The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[TheFrog]

You talk as though it has only just been announced.

Winning elections in NSW makes you the Government for 4 years. That 4 years expires in 3 months. You tear it down now you will have a hole in the ground one kilometre from Central station until such time as Allan Jones and his buds can find a billion or so, a testimony to pig-headedness.

I think Daley is underestimating how upset people will be if this ends up costing Sydney the Grand Final.

A comfortable majority oppose the stadium rebuild, if polls can be believed. If the GF is moved, it will be the decision of the NRL, not the Government. You cannot cave in to blackmail. This is now an election issue. The election is in March.

 

[LineBall]

The bigger question for the political parties is

Is the stadium rebuild going to change your vote.

I think most people thinks its not an important issue.

I wonder about this too. In the media it seems to be the only thing the election is being fought on - Vote Labor if against Stadiums, Vote Liberal if you want them. Is this really the only major difference between the two parties?

 

[herbert henry1908]

Not only that, but his government refused to meet CA and ICC hosting demands for the 2015 Cricket World Cup, and he kept parroting lines about the Gabba being a world class venue that spoke for itself and Queensland shouldn't have to bid for premium content. Queensland ended up with three of the shittest matches in the tournament and none from the knock-out stage, and Queensland cricket fans were rightly pissed off.

I think Daley is underestimating how upset people will be if this ends up costing Sydney the Grand Final.

Cricket crowds have been poor in Queensland for some time now.

 

[Angry_eel]

The bigger question for the political parties is

Is the stadium rebuild going to change your vote.

I think most people thinks its not an important issue.

I think if the NRL fans have to make anyone the enemy, it must be fitzsimmons. This wouldn't be anywhere near as big an issue if News and Fitz didn't print papers about hospitals and schools.

 

[herbert henry1908]

A comfortable majority oppose the stadium rebuild, if polls can be believed. If the GF is moved, it will be the decision of the NRL, not the Government. You cannot cave in to blackmail. This is now an election issue. The election is in March.

There’s no way it can be considered blackmail when there’s an agreement in place.

The deal isn’t with the NSW liberal party, it’s with the NSW govt. if the NSW govt doesn’t honour the deal, the GF can be moved.

 

[TheFrog]

There’s no way it can be considered blackmail when there’s an agreement in place.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

Greenberg seems like a smart enough fellow. He would know when the NSW election is, and he would know that this stadium issue is highly contentious. Like Gladys, he thought the Libs would shit it in, but that now doesn't look so certain, which is why he is issuing threats.

 

[LineBall]

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

Greenberg seems like a smart enough fellow. He would know when the NSW election is, and he would know that this stadium issue is highly contentious. Like Gladys, he thought the Libs would shit it in, but that now doesn't look so certain, which is why he is issuing threats.

Sorry, but hasn't the NRL made it clear that it would look elsewhere for the Grand Final for years now, hence the agreement between the NSW Govt and the NRL regarding keeping the Grand Final in Sydney with the new stadium agreement. Now that a new Government is possible, and they are going to renege on the original agreement, why can't he publicly state what the NRL's position has always been? In my mind all he is doing is making sure all parties are aware of what the consequences would be if the current agreement is abandoned.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The GF in Brisbane would sell-out no matter who was playing - it is a joke to suggest otherwise. The following clubs other than the Broncos have huge support in Brisbane:

Warriors
Storm
Cowboys
St George Illawarra
Canberra
Eels
Dogs


Plus the bulk of the Titans fan-base is an hour down the highway. Are we also going to pretend that if two Sydney clubs made the GF that a fair chunk of fands wouldn't make the trip north? They certainly would.

It would also sell-out, or at least be 90k+ in Melbourne without a doubt, for different reasons. The GF is an event and Victorians love events. They would take pride in outdrawing Sydney for an NRL GF and there would also be significant travelling fans.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

They’re not spending billions on the NRL.

The govt retain ownership of these stadiums, they’re spending billions on stadiums that multiple sporting bodies & promoters will pay money to rent.

The NRL would make more money for themselves by directly selling their premium assets to the highest bidding city.

Great post! These facts are often forgotten by the general public

 

[herbert henry1908]

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

Greenberg seems like a smart enough fellow. He would know when the NSW election is, and he would know that this stadium issue is highly contentious. Like Gladys, he thought the Libs would shit it in, but that now doesn't look so certain, which is why he is issuing threats.

I don’t think you understand the history of this thing.

5 years ago the NRL gave the trust $750,000 to come up with plans for a new stadium.

Since then the NRL has signed 2 deals, one of which was already broken by the govt.

It’s not blackmail to say, if you don’t honour the deal, we won’t honour our end. That’s totally normal.

 

[TheFrog]

I don’t think you understand the history of this thing.

5 years ago the NRL gave the trust $750,000 to come up with plans for a new stadium.

Since then the NRL has signed 2 deals, one of which was already broken by the govt.

It’s not blackmail to say, if you don’t honour the deal, we won’t honour our end. That’s totally normal.

I don't really care if the Grand Final goes to Melbourne. I doubt it will go to Brisbane, their stadium holds 30,000 less. The game would be a laughing stock, and would seek to blame others, but that's their problem.

I notice Berijiklian has gone from $1.30 when Daley took over to $1.70 now.

 

[LineBall]

I don't really care if the Grand Final goes to Melbourne. I doubt it will go to Brisbane, their stadium holds 30,000 less. The game would be a laughing stock, and would seek to blame others, but that's their problem.

I notice Berijiklian has gone from $1.30 when Daley took over to $1.70 now.

