The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[beave]

And yet another thread ruined.

FMD.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Before pokies were legal in QLd in the early 90s what did the gamblers do for a fix .
Busload after busload after bus load went to Twin towns ( Tweed Heads ) to spend a day at the pokies .
lol they used to advertise in the paper when ..what time ..
come for a great day out blah blah .
people will find an alternative .
You could ban every machine in AUST .& the gamblers would either play online ..or play Keno .or punt on the nags ..dogs ..sports ..whatever.
.
The morality police potato cant seem to understand this .
Like an Alcoholic will somehow find money to have a drink ..a gambler will find a way to gamble .
I’d bet even if LCs banned them then he would find another excuse to rant hysterically about the evil worthless no good Syd RL Clubs.

If people want to have a night out at the club .
A few drinks
A good feed .
& a comfy nappy while trying your luck on the pokies ..then who is this twit to tell them what they can & can’t do .

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I dont see Cowboys drawing 50k every regularly either

There are only 2 venues that RL use that can draw 50k.

But TV scheduling continues to drive fans back to their lounges

Last years GF replay was a ThuNF at that large venue. That was a clear message by the to fans - stay at home

Whats the best & average Cowboys crowd for a ThuNF game?

Cowboys are based in a small regional city of 180k people. Its nearest team is the Dolphins in Moreton Bay and Broncos in Brisbane. There's a greater distance between Townsville and Brisbane than there is between Brisbane and Sydney. So that rules out a large pool of opposition fans driving to their games at North Queensland Stadium. Whatever attendances the Cowboys generate in Townsville is predominantly made up of people who live in the region.

Cowboys dont have a city of 5.2M to draw upon for support.

Conversely, Cowboys don't have to compete with eight other clubs for marketshare, but that's a problem Sydney's clubs have inflicted upon themselves.

Looking over all of these factors, it's a minor miracle the Cowboys are so successful off the field and embarrassing that the Sydney clubs are so weak. There's just not enough support in Sydney for nine clubs.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Do we restrict everything in society because certain people don't have the mental capacity to deal with it?

If that's the case I can't really see the point in anyone progressing past a year 6 education

Gaming addiction leads to bankruptcy, theft, unemployment, domestic violence, divorce and suicide. How anyone can try to justify any of this just so a bunch of small and unviable rugby league clubs in Sydney can live beyond their means is psychopathic.

 

[Quicksilver]

Gaming addiction leads to bankruptcy, theft, unemployment, domestic violence, divorce and suicide. How anyone can try to justify any of this just so a bunch of small and unviable rugby league clubs in Sydney can live beyond their means is psychopathic.

It can do. But a broomstick can also be used as a weapon. How anyone can justify brooms is beyond me.

By the way, the oldest of these Sydney clubs are 100+ years old, and the youngest are 50+ years old. So they seem pretty viable. Year after year of viability.

 

[Quicksilver]

So anyway, we're getting rid of the donkeys + 9 Sydney clubs.

Should be a good comp.

 

[Pneuma]

So anyway, we're getting rid of the donkeys + 9 Sydney clubs.

Should be a good comp.

The bloke has an insane hated festering inside of him. It’s gorgeous to watch. Still not as big a whinger as the whinging Pom!

 

[Pneuma]

Gaming addiction leads to bankruptcy, theft, unemployment, domestic violence, divorce and suicide. How anyone can try to justify any of this just so a bunch of small and unviable rugby league clubs in Sydney can live beyond their means is psychopathic.

Potato

 

[Perth Red]

People can choose how to spend their money.

Of course, but just as with smoking , speeding, drink driving and other public health issues we generally don’t take a do what you like attitude. Sadly there’s far too many dumb humans to have that philosophy,.

 

[Perth Red]

$50 memberships are all clubs need to survive according to some, It shows a mix of different revenues is needed

If you’ve got enough fans and corporate support you don’t need pokies, in any sport. thats a fact.

