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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

TheRam

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I know I shouldn't derail again, but goddamn you're dense.

BT Sport is a pay TV channel in the UK, you know Europe is bigger than the UK yeah? Like France doesn't get British TV. Wait you're from Logan, you probably think France is where pizza comes from.

Anyway lel thought I'd leave this one here, regular season Premiership game draws more than an entire week of Super League games on British TV.

"A peak of 750,000 viewers tuned into ITV to watch Sale beat Leicester on Sunday with a further 213,000 watching on BT Sport, taking the total close to one million."


No as my history teacher used to tell us all pizza and pasta comes from the ancient Greeks and we all used to laugh, but...

Based on etymology, the “Vocabolario Etimologico della Lingua Italiana” reveals that pizza comes from the dialectal pinza from the Latin pinsere, which means to pound or stamp. Other etymologists suggest it is related to the Lombardic word bizzo or pizzo, which means mouthful, and is related to the English word bite.

The History of Pizza – Greece to Naples to America​

Although Italy has the fame for creating pizza the history of pizza dates back many hundred years to the ancient Greeks. The Greeks were known to baked large flat unleavened bread topped with oils, herbs, spices and dates. Their creation loosely resembled what is known today as pizza.

Naples is typically thought of as the birth place of pizza. Pizza was the food of Naples lower class in the past. At the time they created their version of pizza with a thin flat bread topped with a tomato sauce. This changed with a single expression of Italian pride. In the later part of the 1800s Raffaele Esposito, an Italian Baker in Naples, is accredited to have created the first Neapolitan pizza while royalty was visiting. The Italian Monarch, King Umberto and Queen Margherita were touring Naples. Esposito wanted to impress the royal family and show his patriotic love for his country and chose to top a pizza with tomatoes, mozzarella cheese and basil which reflected the colors of the Italian flag. Esposito impressed the King and Queen and the news of the new creation traveled quickly and just as quickly was copied by many. The new pizza was called Pizza Margherita and is the official pizza of Naples.

Pizza made it to the states in 1905 when Gennaro Lombardi, an Italian immigrant who owned a small grocery on Spring street in Manhattan started making tomato pies for his fellow Italian immigrants to eat at worksites during lunch. Eventually Lombardi was selling more pies than groceries so he closed the grocery and became the first pizzeria in the United States. His pizzeria was called Lombardi’s and exists today with the same oven and great pizza a block from its original location.

Pizza didn’t become an American craze until after World War II when pizzerias started to open up in every city across the states. Upon hitting Chicago the people needed something a bit heartier than the New York style pizza and Ike Sewell knew exactly what that was, the deep dish pizza. This pie was heavy on toppings with the sauce on top and the cheese on the bottom all baked in a deep round cake like pan. This pizza pie was a meal and not just something to grab on the go and kept you warm on those cold days. Ike started Pizzeria Uno to showcase what a pizza pie could be and it wasn’t long till it was as much a part of the culture as Wrigley field and the cubs.

In 1982 California staked a claim on the pizza world which reflected Hollywood’s need for extravagance and luxury. Wolf Gang puck’s restaurant Spago with pizza chef Ed LaDou crafted pizzas with luxurious toppings. LaDou had no boundaries that contained him and expanded the pizza more than anyone else. By the time LaDou left Spago he had created 250 unique pizzas for the menu.

Recently the Japanese has dove into the making their own cultural mark on pizza as have other countries. Okonomiyaki is similar to pizza but with some unusual toppings for the western palette and are typically fried on a griddle. Pizza has taken on many forms since the first pies in Greece but despite the variety its become a staple of comfort food and seems to have no set boundaries.


Don’t Tell the Italians — It was Greeks Who Invented Pizza

When we hear the word pizza, our minds travel first to the delicious flat bread that comes out of the oven topped with melted cheese and other yummy ingredients.

The food is also indelibly linked in popular culture to the country of Italy. And when we speak of Italian restaurants, a big portion of the menu is occupied by the beloved pizza.

Yet the idea of a flat piece of dough topped with herbs and cheese seems to have originated in ancient Greece.

There is historical evidence that Greeks ate a flat bread called πλακούς (plakous) — “flat” — which was topped with olive oil, herbs, onion, cheese and garlic and then baked in a mud oven.

Romans adapted Greek pizza​

The Romans, who adapted many Greek customs and habits, naturally adopted the idea of baking plakous in the oven after putting the ingredients of their choice on top.

