The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Quicksilver]

Rugby League clubs have been blessed with this alternative income stream that basically no other professional sport receives and somehow it's a bad thing?

In an alternative universe where LC's didn't exist we'd be on here trying to work out a way to build something almost identical.

 

[Perth Red]

Rugby League clubs have been blessed with this alternative income stream that basically no other professional sport receives and somehow it's a bad thing?

In an alternative universe where LC's didn't exist we'd be on here trying to work out a way to build something almost identical.

Depends if you have a money at any cost mentality. There’s a great deal of harm attached to that revenue source for clubs.

 

[Iamback]

I just love the way the potatoes endless whinge about league’s clubs. They are a legal form of entertainment. Don’t like them then don’t go. Not hard is it?

Even if you don't like pokies, Enjoy the cheap meals that you get as a member

 

[Iamback]

The potato bingo has all been hit in 1 page.

AFL ✅️
Leagues Clubs ✅️
Relocation ✅️
Pokie Dens ✅️
Perth ✅️
Methamphetamine anger ✅️

Alt makes an appearance

 

[Quicksilver]

Depends if you have a money at any cost mentality. There’s a great deal of harm attached to that revenue source for clubs.

We get an entertainment/ social venue filled with football club/ ruby league memorabilia, promoting the game on the big screens as the primary source of sporting entertainment and funding the actual game on a professional and grass roots level. All while holding millions of dollars of underlying real estate assets.

It's only a distopia if you're Australia's answer to Carrie A. Nation.

 

[MugaB]

The potato bingo has all been hit in 1 page.

AFL ✅️
Leagues Clubs ✅️
Relocation ✅️
Pokie Dens ✅️
Perth ✅️
Methamphetamine anger ✅️

Forgot the Gemba report, and a possible Logan/Singapore/Aircraft Carrier...
To get triple yatzee

 

[Iamback]

We get an entertainment/ social venue filled with football club/ ruby league memorabilia, promoting the game on the big screens as the primary source of sporting entertainment and funding the actual game on a professional and grass roots level. All while holding millions of dollars of underlying real estate assets.

It's only a distopia if you're Australia's answer to Carrie A. Nation.

Exactly, sit in the sports bar. Have a few drinks a steak and all the money is going back to the NRL club you support

 

[MugaB]

Exactly, sit in the sports bar. Have a few drinks a steak and all the money is going back to the NRL club you support

Oh no, can't have that... you need to feed it DIRECTLY into the pokies, so that the trolls here can point out how bad you are and scummy, punting away hard earned cash, and how it doesn't happen in qld.... fmd

 

[Pneuma]

Depends if you have a money at any cost mentality. There’s a great deal of harm attached to that revenue source for clubs.

Depends if you have a club at all. Oops! Potato

 

[Perth Red]

We get an entertainment/ social venue filled with football club/ ruby league memorabilia, promoting the game on the big screens as the primary source of sporting entertainment and funding the actual game on a professional and grass roots level. All while holding millions of dollars of underlying real estate assets.

It's only a distopia if you're Australia's answer to Carrie A. Nation.

It’s a high price for the community to pay to hang some old photos on the wall

Last year, non-casino poker machines alone accounted for $11.4bn. Australians spend more on gambling than on any other activity considered addictive, and have the highest per-capita losses of anywhere in the world.

‘I would have had my own house by now’: the devastating effects of a life in thrall to the pokies

Aaron Perkins-Kemp-Berger spent nearly 50 years gambling before he found a way out. Advocates say it’s time to make the problem a public health issue rather than blaming individuals

www.theguardian.com

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly, sit in the sports bar. Have a few drinks a steak and all the money is going back to the NRL club you support

That’s not why the majority of people are there and you know it. 80% plus of revenue in these clubs is in the pokies, not in people having a cheep beer and a schnitzel.

 

[Quicksilver]

It’s a high price for the community to pay to hang some old photos on the wall

Last year, non-casino poker machines alone accounted for $11.4bn. Australians spend more on gambling than on any other activity considered addictive, and have the highest per-capita losses of anywhere in the world.

‘I would have had my own house by now’: the devastating effects of a life in thrall to the pokies

Aaron Perkins-Kemp-Berger spent nearly 50 years gambling before he found a way out. Advocates say it’s time to make the problem a public health issue rather than blaming individuals

www.theguardian.com

That really is a personal choice.

I'm anti forcing people to go to clubs.

