The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[titoelcolombiano]

"Actual" home is such a bogus concept. Where exactly do you draw the line?

Shouldnt Souths be heading back to their ACTUAL home in Redfern? And WTs can go back to their ACTUAL homes in Wentworth Park and Birchgrove.

Maybe the Broncos should go back to their ACTUAL home at QE2. Is that place even still standing?

Yes, it's still standing but their home has always been at Red Hill and their original home ground was Suncorp (Lang Park).

I see your point on home grounds though. Long gone are the days where you will follow a team simply because you live in that suburb. People move regularly to different parts of cities these days and follow teams for many other reason than geography so it's not too important where they play in most cases, as Souths have shown. As long as the bulk of your supporter base can reasonably get to your games.

 

[juro]

So to many rugby league fans it will still be seen as Parranatta’s home ground. Reasons
a) it’s the site of Parramatta’s home ground for decades
b) it’s the site of Parramatta Leagues club
c) it’s in Parramatta

Homebush is neutral territory.
Parramatta may be a new, multi tenanted ground. But it’s Parramatta Eel territory in rugby league and it will take awhile to change that notion, if ever.

If the government offered to build a new stadium on the shark park site, do you think the Dragons would play there, or would they consider that Shark territory, given its on the site of shark park, it’s next to Sharks leagues club, and it’s in cronulla?

If the dragons would view a “Southern Sydney stadium” on that site as cronulla territory, what makes you think the bulldogs, tigers and panthers are going to suddenly think this Western Sydney Stadium is neutral?

It’s not.

As a Wests Tigers fan, I can't wait to play home games at WSS. I don't give a toss that it's in Parramatta. I just want to have the best viewing experience I can get.

 

[adamkungl]

I just think with Campbelltown you either need to be all in or you’re wasting time. To me they’ll never embrace the team with only a few matches, maybe if they were still the magpies but they’re essentially being asked to embrace another identity with just scraps thrown at them.

Be similar to expecting the centra coast to embrace Manly whilst still being based on the northern beaches.

Fair call. But Wests have a lot more history with Campbeltown than Manly do with the Coast.

"Actual" home is such a bogus concept. Where exactly do you draw the line?

It's a pretty straightforward concept for sane people. They're called South Sydney but don't play anywhere near anything that has ever been known as South Sydney.

I don’t think I made my point well.
Maybe Wests should play games at Parra. But it is FAR from perfect for them. Perfect would be a new stadium at Liverpool. Close to perfect would be a new stadium at Campbelltown. They should be the team representing South West Sydney.

Parramatta is far far far from perfect. It is maybe the best of serveral bad options

This is based on the premise that Tigers main base is Campbeltown, or that they SHOULD be the team of the south-west, both of which are tenuous at best, completely ignoring the Balmain/Inner-West side of it at worst.

My view of the Tigers (and their fans might well disagree on all of this) is that they are spread too thin attempting to rep Leichhardt, Campbeltown, and still take big games to ANZ and others to the country and NZ and wherever else.
They need a real home. It's time to cut loose from the old Balmain and Magpies identities and look to the future. They can be a team for all of Western Sydney, and Parra is the cultural centre of Western Sydney. That's why it's perfect.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

As a Wests Tigers fan, I can't wait to play home games at WSS. I don't give a toss that it's in Parramatta. I just want to have the best viewing experience I can get.

Is there any arrangement between the various clubs that will have WSS as a home ground base to have training sessions there regularly? To build a real home ground base and advantage against opposing teams, it's ideal for the players and coaches to have a real familiarity with the place and for it to feel like a home ground.

 

[axl rose]

Maybe the Broncos should go back to their ACTUAL home at QE2. Is that place even still standing?

I like it. Broncos back to thier hole at QE2. Crushers back in and to Suncorp. Garrick Morgan to captain-coach.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Fair call. But Wests have a lot more history with Campbeltown than Manly do with the Coast.

It's a pretty straightforward concept for sane people. They're called South Sydney but don't play anywhere near anything that has ever been known as South Sydney.



This is based on the premise that Tigers main base is Campbeltown, or that they SHOULD be the team of the south-west, both of which are tenuous at best, completely ignoring the Balmain/Inner-West side of it at worst.

My view of the Tigers (and their fans might well disagree on all of this) is that they are spread too thin attempting to rep Leichhardt, Campbeltown, and still take big games to ANZ and others to the country and NZ and wherever else.
They need a real home. It's time to cut loose from the old Balmain and Magpies identities and look to the future. They can be a team for all of Western Sydney, and Parra is the cultural centre of Western Sydney. That's why it's perfect.

Western Sydney Tigers playing at Western Sydney Stadium sounds good to me

 

[siv]

WSS makes no sense for the Tigers.

Campbelltown to Parramatta - 50km

By contrast everyone agrees Allianz won’t work for Manly.

Brookvale to Moore Park - 19km

Yet 80km to Gosford works for Manly ????

 

[siv]

I agree, Liverpool would definitely be the best.