Italian folklore says that pizza as we know it today originated in a primitive form in Naples as the food of the poor.

The original ingredients were simply flour, water and a tiny bit of tomato paste on top. If there were more ingredients available, they would be added on top of the tomato paste.

Being such a symbol of the nation, naturally Italians had to try to pinpoint the exact birthdate of this great food.

Naples Baker Raffaele Esposito is often given credit for creating the first pizza pie to have cheese as well as tomato paste as toppings.

Italian historians note, however, that flat breads with a variety of toppings had been sold by street vendors and eaten by the poor workers of Naples before Esposito’s time.

Legend has it that Esposito was invited to make a grand pizza for Italian King Umberto I and Queen Margherita when they visited Naples in 1889.

That pizza, which featured fresh tomatoes, mozzarella cheese, and basil, is known today as Pizza Margherita.

And, as anyone who has traveled to Italy knows, Italians are very proud to note that the red, green and white colors of the Margherita are reflected in the nation’s flag.

Pizza brought to the US​

In the 19th century, Italian immigrants brought the concept of the pizza along with them to France, England, and the United States.

Pizza as a street food became very popular in the United States and New York City in particular. From there, especially in the years after WWII, it was exported back to Europe and the rest of the world.

G. Lombardi’s, the very first pizzeria in the world, was opened in 1905 by Gennaro Lombardi at 53 1/3 Spring Street in New York City. Amazingly, it is still open today and uses its original oven, although the restaurant has changed locations.

Today, pizza is one of the most beloved foods around the world, yet American-style pizza has had a mixed reception in Italy.

If you travel there and go to a traditional Italian restaurant away from tourist areas, you will not find pizza on the menu.

But if you are in a tourist area in Italy, pizza is advertised in every eatery, mainly because American tourists cannot imagine Italy without their beloved version of pizza.

In contrast, Greece has wholeheartedly accepted the American-style innovations to the ubiquitous food.

In the place where pizza had its ancient, humble origins, American-style pizza has become a favorite food for many.


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So we are all eating Greek food and we didn't even know it. Well after all that I think I'll be having Greek tonight. ;)
 

Perth Red

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"A peak of 750,000 viewers tuned into ITV to watch Sale beat Leicester on Sunday with a further 213,000 watching on BT Sport, taking the total close to one million."

first SL game ever on UK FTA Ch4 at the weekend:

average audience of 531,000 peak 750,000. Ahows the potential for growth in th game in Uk if it can get its act together and get media on board.


as for Tigers lol so RL! Sydney builds a state of the art RL stadium and Tigers think its a good idea to play in two suburban dumps instead.
WSS should be home to Tigers, Dogs and Eels, at least until Liverpool area stadium gets built for Tigers and Dogs to share.
 

Yosemite Sam

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first SL game ever on UK FTA Ch4 at the weekend:

average audience of 531,000 peak 750,000. Ahows the potential for growth in th game in Uk if it can get its act together and get media on board.


as for Tigers lol so RL! Sydney builds a state of the art RL stadium and Tigers think its a good idea to play in two suburban dumps instead.
WSS should be home to Tigers, Dogs and Eels, at least until Liverpool area stadium gets built for Tigers and Dogs to share.
WSS was never going to work for any other club except for the Eels. Both the Tigers and Dogs have tried it and couldn't draw a decent crowd. The same thing will happen when the Panthers move there next year. Fans of other clubs are never going to accept it as their home ground.
 

Perth Red

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WSS was never going to work for any other club except for the Eels. Both the Tigers and Dogs have tried it and couldn't draw a decent crowd. The same thing will happen when the Panthers move there next year. Fans of other clubs are never going to accept it as their home ground.
Thats such rubbish lol. If they played all home games there then it would become home. Even as it stands the Tigers crowds are more than comparable and better there in most cases than Campbelltown or Leichardt. Bulldogs have only played 1 game there pre covid so we dont know but if you're a RL fan and you prefer watching games at an empty ANZ over WSS you want your head testing imo!

Not to mention the money they can make from far superior corporate facilities. Then you throw in the opportunity to have reciprocal free attendance for 6 games a year meaning, if NRL scheduled them right, we could see six 25k plus games. Then what having extra capacity allows you to do in terms of free kids memberships etc

You could easily dress and light WSS depending on who was the home team to make it feel like home. Its just small suburban thinking that continues to blight the game in Sydney
 
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Lol as YS stated ...it's not their ground so other teams will not get good crowds .
It's not hard to understand ...lol well I am explaining it to you .
 