 

[Perth Red]

Before pokies were legal in QLd in the early 90s what did the gamblers do for a fix .
Busload after busload after bus load went to Twin towns ( Tweed Heads ) to spend a day at the pokies .
lol they used to advertise in the paper when ..what time ..
come for a great day out blah blah .
people will find an alternative .
You could ban every machine in AUST .& the gamblers would either play online ..or play Keno .or punt on the nags ..dogs ..sports ..whatever.
.
The morality police potato cant seem to understand this .
Like an Alcoholic will somehow find money to have a drink ..a gambler will find a way to gamble .
I’d bet even if LCs banned them then he would find another excuse to rant hysterically about the evil worthless no good Syd RL Clubs.

If people want to have a night out at the club .
A few drinks
A good feed .
& a comfy nappy while trying your luck on the pokies ..then who is this twit to tell them what they can & can’t do .

It’s like your totally ignoring all the evidence that accessibility, public perception and advertising play a major role in influencing peoples behaviour!
Sydney highest pokie machine access in the world.
Sydney highest pokie machine losses in the world.
Sydney highest problem gambling rate in the world.

Maybe your right and all the research and data we have is really just coincidence?

 

[Quicksilver]

If you’ve got enough fans and corporate support you don’t need pokies, in any sport. thats a fact.

Why would we want dirty corporate money?

 

[Quicksilver]

It’s like your totally ignoring all the evidence that accessibility, public perception and advertising play a major role in influencing peoples behaviour!
Sydney highest pokie machine access in the world.
Sydney highest pokie machine losses in the world.
Sydney highest problem gambling rate in the world.

Maybe your right and all the research and data we have is really just coincidence?

So?

We like them and choose to live in a jurisdiction that allows it.

If people dont like it, they can vote against it or move to a worse state.

 

[Quicksilver]

Of course, but just as with smoking , speeding, drink driving and other public health issues we generally don’t take a do what you like attitude. Sadly there’s far too many dumb humans to have that philosophy,.

It's a financial choice. And as an adult I'm comfortable with it.

I could pour my money into a speculative stock in the sharemarket as an alternative. I can pull my phone out my pocket and do it now.

Is that ok?

 

[Canard]

Their attendances are good compared to other Sydney teams, but they're not converting them into strong revenue.

You've seen the annual reports documenting how little they make from football operations.

Ticketing and corporate hospitality is not a strong source of revenue for the Bulldogs.

Revenue for NRL Clubs (2018-2021)

Sponsorship and Corporate Hospitality Club 2021 2020 2019 2018 Broncos $12,757,777 $10,310,407 $15,326,071 $14,572,909 Cowboys $8,986,580 $6,451,208 $9,382,117 $9,000,000? Rabbitohs $8,900,000 $6,000,000 $8,900,000 $7,900,000 Roosters $8,197,752...

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Money doesn't grow on trees and without it there is no professional sport.

So you suggest that clubs should be judged purely on some cherry picked revenue numbers and ignore their crowds and fanbase?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It can do. But a broomstick can also be used as a weapon. How anyone can justify brooms is beyond me.

By the way, the oldest of these Sydney clubs are 100+ years old, and the youngest are 50+ years old. So they seem pretty viable. Year after year of viability.

NSWRL clubs have been propped up by gaming revenue since 1956.

How many Sydney clubs would be able to generate $30M without gaming machine revenue and the annual grant from the ARLC?

Tbe answer is none.

That's what makes them unviable.

At a lower level with smaller expenses they would be fine, but not to play in the NRL in its current state they need to be propped up by broadcast and gaming revenue.

I actually made a thread on this topic. I quoted the earnings from each club's annual report. The Broncos and Cowboys are easily the two wealthiest and most viable clubs in the competition.

 

[Canard]

NSWRL clubs have been propped up by gaming revenue since 1956.

How many Sydney clubs would be able to generate $30M without gaming machine revenue and the annual grant from the ARLC?

Tbe answer is none.

That's what makes them unviable.

At a lower level with smaller expenses they would be fine, but not to play in the NRL in its current state they need to be propped up by broadcast and gaming revenue.

