The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Iamback]

Panthers sold that land ?

shoulders done it themselves

but the land the lc is on is still worth loads

No they own it just leased it to developers, It was done to pay for the Academy. So money well spent

 

[Wb1234]

No they own it just leased it to developers, It was done to pay for the Academy. So money well spent

Assuming it’s 1k units the profit would’ve been 500 million to a billion. Like Cronulla clubs are giving up massive profits

 

[Iamback]

Assuming it’s 1k units the profit would’ve been 500 million to a billion. Like Cronulla clubs are giving up massive profits

It is about that, Long term it is better like so many things that can go wrong in building development

 

[Colk]

Unfortunately, the pleasure of watching cricket in Australia has been ruined by generic multi-purpose stadiums offering little in terms of variety now. Perth Stadium has the exact same dimensions as the MCG for football, and little uniqueness that the WACA has such as the Fremantle doctor. Even the SCG has lost its slowness. Adelaide had the short square boundaries. Now they're all enclosed venues which tend to play the same.

English cricket venues all retain their charm.

The problem with Australian cricket is drop in wickets (thanks fumbleball) which means that there are so unique wicket conditions

 

[Perth Red]

Its such a great stadium! Honestly, I reckon its at about capacity.
If you look at this picture, you'll see the roads on two side. There is also a road not too far away on the southern side.

As an Adelaide boy, if we get a team back...it's got to be at this stadium and not Adelaide Oval...that place doesn't have any atmosphere for a rectangle sport event without a big crowd.

Looks like theres room to enclose the bottom stand corners in for more seats then wrap a roof around to meet the two side roofs to give you a NQ style stadium. That would be awesome for NRL. Does look like it lacks corporate facilities?

 

[big hit!]

The problem with Australian cricket is drop in wickets (thanks fumbleball) which means that there are so unique wicket conditions

SCG and Gabba retain the pitch during football season, but yes that's another issue in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide.

The points I raised are valid too. Wind conditions, ground dimensions all needed to be taken into account when playing at a venue. Lords has a 6 metre slope from one side of the ground to the other! The major Oz venues are now mostly 40k and above footy stadiums with some cricket played in them in summer.

The USA went through a multipurpose football/baseball stadium phase in the 70-80s. They've gone back to the traditional baseball park now. That will never happen in Australia unfortunately.

 

[Colk]

SCG and Gabba retain the pitch during football season, but yes that's another issue in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide.

The points I raised are valid too. Wind conditions, ground dimensions all needed to be taken into account when playing at a venue. Lords has a 6 metre slope from one side of the ground to the other! The major Oz venues are now mostly 40k and above footy stadiums with some cricket played in them in summer.

The USA went through a multipurpose football/baseball stadium phase in the 70-80s. They've gone back to the traditional baseball park now. That will never happen in Australia unfortunately.

Well England are lucky because they don’t have another oval sport so there is no external influence to push them to change ground dimensions. Most of the problems that you have identified is due to fumbleball’s influence (particularly in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth)

 

[Timbo]

Its such a great stadium! Honestly, I reckon its at about capacity.
If you look at this picture, you'll see the roads on two side. There is also a road not too far away on the southern side.

As an Adelaide boy, if we get a team back...it's got to be at this stadium and not Adelaide Oval...that place doesn't have any atmosphere for a rectangle sport event without a big crowd.

16,500 is a great capacity for a new team in an area where you’re trying to build a following. It allows the games to have atmosphere whilst you’re getting those small crowds in the early years.

If they get good enough, Adelaide Oval for finals games. But I’d rather play in a full house state of the art 16,500 seat stadium than have 20,0000 in a 60,000 seat oval.

 

[Colk]

16,500 is a great capacity for a new team in an area where you’re trying to build a following. It allows the games to have atmosphere whilst you’re getting those small crowds in the early years.

If they get good enough, Adelaide Oval for finals games. But I’d rather play in a full house state of the art 16,500 seat stadium than have 20,0000 in a 60,000 seat oval.

That is not a terrible point. Storm did something similar I guess

 

[Timbo]

Is Penrith still the home of womens soccer in Australia?

I could see it being justified if that’s still their main home stadium.

 

[Jamberoo]

Unfortunately, the pleasure of watching cricket in Australia has been ruined by generic multi-purpose stadiums offering little in terms of variety now. Perth Stadium has the exact same dimensions as the MCG for football, and little uniqueness that the WACA has such as the Fremantle doctor. Even the SCG has lost its slowness. Adelaide had the short square boundaries. Now they're all enclosed venues which tend to play the same.

English cricket venues all retain their charm.

Perth is not the same as MCG. It is 5m longer and 9m narrower - midway between MCG & AO in dimensions. Gabba and SCG are almost round. The new Gabba will be more like Perth. But, yes, all our major cricket grounds (possibly other than SCG and AO) have lost their charm. English venues don't really get used by other sports or many other events, so there is less need to expand/update them. It is a good move playing Shield Cricket and even some BBL at places like NSO, Junction Oval, WACA and AB Field that retain some heritage as they are primarily cricket grounds.

