadium redevelopment

 

[Perth Red]

Still say the new parra stadium is likely to be a far superior fans experience for most club games than ANZ. Is the reluctance to use for someone like Souths because it is perceived as eels home ground? Will the financial sweeteners to use ANZ exist post reno's I wonder? Am I reading it right that despite all being owned by NSW Govt they will be managed by different SMC's meaning there is still likely to be an inequity in what the grounds do to entice teams to play there?

 

[big hit!]

i would have said the sfs is in eastern suburbs territory. it makes sense that souths play at olympic park because there are rabbitohs supporters all over sydney and anz stadium is more central in the sydney area, and there are also more rabbitohs supporters in western sydney than in the actual south sydney area. i can't wait for the anz stadium redevelopment

moore park straddles both sides of Anzac pde so its basically shares both districts. moore park jrlfc is a souths junior club btw......always has been.

in terms of using a stadium within or close to its district, the SFS is the obvious choice for souths. however as you say, South Sydney (like much of original heartlands rugby league clubs were born) is gentrifying at rate of knots and much of the rabbitohs supporter base live in all parts of the metropolitan and the state. besides, Souths at the SFS were a bit like the New York Jets at the Giants Stadium in the NFL ........ definitely the 2nd class tenant.

thing is, gentrification is happening in London areas but not really affecting their club in the same way. head into east london these days for example, and you would assume that the Boleyn ground on West Ham game days would be full of Indians and Pakistanis, but it isn't. Furthermore with their move to the Olympic Stadium, they'll still be playing games in their district which is extremely important in the English FA. Clubs need approval to move out of boroughs/districts and play in another which a club is already servicing. it's a shame that links to districts are slowly being phased out in the NRL.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Have not been to Newcastle for over 10 years, same with Canberra, but they look ok on TV.

Canberra has way too many areas out in the elements given its Canberra

if building in the city is too problematic, then they should nock down bruce as it is, make it a full on rectangle without the extra width on each side..
have proper ends and more seating and bank the seats up at a steeper incline.
and cover the thing.

could be done with a capacity of about 35-40k
that would be awesome for the raiders and brumbies but more importantly for Canberra we would be able to get test football, test rugby and socceroos games on a more regular basis

 

[Perth Red]

Canberra has way too many areas out in the elements given its Canberra

if building in the city is too problematic, then they should nock down bruce as it is, make it a full on rectangle without the extra width on each side..
have proper ends and more seating and bank the seats up at a steeper incline.
and cover the thing.

could be done with a capacity of about 35-40k
that would be awesome for the raiders and brumbies but more importantly for Canberra we would be able to get test football, test rugby and socceroos games on a more regular basis

Does the ACT Govt have $400-500mill to spend on a new stadium like this?

 

[Frank Discussion]

For mine Newcastle is the best ground in the NRL. It's got everything, good stands, food and bev, corporate boxes and a hill for those who want that experience. All have good sight lines etc.

I know that people ooh and aah about all seater stadiums but grass hills are an integral part of the fabric of rugby league and many stakeholders still desire that experience. On a nice day they are great too. Fair play to the Adelaide Oval designers for maintaining a small hill.

 

[franklin2323]

North-west and South-west growth areas have direct rail links to Parramatta and the City

As it will too Penrith. I don't see it as happening but fans aren't going to go every week so can see the need for a stadium out west just need teams to use it

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Still say the new parra stadium is likely to be a far superior fans experience for most club games than ANZ. Is the reluctance to use for someone like Souths because it is perceived as eels home ground? Will the financial sweeteners to use ANZ exist post reno's I wonder? Am I reading it right that despite all being owned by NSW Govt they will be managed by different SMC's meaning there is still likely to be an inequity in what the grounds do to entice teams to play there?

would depend entirely on what the grounds can offer
if parra stadium can offer more, then maybe? but I would say anz has greater ability for sweeteners to be given to potential tenants.

Does the ACT Govt have $400-500mill to spend on a new stadium like this?

At the moment no
The GOVT is spending f**kloads on light rail.
we also have the Mr Fluffy asbestos removal thingo happening. which has eaten a lot of the govts coffers for stuff like stadiums.

realistically I don't see an upgrade or build or anything in the next 15-20 years

by then bruce will be old as

 

[Frank Discussion]

would depend entirely on what the grounds can offer
if parra stadium can offer more, then maybe? but I would say anz has greater ability for sweeteners to be given to potential tenants.



At the moment no
The GOVT is spending f**kloads on light rail.
we also have the Mr Fluffy asbestos removal thingo happening. which has eaten a lot of the govts coffers for stuff like stadiums.

realistically I don't see an upgrade or build or anything in the next 15-20 years

by then bruce will be old as

RCB did you enjoy going to a game in your home town yesterday? I've never been to Bruce, how do you rate the experience compared to paradise (Shark Park)?

 

[CC_Roosters]

moore park straddles both sides of Anzac pde so its basically shares both districts. moore park jrlfc is a souths junior club btw......always has been.

in terms of using a stadium within or close to its district, the SFS is the obvious choice for souths. however as you say, South Sydney (like much of original heartlands rugby league clubs were born) is gentrifying at rate of knots and much of the rabbitohs supporter base live in all parts of the metropolitan and the state. besides, Souths at the SFS were a bit like the New York Jets at the Giants Stadium in the NFL ........ definitely the 2nd class tenant.

thing is, gentrification is happening in London areas but not really affecting their club in the same way. head into east london these days for example, and you would assume that the Boleyn ground on West Ham game days would be full of Indians and Pakistanis, but it isn't. Furthermore with their move to the Olympic Stadium, they'll still be playing games in their district which is extremely important in the English FA. Clubs need approval to move out of boroughs/districts and play in another which a club is already servicing. it's a shame that links to districts are slowly being phased out in the NRL.