Iamback

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WSS was never going to work for any other club except for the Eels. Both the Tigers and Dogs have tried it and couldn't draw a decent crowd. The same thing will happen when the Panthers move there next year. Fans of other clubs are never going to accept it as their home ground.

1000%. Our crowds will half playing there ( assuming our draw matches this year)
 

Iamback

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Also. You are from Perth & don't try to hide your love of everything AFL so it's no surprise you just DONT GET tribalism in RL
Especially in SYD .
That is all
There endeth your lesson for today .

It isn't just that.

I know 10-20 Panthers members who are debating whether to renew next year. I presume people in other circles are the same.

not suitable times to attend games there
 

Smug Panther

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It isn't just that.

I know 10-20 Panthers members who are debating whether to renew next year. I presume people in other circles are the same.

not suitable times to attend games there
I'll be in the minority going to more games as it's a much better train trip from the coast
 

Iamback

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I'll be in the minority going to more games as it's a much better train trip from the coast

Even Thurs night?

Those I speak of are tradies. Start work at 5.30am
All Stars granted had trackwork but was home after midnight. Even allowing for that 11-11.30 you'd think

very limited parking around the stadium too. It is only for 2 seasons atleast
 

Smug Panther

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Even Thurs night?

Those I speak of are tradies. Start work at 5.30am
All Stars granted had trackwork but was home after midnight. Even allowing for that 11-11.30 you'd think

very limited parking around the stadium too. It is only for 2 seasons atleast
I'm mostly in the office and have flexible hours these days. Much rather be on the tools
 

parrawentyfan

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Even Thurs night?

Those I speak of are tradies. Start work at 5.30am
All Stars granted had trackwork but was home after midnight. Even allowing for that 11-11.30 you'd think

very limited parking around the stadium too. It is only for 2 seasons atleast


Trackwork...

As someone who doesn't live in Sydney I make the trek up for a handful of games each year pre-covid. But honestly the track work. Every bloody time.

Makes a 20 minute trip into an hour plus. Shits me so much. Last time I went to a game at Bankwest, to replace my train to Liverpool, I had to get a train from Parramatta to Strathfield, then train from Strathfield to Fairfield. Then bus from Fairfield to Cabramatta, then back on the train for Cabra to Liverpool.
 

Iamback

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Trackwork...

As someone who doesn't live in Sydney I make the trek up for a handful of games each year pre-covid. But honestly the track work. Every bloody time.

Makes a 20 minute trip into an hour plus. Shits me so much. Last time I went to a game at Bankwest, to replace my train to Liverpool, I had to get a train from Parramatta to Strathfield, then train from Strathfield to Fairfield. Then bus from Fairfield to Cabramatta, then back on the train for Cabra to Liverpool.

I got to the station around 10.30. The next train terminated at Blacktown ( so was the Penrith train ) instead of being home just after 11. Was after 12.

How many weeks of that until someone just decides not worth going?
 

gallagher

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Also. You are from Perth & don't try to hide your love of everything AFL so it's no surprise you just DONT GET tribalism in RL
Especially in SYD .
That is all
There endeth your lesson for today .
Souths moved from Redfern to Homebush with ease. Dogs from belmore. The small thinkers at Ashfield will eventually kill off the tigers as they killed off the magpies.
 
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hopefully the NRL do the right thing then & schedule as many Penrith home games at Parramatta in 2023 for saturdays & sundays making it easier to get to games.

Unfortunately , Penrith will still be a leading team in the comp then & Ch 9 will insist on plenty of Thursday & Friday nights for them.
 

T-Boon

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Souths moved from Redfern to Homebush with ease. Dogs from belmore. The small thinkers at Ashfield will eventually kill off the tigers as they killed off the magpies.
Certain Sydney teams like souths, Parra probably dragons have strong support right across the city and can drag good crowds most places. But clubs like Penrith and cronulla will struggle is they move 15 minutes from their little suburb because that is where all their fans are. They have no wider appeal.
 

Perth Red

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Lol as YS stated ...it's not their ground so other teams will not get good crowds .
It's not hard to understand ...lol well I am explaining it to you .
Anz isnt Bulldogs home they just play there (and its sht), Tigers are nomads and have no real home. At least if both played full time at WSS they could make it home and get their fans into the habit of going to games in a state of the art fit for purpose stadium that has entertainment options near by.
tribalism my arse, have you seen the crowds these clubs are getting?
 

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