I actually made a thread on this topic. I quoted the earnings from each club's annual report. The Broncos and Cowboys are easily the two wealthiest and most viable clubs in the competition.

Both have pokie dens.

And when you wax lyrical about how some BRL clubs (like Easts) are richer then Sydney clubs you mean they have large pokie dens because they sure as shit don't make money from gameday and merchandise.

So are they unviable also?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So you suggest that clubs should be judged purely on some cherry picked revenue numbers and ignore their crowds and fanbase?

It would help if you actually responded to what was written instead of creating strawman arguments.

I'm not ignoring the Bulldogs' attendances by any means. I'm pointing out that their revenue from ticketing and membership is on the low side. That means the club is either fudging its attendance numbers or is selling their tickets and membership packages at a very low rate. They wouldn't do either of these things if they had a large and active fanbase.

You also omit the fact Canterbury play hyped up "event" games each year against other Sydney clubs to artificially enhance their attendances. Take those games out of the equation and their attendances drop right down. If you want to know how many active fans they have look at the crowds they pull at Stadium Australia against interstate teams. In recent years they've taken games against the Cowboys to North Queensland because they don't draw much in Sydney.

Both have pokie dens.

And when you wax lyrical about how some BRL clubs (like Easts) are richer then Sydney clubs you mean they have large pokie dens because they sure as shit don't make money from gameday and merchandise.

So are they unviable also?

The Easts Tigers would easily generate twice as much revenue from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership if they were in the NRL because Brisbane is not an over saturated market. All twelve of their home matches would be played at the best rugby league stadium in the world.

The Dolphins haven't even played a game yet they've accumulated over $10M from sponsorship deals, which is more than any Sydney club. Easts Tigers would easily surmount that as they're based in the inner suburbs and on the south side in the most parochial rugby league market in the world.

Compared to the Roosters, Bulldogs and Panthers, the Broncos and Cowboys don't make the much from their gaming machines.

 

[Quicksilver]

NSWRL clubs have been propped up by gaming revenue since 1956.

How many Sydney clubs would be able to generate $30M without gaming machine revenue and the annual grant from the ARLC?

Tbe answer is none.

That's what makes them unviable.

At a lower level with smaller expenses they would be fine, but not to play in the NRL in its current state they need to be propped up by broadcast and gaming revenue.

I actually made a thread on this topic. I quoted the earnings from each club's annual report. The Broncos and Cowboys are easily the two wealthiest and most viable clubs in the competition.

They continue to operate and don't go broke, so they are viable. It doesn't matter that you choose to ignore an actual revenue stream.

 

[Canard]

It would help if you actually responded to what was written instead of creating strawman arguments.

I'm not ignoring the Bulldogs' attendances by any means. I'm pointing out that their revenue from ticketing and membership is on the low side. That means the club is either fudging its attendance numbers or is selling their tickets and membership packages at a very low rate. They wouldn't do either of these things if they had a large and active fanbase.

You also omit the fact Canterbury play hyped up "event" games each year against other Sydney clubs to artificially enhance their attendances. Take those games out of the equation and their attendances drop right down. If you want to know how many active fans they have look at the crowds they pull at Stadium Australia against interstate teams. In recent years they've taken games against the Cowboys to North Queensland because they don't draw much in Sydney.


The Easts Tigers would easily generate twice as much revenue from sponsorship, corporate hospitality, ticketing and membership if they were in the NRL because Brisbane is not an over saturated market. All twelve of their home matches would be played at the best rugby league stadium in the world.

The Dolphins haven't even played a game yet they've accumulated over $10M from sponsorship deals, which is more than any Sydney club. Easts Tigers would easily surmount that as they're based in the inner suburbs and on the south side in the most parochial rugby league market in the world.

Compared to the Roosters, Bulldogs and Panthers, the Broncos and Cowboys don't make the much from their gaming machines.

Why would you take out games that they get large attendances for? Surely not just to cherry pick and make a biased point?

Can you name me one NRL side that doesn't have a large drawing "event game on their calendar?

Hypothetical aside, why are Brisbane Easts "rich' now? What is there primary source of revenue?