 

[Quicksilver]

That’s not why the majority of people are there and you know it. 80% plus of revenue in these clubs is in the pokies, not in people having a cheep beer and a schnitzel.

People can choose how to spend their money.

 

[Canard]

There are many reasons Collingwood is massive, here are just five:

1. an original club
2. Working class
3. Highly successful prior to WW2
4. Metropolitan zoning
5. Working class families that moved to cheaper suburbs and bred like rabbits

Collingwood and Souths are the two most similar clubs between AFL and NRL.

In 1915 VFL “zoned” local metropolitan areas, carving out portions around the city - not just a local district - for each team.

So Collingwood’s recruitment zone was a whole heap of suburbs to the north and north east of Collingwood. Many of which had no affiliation with Collingwood previous to 1915.

Collingwood: Cities of Collingwood, Coburg (part), Preston (part), Northcote, Heidelberg, Shires of Diamond Valley, Eltham.

It’s 23km from Collingwood to Diamond Valley and Eltham. Those suburbs have no link to Collingwood before 1915. It would be like giving Canterbury access to talent in seven hills and Blacktown (23kms away).

As those northern and north eastern suburbs grew with new working class families, and immigrants, so to did Collingwood’s supporters base.

From 1915 to 1960 Collingwood played in 23 grand finals, winning 10. First and only team to win 4 in a row 1927-30. From 1925-1939 they were in 11 GFs and won 6.

So basically like South’s, Collingwood cashed in early from the very start of their league and had two generations of supporters all over the city before WW2.

Canterbury formed in 1935 didn’t they? South’s and others already had their supporter basis’ solidified and past on to the next generation and the next and the next after that.

The bulldogs may well have increased popularity outside of their LGA when they dominated in the 80s. But what they needed to do to maximise this, and be like Hawthorn (formed in 1925) and have another extremely dominant decade post 1990.

Canterbury decided not to stretch out to another region like Hawthorn did with Tasmania. They’ve stagnated as a result - south’s and wests have moved in on their territory. They are actually now surrounded by wests, Parramatta, St George and south’s with little Avenue to grow outside of their district in Sydney.

They ain’t been a powerhouse for almost 20 years. Gould will obviously change that - but they’ll never compete with South’s or the other Sydney clubs for supporters across Australia. No one outside NSW even knows where Canterbury is ffs - hence why they changed their name to Sydney Bulldogs in the 90s.

Now you have over 100 years of league and Canterbury’s fan base is primarily trapped in a few south western suburbs. It’s not gonna grow outside of that region as every other Sydney team is set in stone with their own districts. That’s why they should, at very least, have followed the Hawthorn model and adopted perth or Adelaide as a partner.

Better yet, relocate to Perth full time and make shit loads more money and dominate the comp. WA government would bank roll all infrastructure and you could retain the Canterbury district talent and build the next Storm/Broncos etc. The dogs could have had 2m plus people in perth that actually have money (not like south west Sydney) to sell ur team too. Plus cashed in on WA corporates.

Only someone high and ripping cones all day would think Perth wouldn’t be the best option for theclub going fwd.

Anyways I could go on about the overwhelming benefits of relocating two Sydney clubs to Adelaide and Perth forever.

But then the old adage comes to mind:

“Bee’s don’t waste their time explaining to flies that honey is better than shit”

So I hope you, as well as all the loudmouth abusive pro Sydney club posters on here, continue to enjoy mediocrity and the taste of shit for generations to come

Great post mate!

Unfortunately it will go right over @Canard's head. He only remembers the mighty Bulldogs teams from the 80s, 90s and early 00s.

I cannot see Canterbury and Cronulla surviving in their current state. Both clubs are confined to small landlocked catchments and have a negative reputation due to their involvement in numerous off-field scandals over the last 30 years.


Last year a Bulldogs' fan physically assaulted a man at Lang Park.

NRL crowd brawl breaks out over alleged Anzac Day disrespect

A wild fight between fans broke out in the stands before the game had even started.

7news.com.au

In the 00s there was all sorts of problems at Canterbury games.

In 2006 there were three incidents at a Bulldogs vs Tigers game.

Bulldogs fans put NRL club in hot water

amp.smh.com.au

In 2015 there was a nasty scene at a Canterbury vs South Sydney game that led to an official suffering a serious injury.

UPDATE: NRL boss considers 'sanctions' for violent Bulldogs fans

The Bulldogs fans from the 2006 incident went on to cause trouble at Wanderers games in 2014.

