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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

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Bet a petition to get Peter Fitz to pull his bandana'd head out of his arse would get more than 100k signatures too

It’s pretty amazing how hard he’s going on this. Must’ve got a lot of clicks on the SMH site.

It’s really hard though to measure the support for the project, and on top of that the people involved have done a terrible job of selling it.

Why haven’t the clubs involved been emailing their members to explain its importance? Organise for them to contact the premier.

Politicians, particularly in the current climate are prone to panic, they need the reassurance that there’s support out there.
 

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It’s pretty amazing how hard he’s going on this. Must’ve got a lot of clicks on the SMH site.

It’s really hard though to measure the support for the project, and on top of that the people involved have done a terrible job of selling it.

Why haven’t the clubs involved been emailing their members to explain its importance? Organise for them to contact the premier.

Politicians, particularly in the current climate are prone to panic, they need the reassurance that there’s support out there.
by xmas all the keyboard warriors will have forgotten about it and moved onto their next great injustice, like rallying against woolies for selling politically incorrect fruit cakes that say "Merry Xmas" instead of something more 'inclusive' like "happy holidays". I bet they all feel so proud that they took the 10secs to sign a petition just because its trending...
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...inding-stadia-investment-20171207-h00on0.html

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman John Grant warns of dangers of rescinding stadia investment
ARLC chairman John Grant claims threats to rescind the multi-billion injections into stadia rebuilds would cause "massive damage" and result in sporting investment leaving the harbour city.

The NSW Government has come under fire for committing $2.5 billion towards the knockdown and rebuilding of Allianz and ANZ stadiums. The opposition has slammed the move and vowed to scale back the investment if voted into office.

A petition on change.org calling for NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian to overturn the decision had gained almost 135,000 signatures at the time of writing.

The NRL is the big winner in the investment into the Moore Park and Homebush Bay precincts. The governing body has granted NSW 25 years of grand finals in return for the funding, thwarting Queensland's attempts to pinch the marquee event.

"It's a brave decision, it's great for rugby league and I think it's the right decision," Grant said.

"There are going to be people with different points of view and that's what we're seeing.

"There are competing forces for the allocation of funds. In this particular situation, the government has decided this is the way it will use its funds and we think it's a really good investment.

"You can debate how funds are going to be allocated, but at the end of the day you're trying to achieve multiple objectives in allocating the appropriate funding for education, the right funding for schools and health, etc and getting the appropriate funds to attract investment.

"I think the balance is right, irrespective of the benefit to rugby league.

"The government is to be commended for making the right broad-based decision."

The money spent on the rebuild of Sydney's stadia network is more than half the entire cost of venue construction for the 2000 Olympics. Labor leader Luke Foley has described the $2.5 billion spent on the city's stadia infrastructure as "obscene" and believes much of the money could be better spent on schools and hospitals. If Labor wins power, he will redirect a large chunk of the funding into those areas.

"If that were to happen, it would cause massive damage to the goodwill that's been created by people who look at the city and see what people in the state are doing," Grant said.

"That would be a very big decision for an opposition that got into government to make. It's convenient for them with a political view now. The reality of damaging the goodwill created by people who want to invest in this city, that's a big play.

"It's a much bigger play than just getting football fields for rugby league elite competitions to be played on.

"One of the things that's in the minds of decision makers for the government is to attain Sydney's No.1 position as a destination and to attract investment. The secret to everyone being better off is to create investment.

"These to me are an investment, getting money coming into the city. That's a very big deal that manifests in a lot of ways. We'll all be better off if we can attract that.

"To not make this decision is quite significant because you would lose a lot of the ability to attract long-term investment."

The NRL grand final will again be up for grabs if the ANZ and Allianz stadiums don't get the funding required to rebuild them from scratch.

"Ultimately, the job of the Australian Rugby League Commission and the NRL is to maximise revenues to the game," Grant said.

"We need to maximise distributions to stakeholders. We will play within the environment that we're given and if we're given an environment where this game and other rectangular sports have to stay with current stadia which don't stack up, we'll have to look at our options. No doubt about that at all."
 

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TBF he must feel awfully inadequate in his relationship, she earns millions and is a household name, he is former rah rah who has to write & commentate on rugby league for a living because no one gives a shit about yawnion, and wear a ridiculous hanky on his bald head so people can recognise him as 'that wanker with the red hanky'.
 
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An actual well thought out position from John Grant, wow.

Good idea to heap pressure back on labor. Could do with Peter Beattie doing similar.
 

Suitman

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Has Greenburg made any comments since the announcement?


Well, he needs to be more forceful.
And he needs to get that f**king douche bag Gallop on board, and also the Rugby bloke whoever that is, and the three of them need to take a stand.
If the three sports who are going to be the major beneficiaries of these upgrades cannot pull together and turn back the Bandana wave, then, there's a fair chance these proposals will die in the arse because once again, a silent majority have made their voices heard, while the un-vocal majority, sit on their f**king arses and watch it die.
 

