Gallen to be sacked as captain

[Quigs]

In case you really did want to know...

In some ways, he's still like the boy who so loved chocolate - smearing it across his face until it resembled a beard - that friends and family called him "Choc''.
Even now, Choc stops eating dairy products four or five days before his fights, having determined that they hinder his breathing. Chocolate, though, he keeps eating until two days beforehand.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22870928-5001023,00.html

That might be the true reason Godz, I thank you for informing me. I couldn't be bothered reading anything about Choc. I have no time for the grub. I have a lot of time for his old man. I loved watching Tony go round all those years ago. I loved watching his manager Ernie McQuillan at Press conferences.

But I will put it to you this way. How many people out there in the world honestly think that his "choc" name has a lot to do with the colour of his skin.

As mentioned above, I played league with a lot of aboriginal players, through my junior days in the Shire, through to bush league, in fact every facit of league I have been involved in has had a large percentage of aboriginal, islander players, officials and supporters. Even up here in Emu Park.

I had mates at Kirrinari ( can't remember the spelling, it was the hostel for aboriginal kids at Sylvania Heights - lets say they were taken from their families to be educated in the city)

I played with blokes called Nuggett, I played with blokes called Mediterranean Descendant.
I played with blokes called Snow.

My point again is that in my opinion Rugby League players are the most non racist people I have ever come across. And believe it or not I consider myself to of been around or two for a pound or two.

I don't think gallen is a racist because he calls a bloke a name. f**k I must be the biggest racist in the world for some of the names I've called people over time.

But a lot of people still call me a Mediterranean Descendant. it's life, live with it.

I am proud of the way my parents raised me re racism, I was raised to know it takes all types to make up a world, you have good c____ts and you have bad c____ts. My old man always told me to watch out for the righteous churchie c____ts they were the real bad blokes.

Cheers
Declared Idiot #88
Quigs

 

[King of the Hill]

Won't be worth it if Gallen says "get f**ked, you guys need me more than I need you" and then wants out, which he may well do for being hung out to dry after giving his guts for a very weak team this year.

 

[gunnamatta bay]

Not conclusively no,

Then it has to be unfair. No if' or buts.

but given his comments/actions since I think he said it.

again this provides no conclusive evidence. Why not have a hearing to determine all the evidence. Why not? All other on field charges are given the opportunity to plead not guilty. Whats so special about this one? (I could allude to their motives)

Cmon Gunna, you think he said it too.

I have my doubts. And a doubt is good enough reason to give Gallen the opportunity to clear his name. I have already cited the circumstances (in another thread)that may have impaired Paea's ability to grasp what Gallen said.

And you cant criticise the club if he is stripped of the captaincy.

I can if he is not given a fair hearing. It seems if the NRL told Barry and Zaps to dance in pink tutus in Martin Place they would do it.

Look at the state of our affairs, we are a total mess with no major sponsor.

Gallen is hardly to blame for that.

Gallen has a bad image and is one of the most hated persons in the game.

And by paying the fine and just going away it will make things better? Even if there is a possiblility he is not guilty?

I am making a stand on the Paea matter because he has requested a hearing, is being denied and the club is too scared to back him up for fear of upsetting Gallop.

It sets a dangerous precedent.

 

[Quigs]

Gallen must be sick and tired of defending himself week in week out.

And seeing how his club "backed up" Buster, or backed up the side of 2002, or backed up former Player M Johns, then why would he even bother.

How many times has he beaten the "On Report" charges over the last two years. How many times has our club come out bleating about him being found guilty on reputation .... I know if I was coach and club come out swinging for our No 1 player.

"Did anyone see Dessie have a go at the Referring decision the othere day"

Was he fined?

Oh thats the same bloke that burst into the committees door banging the desk saying that his players (Watmough & Stewart) will be playing next weekend (after the launch)

Cheers
Declared Idiot #88
Quigs

 

[millersnose]

all that may be true guys if this was an isolated incident

it isnt

whether or not we like to admit it the fact is gallen has been involved in a never ending string of unsavoury incidents and suspensions

it is a poor figurehead for a club with a current unsavoury image

lets get real

 

[coolumsharkie]

Quigs for Prez!!

