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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Jamberoo

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AlwaysGreen said:
Why does a new stadium equate to a second fumbleball team in Brisbane?

To me it equates to a cricket stadium that can compete against Sydney, Perth and Adelaide for major events like world cup quarter and semi finals.

Right now Brisbane is behind all those cities.
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A new stadium actually extinguishes the chance of a second Brisbane AFL team. You simply can’t go from 36k capacity per fortnight to 120k per fortnight. Increasing supply that dramatically would significantly reduce demand. Instead of the Lions pulling 45k per week in 2033, you would have them with 35k and Brisbane 2 with 10k - 15k. The AFL won’t have that.
 
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i0Nic said:
Have you read the Olympic Games own charter on the ‘new norm’ to significant reduce the costs and impracticalities of the games that’s just coming into effect with Paris and LA? https://www.olympics.com/ioc/new-norm

‘History’ of the games has caused them to become undesirable to host because of the ridiculous costs such as building multi billion dollar ovals most cities don’t need.
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And Paris will go down as one of the worst. Wouldn't use that in a comparison.
 
titoelcolombiano

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i0Nic said:
On top of all this, it gives the perception that afl is the premier sport in qld as it has the fancy new oval and by 2032 Suncorp will be tired and busted - which is where nrl play

watch all the fumblers crow on about this. They are already going on about how afl is taking over qld. They will love gloating that ‘if nrl is so popular why does afl have a brand new 60k stadium and nrl has a 30 year old 55k stadium’
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Completely agree mate. f**k AFL, f**k the Olympics. I'm born and bred in Brisbane and all I care about is how RL benefits from this.

What you suggest is exactly what will happen post games. NRL will be told that Broncos, Dolphins, State of Origin and Magic Rd can play at the Olympic Stadium of you want a bigger ground and we are stuck with our very own Accor Stadium for decades.
 
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Perth Red said:
Why would you though? Whats the benefit of downsizing it? For big concerts etc the bigger the better. Dont see any logic in spening lots of money to make something smaller.
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By your logic, Homebush should've remained at 110k for the big concerts. Not sure the IOC wants hosts cities to be 'spending lots of money'. The IOC has a "New Norm" which focuses on cost efficiency where cities are using existing infrastructure or build temporary venues.

The IOC is adopting the New Norm so that it encourages cities to put bids in for future Olympics. Cities ain't bidding for the Games likè they used to in the past. Here are examples from 2004 onwards:

2004- 11 cities bid (Athens)
2008- 10 bids (Beijing)
2012- 9 bids (London)
2016- 4 bids (Rio)
2020- 3 bids (Tokyo)
2024- 2 bids (Paris) LA was the other bidder. So the IOC simultaneously announced Paris (2024) and LA (2028)
Paris and LA.
2032- one bid (Brisbane)

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mongoose

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I suspect some other reasons why Victoria Park stadium build is so expensive because they need to do major excavation work, thats if it goes where the old Golf Course was.... The Park is all hills so they need to make a huge flat area for it. It will need several new access points built, roads will probably need to be changed. Possibility of a new train station on the Exhibition line because Exhibition station is a little too far. I can see costs blowing out massively actually.
 
Red&BlackBear

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mongoose said:
I suspect some other reasons why Victoria Park stadium build is so expensive because they need to do major excavation work, thats if it goes where the old Golf Course was.... The Park is all hills so they need to make a huge flat area for it. It will need several new access points built, roads will probably need to be changed. Possibility of a new train station on the Exhibition line because Exhibition station is a little too far. I can see costs blowing out massively actually.
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It’s the civil and services infrastructure in the early works stage where the big ticket costs are. It won’t be cheap to connect brand new water, sewage, power and communications to a brand new stadium on a greenfield however, it will be cheaper than trying to rework dated infrastructure at the Gabba site. As that requires far more work to remove and then re-install.

SEQ Water, Energex and Telstra for commercial projects of grand sizes be it new stadiums, new hospitals etc come with a hefty cost.
 
Jamberoo

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Iamback said:
Getting concerts off Suncorp is helpful but overall. Suncorp will still be used more so is a strange call
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Almost all concerts are during cricket season so reckon half the will still be at Suncorp, with the really big ones at Victoria Park. You can fit an extra 10k on an oval field, so capacity there could be 15k more for concerts.
 
Diesel

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mongoose said:
I suspect some other reasons why Victoria Park stadium build is so expensive because they need to do major excavation work, thats if it goes where the old Golf Course was.... The Park is all hills so they need to make a huge flat area for it. It will need several new access points built, roads will probably need to be changed. Possibility of a new train station on the Exhibition line because Exhibition station is a little too far. I can see costs blowing out massively actually.
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Concept drawings have the stadium closer to the ICB (road) and the rail tracks. It looks if anything, they’ll be building part of it over the road
 
Diesel

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Jamberoo said:
Almost all concerts are during cricket season so reckon half the will still be at Suncorp, with the really big ones at Victoria Park. You can fit an extra 10k on an oval field, so capacity there could be 15k more for concerts.
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True, but because of Brisbane’s settled weather in winter and very little rain, March to October is a settled time for outdoor events
 
flippikat

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Steel Saints said:
The IOC is adopting the New Norm so that it encourages cities to put bids in for future Olympics. Cities ain't bidding for the Games likè they used to in the past. Here are examples from 2004 onwards:

2004- 11 cities bid (Athens)
2008- 10 bids (Beijing)
2012- 9 bids (London)
2016- 4 bids (Rio)
2020- 3 bids (Tokyo)
2024- 2 bids (Paris) LA was the other bidder. So the IOC simultaneously announced Paris (2024) and LA (2028)
Paris and LA.
2032- one bid (Brisbane)
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Yep - and keep in mind that the Olympics has been in this situation before - there were three bids for 1976 (Montreal - the winner, Moscow & LA), then for 1980 just Moscow the winning bid & LA, then for 1984 LA ended up getting it practically unopposed (well, apart from a bid from Iran which was withdrawn).

The move that changed that was commercialization - and LA 1984 went all-in on commercializing the games, and it started earning some money - then we had the first boycott-free games for a generation in Seoul in 1988, and suddenly it was appealing to bid for the Games.

Point is, the IOC has re-invented the Games before & have shown they'll do whatever it takes to make it appealing to bid again - right now that's a fine focus on budgets, sustainability & legacy of the venues being used.
 
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Diesel said:
True, but because of Brisbane’s settled weather in winter and very little rain, March to October is a settled time for outdoor events
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Brisbane doesn't get a say in the timing with a lot of big international events like concert tours, they need to slot into the artist's tour schedule.
 
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