Vee

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by xmas all the keyboard warriors will have forgotten about it and moved onto their next great injustice, like rallying against woolies for selling politically incorrect fruit cakes that say "Merry Xmas" instead of something more 'inclusive' like "happy holidays". I bet they all feel so proud that they took the 10secs to sign a petition just because its trending...
Slacktivists, clicktavists.
 

Dogs Of War

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-08/do-sydneys-football-clubs-deserve-new-stadiums/9236582

Sydney stadium development sparks debate over costs, but do the leagues and clubs even deserve them?
By Offsiders columnist Richard Hinds
Updated about an hour ago

PHOTO: The redeveloped Stadium Australia certainly looks an improvement. (Supplied: NSW Government)
RELATED STORY: The demolition and redesign of Sydney's Olympic Stadium explained
MAP: Sydney 2000 PHOTO: The redevelopment overall is predicted to cost around $2.5 billion. (Supplied: NSW Government)


Do you think Sydney football clubs deserve new stadiums? Join the discussion below.


The SCG Trust is mistrusted and the Sydney Olympic Park Authority lacks authority. Meanwhile sports not only fight each other but also among themselves because clubs have opposing interests. The outcome — lots of grandstanding but few new grandstands.

Then there was ingrained resistance of the Sydney public. The self-defeating arguments that Sydney has "unique geographical problems", "rugby league is a TV game", "we've got better things to do" and "we love our suburban grounds — although we don't actually go to them".

It was this can't-do attitude, even more than the governmental dithering and petty squabbling between stadium operators that surprised me when I dared suggest Sydney fans deserved better stadiums.

Back then, however, I assumed the various codes would unlock their potential or heighten demand and crowds would increase. Just as — Sydney sports fans will hate to hear — the AFL had done when it moved from relatively poorly populated suburban venues to impressive new or refurbished stadiums.

There is compelling evidence that better stadiums help improve attendances. But even as the NSW Government ticks every box on the stadium wish list, it is hard to make a case that the three codes that would benefit from redevelopment have done enough to grow their games and, in turn, justify such extravagant expenditure.

The historic bungling by Sydney's three rectangular codes is exemplified by how the AFL's savvy lobbyists snatched the lion's share of stadium funding from under their noses. The NRL, FFA and ARU, or their predecessors, stood by as the southern interlopers occupied the Olympic Stadium, won funding for the redevelopment of the SCG and built Blacktown Olympic Park (subsequently abandoned) and the Showgrounds Stadium.

PHOTO: Empty seats tend to outnumber fans at Sydney's bigger stadiums. (AAP: Craig Golding)


All while NRL clubs were getting meagre grants to put another lick of paint on crumbling suburban fortresses attended by relatively meagre crowds.

The NRL has made some attempts to take its sport beyond its hard-core constituency and grow the game. Membership models have improved somewhat and some blockbuster games have been initiated.

Yet rugby league won't cut the cord with the self-interested club war lords, muck-raking media crisis merchants and underworld figures who cast a pall over a brilliant game now played close to its optimal level. A game with big stadium potential is thus geniused by its small-minded suburban past.

After a promising start, the A-League has stagnated, even as the standard of the games improve. The Western Sydney Wanderers' belated inclusion and inevitable popularity made the case for a new Parramatta Stadium compelling. But the current lack of momentum invites scepticism Sydney FC would fill a flexible new SFS in "championship", "club" or even "wet day against the Wellington Phoenix" mode.

PHOTO: The redevelopment is planned to be completed by 2021. (Supplied: NSW Government)


Rugby? You can understand why former Wallaby Peter FitzSimons initiated an anti-stadiums petition that has more than 120,000 signatories. To a Waratahs fan, investing in anything more than a new shoe box to accommodate dwindling crowds would seem an indulgence.

FitzSimons has pushed predictable populist buttons by suggesting $2.5 billion would be better spent on hospitals, schools and other infrastructure. The argument is valid, perhaps even inarguable, although I suspect it would not seem so compelling had stadium building commenced earlier and expenditure been spread over many years.

Instead the one fat, seemingly extravagant $2.5 billion price tag is an easy target for those who believe Sydney had its chance to get better stadiums when it built new venues at Moore Park and Parramatta and won the Sydney Olympics and blew it. No do-overs!

The irony is that Sydneysiders have long been ridiculed for their fickle sporting allegiance. Now some are passionate about a sporting cause — they are determined to ensure their city does not have better stadiums.

Meanwhile thousands nestle into comfortable seats with superb sightlines at Adelaide Oval, the MCG, Lang Park and, soon, the new Perth Stadium and enjoy the game.


I wasn't expecting Richard Hinds to talk common sense, but he has
 

titoelcolombiano

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Is Richard kind of missing the point though? This was always about retaining and attracting big events, not for regular clubs games. The investment is designed to keep the NRL grand final in Sydney and attract more big Wallabies tests, more big Socceroos internationals, more international Football mega-clubs, more concerts, more NFL games etc.
 

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