 

[gunnamatta bay]

I am suggesting that unless the club is runned by idiots, they would have talked to some of the other players and would have been told that Gallen said .... They then sack him of his captaincy

I repeat. There has been no statement from the club or nrl that any form of inquiry was held.

1. Gallen says he said something else.
2. Gallen wants to have the matter heard before a properly convened tribunal.
3. Despite this he has been found guilty and fined in his absence.
4. Barry and Zaps fully support this flawed justice system.

IMO the current board will regret not backing Gallen.

 

[Quigs]

all that may be true guys if this was an isolated incident

it isnt

whether or not we like to admit it the fact is gallen has been involved in a never ending string of unsavoury incidents and suspensions

it is a poor figurehead for a club with a current unsavoury image

lets get real

I am too far away to get any up to date information about the Sharks. It is only when more then fresh air hits the fan the I get to hear anything.

But from what I can see over the last few months or more our problem is the poor figurehead in the boardroom that has been the problem.

Honestly how do you think a Bullfrog Moore, or a Arthurson would of handled this string of events re the club. And most of it is beat up after beat up.

I reckon at least a strong administration would of shown a set of balls and went on some sort of offensive instead of rolling over and submitting.

I'd love to have a team full of Gallens.

Even if he is wrong, I'd be defending him (to a point) but re the support he gets from the club, even before justice can be seen to be done, well the silence has been deafening.

Cheers
Declared Idiot #88
Quigs

 

[RufusRex]

The problem with the direction Stuart is now taking the club is that there are very few standout candidates for captain in the squad ..

Barrett has captained the Dragons but he is still only 10 games into his career with the sharks.

Gallen is your on field leader (even though he is the most unsavoury player in the comp) and without the ( c ) next to his name will still carry on in the same fashion ... Any other captain will just be a captain in name only.

Could we see the return of the rarest of league beasts ... A captain on the wing?

** Does this qualify as a legit post within the context of the discussion or is it too threatening for you and destined for the troll thread **

 

[spider]

what's a disclimer?

 

[RufusRex]

a spelling mistke

 

[millersnose]

I am too far away to get any up to date information about the Sharks. It is only when more then fresh air hits the fan the I get to hear anything.

But from what I can see over the last few months or more our problem is the poor figurehead in the boardroom that has been the problem.

Honestly how do you think a Bullfrog Moore, or a Arthurson would of handled this string of events re the club. And most of it is beat up after beat up.

I reckon at least a strong administration would of shown a set of balls and went on some sort of offensive instead of rolling over and submitting.

I'd love to have a team full of Gallens.

Even if he is wrong, I'd be defending him (to a point) but re the support he gets from the club, even before justice can be seen to be done, well the silence has been deafening.

Cheers
Declared Idiot #88
Quigs

i think all sharks fans admire gallen

to answer your question though i dont think the bulldogs would have made him a captain

hey i loved johnny gibs, les davidson, and a whole range of other league hardmen - that doesnt mean they should be made captain

in fact if you have a hardman he shouldnt be captain

 

[spider]

a spelling mistke

I'm not a spelling nazi

But if you dont wish to have posts moved - then dont troll, its quite simple Rufus

It's quite childish, and a bit sooky, but more amusing - to add disclaimers to your post don't you think?

You obviously dont take well to being moderated considering this sulking has been going on for a month now?

 

[dovif]

I repeat. There has been no statement from the club or nrl that any form of inquiry was held.

1. Gallen says he said something else.
2. Gallen wants to have the matter heard before a properly convened tribunal.
3. Despite this he has been found guilty and fined in his absence.
4. Barry and Zaps fully support this flawed justice system.

IMO the current board will regret not backing Gallen.

This club might have already held its enquiry, ie spoke to Sharks players at training on Tuesday, then made their decision, it did not seem to be a rushed decision

As I said previously, Paea, by all accounts one of the nicest blokes in the NRL, called Gallen a racist in front of his face, Gallen did not deny it, he was 2 metres away, I think that says it all.