Why would it be a laughing stock? If the NRL has Melbourne and Brisbane bidding for the game, I'm sure they could come to some figure that would give them the same financial gain as a sold out ANZ stadium.

 

[Captain Apollo]

This mess goes back to the plans post Olympics for what is now known as ANZ Stadium. post Olympics, it was supposed to become a rectangular stadium. However the AFL kicked in a few bucks and persuaded then then Labor Government to keep it as multi-configurable. So now the biggest stadium in NSW is not used at all by AFL and is not great for those codes which use a rectangular stadium, who use it the most.

That is why the original stadium deal was for ANZ to be done first, with any left over money spent on the SFS. This is where the SCG Trust and Stuart Ayres screwed the NRL and other sports over by getting the Government to change this arrangement.

On a side note, no matter how much was spent on its construction, Stadiums do not last forever without funds being spent on their maintenance and upkeep.

 

[beave]

Winning elections in NSW makes you the Government for 4 years. That 4 years expires in 3 months. You tear it down now you will have a hole in the ground one kilometre from Central station until such time as Allan Jones and his buds can find a billion or so, a testimony to pig-headedness.



A comfortable majority oppose the stadium rebuild, if polls can be believed. If the GF is moved, it will be the decision of the NRL, not the Government. You cannot cave in to blackmail. This is now an election issue. The election is in March.

how is it blackmail? They both agreed to the stadium deal, but one side that is potentially going to take over gov is threatening to break that deal. The NRL is well within it’s rights to warn Labor the GF is moving. And there’s is nothing wrong with playing at a 52k suncorp, I f**king guarantee you they will make more money than at ANZ. they won’t have to give tickets away on large numbers or have flash sales like they’ve had to in the past.

 

[Angry_eel]

On a side note, no matter how much was spent on its construction, Stadiums do not last forever without funds being spent on their maintenance and upkeep.

Weird thing is that it almost sounds like Labor is saving money while Liberals are wasting money when the rhetoric in Australia is usually the opposite.

Everyone forgot how NSW is in surplus, NSW Liberals have done alright with the state.

 

[beave]

half the workers have walked off the job today at the NQ stadium over pay.

https://outline.com/DTNpby

There’s been no reported issues up there until the CFMEU put some reps on-site a month ago....... read of that what you will.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/c...t/news-story/fb10e6da93122c5ee7e831ca7318c0fc

Channel 9 takes dramatic step of playing favourites in NRL stadium war


news.com.au
December 3, 20182:20pm

The hits keep coming for NSW opposition leader Michael Daley after Channel 9 took the dramatic step of taking a public stance on the raging Sydney stadium debate.

After a turbulent week in which Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) chairman Peter Beattie threatened to sell the NRL grand final to a rival state, Daley’s counter-proposal to the NSW Government’s $1.5 billion stadium strategy came under fire again on Monday when Nine came out swinging in favour of Premier Gladys Berejiklian’s plan to re-build Allianz Stadium and upgrade ANZ Stadium.

It comes after Daley announced recently Labor will scrap the Government’s stadium plans if elected on March 23.

However, Allianz Stadium’s $730 million re-build in association with the SCG Trust is scheduled to commence before NSW goes to the polls.

Daley’s declarations means the NSW Government will have violated the existing Memorandum of Understanding between the NRL and the NSW Government for the NRL grand final to be played in Sydney for the next 25 years.

Daley has since denied Labor’s move would jeopardise the NRL grand final’s future in Sydney, despite Beattie last week reportedly meeting with Queensland Tourism Minister Kate Jones to discuss hosting future NRL grand finals in Brisbane.

High profile SCG Trust member Alan Jones last week accused Daley of “breathtaking ignorance”.

NSW Rugby chief executive Andrew Hore also criticised Daley’s failure to communicate his plans to key NSW stadium stakeholders, including the NSW Waratahs.

Now Nine has joined in.

“Sydney is a world class city that needs world class stadia,” Nine CEO Hugh Marks said in a statement.

“The NRL is NSW’s premier sporting competition and needs modern facilities to continue to grow and thrive. Parramatta and the Greater West will be well catered for with the new Western Sydney Stadium to open early next year.

“Central Sydney also requires the same level of modern well equipped facilities to service the North, South and East of Sydney. Nine wants to showcase NRL as a great national sport and we can only do this with the best stadia as the setting.”

Daley responded to the widespread public criticism by declaring he won’t be “bullied or intimidated by the NRL”.

“If Todd Greenberg and his mates decide to take the Grand Final out of Sydney then it is on him,” Daley told Fairfax Media.

“They are going to have to explain to their loyal NSW fans why they are taking the game out of the state.”

Beattie has since insisted it is no empty threat that the NRL will move the season’s September finale interstate.

“Of course we are serious when we say we will take the game elsewhere,” Beattie told The Daily Telegraph.

“Kate Jones asked me if this was a genuine option and I said it was.

“We have to do what’s best for the game and the fans. And we will do that”.

 

[beave]

good. It would be nice for the FFA to come out and actually say something as well.


oh that’s right

 

[Coparugby]

The uncertainty sucks and it’d be great to have decent stadiums in Sydney, however, moving the GF around could be a blessing in disguise. It could become Australia’s game and be marketed that way. The AFL GF will never leave Victoria.

 

[beave]

The uncertainty sucks and it’d be great to have decent stadiums in Sydney, however, moving the GF around could be a blessing in disguise. It could become Australia’s game and be marketed that way. The AFL GF will never leave Victoria.

i wish Victorian’s would never leave Victoria.......