I’m really not sold on Campbelltown though, the population is difficult to win over being a new area, most people that move there already have another team.

Liverpool would bridge the gap between the inner city fans & the Campbelltown fans, but Campbelltown completely leaves the inner city fans out in the cold. And I think there’s more fans there than Campbelltown.

Given Liverpool is long odds, WSS is the place to be. They can sell themselves as the western Sydney team, not just a team of a particular area.

But Liverpool is basically Bulldogs territory. They would be the natural extension to the SW suburbs

Where does that leave Wests-Tigers ? Basically as a Ashfield-Leichhardt inner-west city team

 

[herbert henry1908]

But Liverpool is basically Bulldogs territory. They would be the natural extension to the SW suburbs

Where does that leave Wests-Tigers ? Basically as a Ashfield-Leichhardt inner-west city team

I think Liverpool could work for both the tigers & dogs.

But if not I think the tigers could basically become the western suburbs “at large” club. Basically represent everyone from inner west, north west & south west. Tigers brand really resonates with kids, wouldn’t be hard to become the team of the west.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...d/news-story/f291f8726c69e214663c11aa7910ab9c

Stadium work must begin by year’s end

• The Australian
• 12:00AM June 6, 2018
• Andrew Clennell
  

The memorandum of understanding between the National Rugby League, the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust, ANZ Stadium bosses and the NSW government to agree to having two stadiums rebuilt at a cost of more than $1.6 billion is contingent on work starting on knocking down Allianz Stadium by the end of this year.

Papers tabled in the NSW upper house yesterday included the infamous MOU that Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Sports Minister Stuart Ayres signed off on in November last year — which cabinet hadn’t seen — to rebuild both ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium.

The papers say that: “ARLC (Australian Rugby League Commission) must satisfy the Content Commitment during the Term, subject to the satisfaction of the following requirements: 1) On-site works at the Sydney Football Stadium have commenced by 31 December 2018 and the Government progresses on-site works with a view to the new stadium being open for use for 2021 NRL Finals Series matches” and that: “On-site works at Stadium Australia have commenced by 31 December 2019 and the Government progresses works with a view to the new stadium being open by 30 April 2023 for use for the 2023 State of Origin (and if possible for the 2022 NRL Grand Final)”.

The Sydney Football Stadium deadline could become a point of contention because government officials have warned that planning permission for the knockdown of that stadium might not be able to be approved until early next year — on the eve of the state election. The papers also show the cost asked of former premier Mike Baird by the Australian Rugby Union in 2016 in return for the code tolerating the stadiums rebuild.

Despite the argument that new stadiums would of themselves generate content, the ARU was also asking for $3.5m from the state government for each Bledisloe Cup Test match and June series test played in Sydney and $5m per Test match and $2.5m per tour match for the British and Irish Lions tour of 2025. The papers also show that one official, Tracy Southern, the manager of major projects for the office of sport, was required to sign a statutory declaration denying that she had leaked an executive summary of the KPMG strategic business case to The Daily Telegraph.

A spokeswoman for Mr Ayres said last night the NRL had made clear its intention to honour the MOU and there had been no change to existing agreements with the ARU, now Rugby Australia.

 

[TheRam]

I know he is English born, but I'm pretty sure Gareth Widdop came through the Victorian local league and through the Storm juniors

No he came out to Australia from England at age 16 and was already a Rugby player. May as well have been a Maori/Islander.
He did come through their junior teams yes, but he is hardly a true convert from Victoria. May as well have grabbed a QLDer and claim he is as Victorian junior.

I am talking about players that have no affinity to RL due to their background and the and the Victorian junior clubs, then the Storm brought through the junior system and into the NRL.

ZERO!

 

[ek999]

Mahe Fonua

 

[beave]

Mahe Fonua

Polynesian.

Doesn’t count in the crazy world of TheRam....

 

[titoelcolombiano]

No he came out to Australia from England at age 16 and was already a Rugby player. May as well have been a Maori/Islander.
He did come through their junior teams yes, but he is hardly a true convert from Victoria. May as well have grabbed a QLDer and claim he is as Victorian junior.

I am talking about players that have no affinity to RL due to their background and the and the Victorian junior clubs, then the Storm brought through the junior system and into the NRL.

ZERO!

No he came out to Australia from England at age 16 and was already a Rugby player. May as well have been a Maori/Islander.
He did come through their junior teams yes, but he is hardly a true convert from Victoria. May as well have grabbed a QLDer and claim he is as Victorian junior.

I am talking about players that have no affinity to RL due to their background and the and the Victorian junior clubs, then the Storm brought through the junior system and into the NRL.

ZERO!

Good points - I guess we just have to give the Storm time - the Victorian RL has state sides playing in NSW comps and the domestic scene continues to grow so hopefully we see results soon.

I don't discount the polynesian players though because many are Australian born and will continue to be a major source of players for the game in all states into the future.

 

[adamkungl]

I think Liverpool could work for both the tigers & dogs.