 

[herbert henry1908]

This is my point Spider. He is being denied any avenue to 'fight' the charge. They have imposed the fine. It is alleged by a scandal sheet Zappia is going to recommend he be stripped of the captaincy and Barry is quoted as saying he agrees 100% with the NRL stance.

Where is the justice?

In short its a bloody disgrace.

Its all because the NRL think they have to jump on anything in the name of PR.

they are beholden to the interests of the scandal sheet.

 

[herbert henry1908]

This club might have already held its enquiry, ie spoke to Sharks players at training on Tuesday, then made their decision, it did not seem to be a rushed decision

they might have?!

If they had a proper enquiry Gallen would have been present. Gallen is in origin camp.

How anyone could think this is not a rushed descion is laughable.

As I said previously, Paea, by all accounts one of the nicest blokes in the NRL, called Gallen a racist in front of his face, Gallen did not deny it, he was 2 metres away, I think that says it all.

Just becuase he is nice doesnt mean he has good hearing. Its possible for anyone to make mistakes , even nice people. Thats why the charge of racial abuse should be tested at a hearing.

And noy denying something on the spot doesnt make you guilty. He simply could have thought it was best to leave it until after the game. A denial wouldnt have stopped anything from happening if Paea wanted to make an official complaint.

 

[King of the Hill]

I repeat. There has been no statement from the club or nrl that any form of inquiry was held.

1. Gallen says he said something else.
2. Gallen wants to have the matter heard before a properly convened tribunal.
3. Despite this he has been found guilty and fined in his absence.
4. Barry and Zaps fully support this flawed justice system.

IMO the current board will regret not backing Gallen.

Agree with you.

It's RUGBY LEAGUE ffs. What kind of a girls game are we trying to turn this into?

We hung Bird and Seymour out to dry to weasel out of the media.

We were congratulated in small mentions in the Sunday Tele gossip column. Finally a club not afraid to do the right thing.

Where did it get us?

Given the events of the past month, did it progress our image at all? No. We've gone backwards, still tarnished by those two incidents.

Bird and Seymour copped it. If I was Gallen, being hung out to dry just so we can fall into line with the latest media frenzy, I'd say go ram it and head elsewhere.

If we are going to get tarred by the grub brush, we may as well put our best team on the field and do the right thing by our players.

The media will always be out for scalps. We need to resist that.

We need to win on the park, not win in the media...where we are losing anyway despite our constant knee-jerk reactions to the story of the day.

 

[millersnose]

they might have?!

If they had a proper enquiry Gallen would have been present. Gallen is in origin camp.

How anyone could think this is not a rushed descion is laughable.



Just becuase he is nice doesnt mean he has good hearing. Its possible for anyone to make mistakes , even nice people. Thats why the charge of racial abuse should be tested at a hearing.

And noy denying something on the spot doesnt make you guilty. He simply could have thought it was best to leave it until after the game. A denial wouldnt have stopped anything from happening if Paea wanted to make an official complaint.

geeze guys

this isnt a 'legal' issue

this is a club excercising their right to determine who should be its captain

it is quite naive to think that given the publicity for the sharks lately everyone was told to be on their best behaviour

and the senior player - the captain - immediately blows it, and its not like he hasnt blown it before

 

[adamkungl]

In my mind the Cronulla's image would be better if those in charge to a stand for common sense in cases like the Seymour non-incident, rather then repeatedly bending over and taking the media and NRLs (they are one and the same really. f**king News) crap. Looks pretty poor when the CEO comes out and agrees with those bashing the club from pillar to post.

 

[herbert henry1908]

geeze guys

this isnt a 'legal' issue

this is a club excercising their right to determine who should be its captain

it is quite naive to think that given the publicity for the sharks lately everyone was told to be on their best behaviour

and the senior player - the captain - immediately blows it, and its not like he hasnt blown it before

The issue is Gallen is denying having said what he is accused of.

If he didnt say it , how can you say there has been bad behaviour?

If there was a proper hearing , and Gallen was proven to have said it then he deserves all thats coming to him.

The club wouldnt be sacking him as captain if at a hearing he was found not guilty.

Racism is a serious chagre and should be dealt with properly. Not in this mickey mouse fashion both the NRL and club have done.