Bulldogs and A-League louts are one and the same

The appalling, violent behaviour from a rogue element of Wanderers"fans" is eerily similar to that of Bulldogs rugby league "fans" a few years ago.

amp.smh.com.au

Since 2009 the Bulldogs have averaged more than 20k per home game 3 times, and have an average of 16,550 despite a particularly average run of form in the last decade or so. https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/canterbury.html

Souths have enjoyed enormous success in this timeframe and yet have a home average of 16,880 (only 300 more) https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/souths.html

@Storm80 so despite all your rhetoric they compete with Souths now.

Only someone who punches cones before breakfast would even entertain the idea that Canterbury are one of the Sydney clubs that should be relocated. Frankly, if it wasn't for Souths recent run of success, they weren't a patch on the Bulldogs in terms of support since the 80s.

You and @Get Rid of The Donkeys need to also find a better strain of weed if you think the Bulldogs are "unknown" outside Sydney and that their support is only drawn from their small suburb (and somehow the tiny suburb on Collingwood are the only team to have magically cracked the code of appealing to a larger market then there own LGA)

 

[Iamback]

That’s not why the majority of people are there and you know it. 80% plus of revenue in these clubs is in the pokies, not in people having a cheep beer and a schnitzel.

You know this how?

I'd take the word of someone who knows

Panthers Group in powerhouse position for strong future • The Western Weekender

Brian Fletcher reveals why doubts over the future of Panthers are unfounded.

westernweekender.com.au

Importantly, Panthers is working to future-proof its business as the reliance on poker machine revenue becomes less and less in the years to come.

“The younger generation just haven’t gravitated onto the gaming floor,” Mr Fletcher said.

“People that are playing poker machines now are older and there’s nobody coming through. In 10 years’ time I wouldn’t be surprised if poker machine takings here were down 50 per cent.”

Among the future-proofing concepts is a community and conference centre and a new hotel, which will be built in front of the current Penrith club.

It is Mr Fletcher’s hope that Panthers will manage both the conference centre and hotel under its own brand. He is hopeful it will generate $10 million in net profit annually.

As you have been told but are too dumb to let it sink in, Pokies are dying Clubs know this and are changing their practices

 

[Cheese sandwich]

People can choose how to spend their money.

Personally got no time for poker machines and think they're a horrible game of random chance, least with punting on horses, dogs and sports you can do form and give yourself a chance at a win. I'd honestly be happy to see them disappear forever, whilst i agree that people can spend their money however they want and only have themselves to blame for getting hooked to the things I've seen how it affects the families of the addicts when bills aren't getting paid because all the money has ended up getting put through pokies.

But i also suspect the certain few people on here who go on about them don't really care about the damage they do and are just using it as a means to push a certain agenda they have against those nasty Sydney clubs.

 

[Iamback]

People can choose how to spend their money.

If I go into Panthers I can

Indoor skydive
Play Aqua golf
Go to Timezone
Attend 5 restaurants
take Kids to the play centre
Maybe stay at the 2 hotels
not to mention
2 x Retirement homes
850 Apartments and soon to be convention centre...

But hey some fool in Perth says it is only Pokies

 

[Quicksilver]

If I go into Panthers I can

Indoor skydive
Play Aqua golf
Go to Timezone
Attend 5 restaurants
take Kids to the play centre
Maybe stay at the 2 hotels
not to mention
2 x Retirement homes
850 Apartments and soon to be convention centre...

But hey some fool in Perth says it is only Pokies

Yep. Even with the old Cronulla Leagues only about 1/4 of one level of the building housed pokies. It was a three storey building.

 

[Iamback]

Personally got no time for poker machines and think they're a horrible game of random chance, least with punting on horses, dogs and sports you can do form and give yourself a chance at a win. I'd honestly be happy to see them disappear forever, whilst i agree that people can spend their money however they want and only have themselves to blame for getting hooked to the things I've seen how it affects the families of the addicts when bills aren't getting paid because all the money has ended up getting put through pokies.

But i also suspect the certain few people on here who go on about them don't really care about the damage they do and are just using it as a means to push a certain agenda they have against those nasty Sydney clubs.

On the addicts though, If Poker machines weren't legal the would go somewhere else to get their fix. Atleast it is regulated that is something

 

[Iamback]

Yep. Even with the old Cronulla Leagues only about 1/4 of one level of the building housed pokies. It was a three storey building.

I imagine the new one will have more restaurant areas too