 

[Jamberoo]

f**k me! It's .00001% of the budget.
And you can't be serious about prioritizing the SCG. In NSW the priority should ALWAYS be rectangular stadiums... you know, the shape that 99% of our sporting teams use, as well as the rest of the world.

You're taking the piss saying you're from Sydney.

SCG get more use than most other NSW stadia. Certainly in 2022 it will have had the most use and the most patronage. The good thing there is that the three old stands there are separate, so you can do one at a time without having to spend $300m. Once the new Gabba and Hobart are built, SCG will be the sixth best, and fifth biggest cricket ground we have. The trust won't stand for that.

 

[Wb1234]

SCG get more use than most other NSW stadia. Certainly in 2022 it will have had the most use and the most patronage. The good thing there is that the three old stands there are separate, so you can do one at a time without having to spend $300m. Once the new Gabba and Hobart are built, SCG will be the sixth best, and fifth biggest cricket ground we have. The trust won't stand for that.

The trust don’t exist anymore

 

[Munky]

Assuming it’s 1k units the profit would’ve been 500 million to a billion. Like Cronulla clubs are giving up massive profits

This maths looks a bit wonky.

Mirvac's financial statements show $1.018 billion of revenue and profit of $164m for the residential development segment, so a margin of 16.11%. (https://www.mirvac.com/-/media/Proj...or-Centre/ASX/2022/MGR-FY22-Annual-Report.pdf pages 82 and 86).

Using the margin from Mirvac, for the developer to make $500m profit they will need $3.1b in sales and for a billion they'll need $6.1b in sales.

Seems a long shot that Penrith were sitting on such valuable undeveloped land.

Additionally, the interest rate the developer is paying has gone through the roof the past six months. This will supress the ultimate sale price too. They may be lucky to break even at the end of the day.

 

[Iamback]

This maths looks a bit wonky.

Mirvac's financial statements show $1.018 billion of revenue and profit of $164m for the residential development segment, so a margin of 16.11%. (https://www.mirvac.com/-/media/Proj...or-Centre/ASX/2022/MGR-FY22-Annual-Report.pdf pages 82 and 86).

Using the margin from Mirvac, for the developer to make $500m profit they will need $3.1b in sales and for a billion they'll need $6.1b in sales.

Seems a long shot that Penrith were sitting on such valuable undeveloped land.

Additionally, the interest rate the developer is paying has gone through the roof the past six months. This will supress the ultimate sale price too. They may be lucky to break even at the end of the day.

Hence why it is better to take the cash and let someone else do that stuff

 

[parrawentyfan]

I thought Coopers stadium had shorter pitch dimensions or something? Ie when NRL is played there, they had to shorten the ground like they do at Anfield in the UK. If that is the case, may put a dampener on its suitability as a permanent home.

 

[wain]

16,500 is a great capacity for a new team in an area where you’re trying to build a following. It allows the games to have atmosphere whilst you’re getting those small crowds in the early years.

If they get good enough, Adelaide Oval for finals games. But I’d rather play in a full house state of the art 16,500 seat stadium than have 20,0000 in a 60,000 seat oval.

100% agree.
only 2 Sydney teams averaged more than 16,500 in 2022, as a comparison.

I thought Coopers stadium had shorter pitch dimensions or something? Ie when NRL is played there, they had to shorten the ground like they do at Anfield in the UK. If that is the case, may put a dampener on its suitability as a permanent home.

not sure of the accuracy, but wikipedia has the dimension as 120 x 80. I dont remember it being too short when the Rams moved there in their second year though.

 

[Perth Red]

100% agree.
only 2 Sydney teams averaged more than 16,500 in 2022, as a comparison.

not sure of the accuracy, but wikipedia has the dimension as 120 x 80. I dont remember it being too short when the Rams moved there in their second year though.

To get an avg you need to be able to get over that avg for the big games. a 16k stadium will see an avg of 13k ish. a 20k stadium 16k.
Not every game draws the same so you need to be able to maximise the crowds for the big games to balance the small crowds. No NRL stadium should be less than 20k now and 25k in 10 years time. Thats the standard they should set.

 

[wain]

Looks like theres room to enclose the bottom stand corners in for more seats then wrap a roof around to meet the two side roofs to give you a NQ style stadium. That would be awesome for NRL. Does look like it lacks corporate facilities?

corners probably could...would also want to buy some land and put a carpark imo.
the new article that someone posted about upgrades made mention of increased corporate facilities, but can't comment on that personally.

 

[wain]

To get an avg you need to be able to get over that avg for the big games. a 16k stadium will see an avg of 13k ish. a 20k stadium 16k.
Not every game draws the same so you need to be able to maximise the crowds for the big games to balance the small crowds. No NRL stadium should be less than 20k now and 25k in 10 years time. Thats the standard they should set.

obviously that makes sense
It would be interesting to see recent polls, but I would think the biggest support for other teams in SA would come from Storm, Warriors and possibly some of the big Sydney clubs from 80s-90s such as Dragons, Eels, Dogs. Im not sure how many travelling fans we'd get, so I reckon there may not be too big a difference between an Adelaide's teams 'highest' attendance and their 'lowest'.