A large amount of west hams home support travels in from towns outside east london. Sydney clubs never took attendance seriously im the times when it was cheaper to build stadia. Could of had a much better suburban ground situatio if they had done so decades ago.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

RCB did you enjoy going to a game in your home town yesterday? I've never been to Bruce, how do you rate the experience compared to paradise (Shark Park)?

yeah man, we bossed em. nice day out too.
I just counted I have been to 20 raiders games since 2013 and they have lost 18 of em.
lol

no hill at bruce.
so if you like the hill, that's no good. but they have terrace seating.

shark park is great because unlike bruce, which has nothing to go to pre or post game without f**king around we have the leagues right there.
Manuka for where it is shits on bruce.
they need to build something in the city.

bruce has more undercover areas than cronulla for those who wish to pay more. but for GA you are in the elements, albeit in a chair and not standing.

if you come down next year park at the Bruce CIT (Tafe) near calvary and walk down. parking is free there and they set up a cop or traffic cones for easy getaway.

that said, do the CSSC bus that looked like a good ol time.

 

[big hit!]

A large amount of west hams home support travels in from towns outside east london. Sydney clubs never took attendance seriously im the times when it was cheaper to build stadia. Could of had a much better suburban ground situatio if they had done so decades ago.

no doubt. that's what happens when football clubs could just lean on the Leagues' clubs for funding rather than seek revenue streams for themselves. It took too long for football clubs to detach from the teat.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Rubbish. The predictions count all of Brisbane Metropolitain Area which includes all the mentioned NOT just the City of Brisbane municipal council of which Perth Metro is twice the size of. Either you are mistaken or obfuscating the fact.

Perth Metro may very well overtake Brisbane Metro but will never match or overtake the population of the South East Queensland region which Brisbane is the core of.

Perth's GCCSA area is 160kms long. Brisbane's GCCSA area stops 35kms to the south where it hits the Gold Coast and 55kms to the north where it hits the Sunshine Coast.

If Brisbane's GCCSA area was ~160kms long like Perth's it'd include all the the Gold Coast and parts of the Sunshine Coast and northern NSW. That's over 3 million people...

Perth is a boom/bust mining town. The only chance it has to outgrow Brisbane is when the Broncos win 10 successive premierships and the Sydneysiders get so salty that they nuke Lang Park.

 

[Pj,Rj,Hj]

The dimensions of Perth's GCCSA along only one axis is irrelevant when the ABS uses the same criteria to define the Metropolitan Areas within GCCSA's nation wide.
What matters is the area.
Brisbane has 2.3 million within a GCCSA area of 15 826 km^2. None of that includes the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast or Toowoomba.
Perth has 2.1 million within a GCCSA area of 6418 km^2.

Under the parameters used by the ABS, Perth could very well over take Brisbane by 2029 as potentially projected.

As I said in my previous post, Perth will not match or over take the South East Queensland Region.

http://http://blog.id.com.au/2011/how-to/new-abs-geography-part-5-greater-capital-cities-are-they-greater/

 

[alien]

For mine Newcastle is the best ground in the NRL. It's got everything, good stands, food and bev, corporate boxes and a hill for those who want that experience. All have good sight lines etc.

i've been there plenty of times, and it's pretty good. my favourite stadium that i've been to is suncorp stadium, but i think anz stadium will be even better when it is redeveloped

 

[alien]

just on penrith, why do they need a new stadium? i've been there plenty of times and i thought they had a pretty good set up. 2 decent stands on the sides, and hills on the ends (for people who like hills), close to the station and panthers club, and i can't remember the last time the stadium there was sold out

 

[Lockyer4President!]

The dimensions of Perth's GCCSA along only one axis is irrelevant when the ABS uses the same criteria to define the Metropolitan Areas within GCCSA's nation wide.
What matters is the area.
Brisbane has 2.3 million within a GCCSA area of 15 826 km^2. None of that includes the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast or Toowoomba.
Perth has 2.1 million within a GCCSA area of 6418 km^2.

Under the parameters used by the ABS, Perth could very well over take Brisbane by 2029 as potentially projected.

As I said in my previous post, Perth will not match or over take the South East Queensland Region.

http://http://blog.id.com.au/2011/how-to/new-abs-geography-part-5-greater-capital-cities-are-they-greater/

'Perth' spreading 160kms north-south to encompass almost every major settlement in SW WA is irrelevant but gross area is the key comparison, when most of that area is occupied by empty lands?

This is great. What other mental gymnastics can you perform for us tonight?

 

[Pommy]

it's not an over estimation, and if they are going to spend the money anyway, i'd rather it go to something good, which it will

the walk from the station/carpark is only short. you are in the stadium for at least 2 hrs, and you don't want the seats wet either.

It's ok because there will still be loads of empty seats. ANZ isn't going to suddenly be full even after the development.
I know they're going to spend the money anyway which is why I'm suggesting a better use for the money would be making sure SFS has some money left to have a spruce up. Either that or they should blow it on coke and hookers.

 

[Pj,Rj,Hj]

spreading 160kms north-south to encompass almost every major settlement in SW WA is irrelevant but gross area is the key comparison, when most of that area is occupied by empty lands?

This is great. What other mental gymnastics can you perform for us tonight?

I've proved you wrong with facts and reference so you head straight to the ad hominem.
If gross area to population is mental gymnastics then I'm baffled the think of of what fact you would accept.
Don't like my interpretation of the Metro's?
Blame the ABS.

I couldn't be more clear about the distinction between Perth and Brisbane and Perth and SEQ