But if not I think the tigers could basically become the western suburbs “at large” club. Basically represent everyone from inner west, north west & south west. Tigers brand really resonates with kids, wouldn’t be hard to become the team of the west.

If you've ever been to a pub in the north-west/hills area, there's as many Tigers fans as Parra fans.
There is huge potential for them to become an all-West team (as their name implies) rather than focusing solely on the niches of Balmain and Campbeltown.

 

[Marlins]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...d/news-story/f291f8726c69e214663c11aa7910ab9c

Stadium work must begin by year’s end

• The Australian
• 12:00AM June 6, 2018
• Andrew Clennell

The memorandum of understanding between the National Rugby League, the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust, ANZ Stadium bosses and the NSW government to agree to having two stadiums rebuilt at a cost of more than $1.6 billion is contingent on work starting on knocking down Allianz Stadium by the end of this year.

Papers tabled in the NSW upper house yesterday included the infamous MOU that Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Sports Minister Stuart Ayres signed off on in November last year — which cabinet hadn’t seen — to rebuild both ANZ Stadium and Allianz Stadium.

The papers say that: “ARLC (Australian Rugby League Commission) must satisfy the Content Commitment during the Term, subject to the satisfaction of the following requirements: 1) On-site works at the Sydney Football Stadium have commenced by 31 December 2018 and the Government progresses on-site works with a view to the new stadium being open for use for 2021 NRL Finals Series matches” and that: “On-site works at Stadium Australia have commenced by 31 December 2019 and the Government progresses works with a view to the new stadium being open by 30 April 2023 for use for the 2023 State of Origin (and if possible for the 2022 NRL Grand Final)”.

The Sydney Football Stadium deadline could become a point of contention because government officials have warned that planning permission for the knockdown of that stadium might not be able to be approved until early next year — on the eve of the state election. The papers also show the cost asked of former premier Mike Baird by the Australian Rugby Union in 2016 in return for the code tolerating the stadiums rebuild.

Despite the argument that new stadiums would of themselves generate content, the ARU was also asking for $3.5m from the state government for each Bledisloe Cup Test match and June series test played in Sydney and $5m per Test match and $2.5m per tour match for the British and Irish Lions tour of 2025. The papers also show that one official, Tracy Southern, the manager of major projects for the office of sport, was required to sign a statutory declaration denying that she had leaked an executive summary of the KPMG strategic business case to The Daily Telegraph.

A spokeswoman for Mr Ayres said last night the NRL had made clear its intention to honour the MOU and there had been no change to existing agreements with the ARU, now Rugby Australia.

So is Anz getting the full treatment along with SFS?

 

[T-Boon]

I don't discount the polynesian players though because many are Australian born and will continue to be a major source of players for the game in all states into the future.

not to mention that if you discount the polynesians then is any club in the NRL producing juniors?

 

[El Diablo]

May as well have been a Maori/Islander.

racist f**kwit

 

[herbert henry1908]

So is Anz getting the full treatment along with SFS?

Full treatment? No.

Upper decks will remain as is, lower decks will be rebuilt and moved in towards the field on all sides.

Not exactly sure where the cut off of the rebuild will happen yet, no solid plans available.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.titans.com.au/news/2018/06/08/titans-confirm-cbus-super-stadium-as-home/

Titans confirm Cbus Super Stadium as home

Fri 8 Jun 2018, 05:54 AM

The TFH Gold Coast Titans are pleased to confirm an agreement has been reached with Stadiums Queensland for the club to remain at Cbus Super Stadium as its NRL Telstra Premiership home venue.

The club today confirmed a five-year agreement (inclusive of options) that will see the club play a minimum of 10 home games at Cbus Super Stadium each year through until the end of 2022.

The agreement follows a determined effort by both parties over recent weeks to resolve the matter once and for all, to provide certainty for our players, members, and commercial partners. Following recent public speculation, and a number of high-level meetings conducted with goodwill and an intent to find a resolution, both parties have compromised to get the deal done.

The Titans would like to thank Stadiums Queensland and Minister for Sport, Mick de Brenni MP, for the cooperation and resolve shown to put an end to the speculation surrounding the future of the club's tenure at Cbus Super Stadium.

CEO Graham Annesley is both pleased and relieved that an agreement has been reached.

"This has been an extremely complex and difficult matter to resolve, and even though I'm sure it's not an ideal outcome for either party, it's great to now be in a position to get on with our primary objective of improving the club both on and off the field without having to deal with constant speculation about the future of our stadium arrangements," Annesley said.

Head Coach Garth Brennan is happy the people of the Gold Coast will get to see their team in action at our traditional home venue.

"This is a win for the members and fans. Everyone involved in the negotiations on both sides should be commended for their tireless efforts in delivering the best possible outcome for the club, members and fans," Brennan said.

"We want Cbus Super Stadium to become a fortress that other clubs fear, and now that it's been confirmed as our long-term home, it's up to us to ensure it becomes just that through our performances every time we take the field," Brennan concluded.

The new agreement comes into effect immediately commencing with the Titans Round 14 game against the Rabbitohs.