Game of Thrones VIII

[Walt Flanigan]

Anyone know why Cersei didn't just kill Daenarys right there though? War over?

Surely they were out of range for the archers

 

[Game_Breaker]

So Euron and his men were like Hawkeye when they shot Rhaegal, but stormtroopers when they tried to shoot Drogon

 

[Apey]

Surely they were out of range for the archers

Not for the scorpions though.

Cersei literally blew up the Sept and everyone in it two seasons ago to kill some enemies. This time her biggest enemy plus the brother she paid someone to assassinate were well within killing range.

 

[Danish]

Euron is like the Nazi’s in Breaking Bad.

The compelling villains are largely all gone, but you still need a bad guy.

Euron should quite clearly just be Yara and Theon’s Dad. The iron born are shown to be fanatical ruthless killers who love the Greyjoy’s. Their father was also shown to hate the starks and wanted to turn on the north and side with the Lannister’s. They so easily could have just had Yara turn traitor on her own father and have the family go to war against each other.

Instead we have some random idiot just turn up, declare that actually the iron born actually hate father Greyjoy, toss him over the railing and declare himself king. It makes absolutely no sense.

Having father Greyjoy siding with Cersei would have given us 2 old houses with massive stark grudges up against the north, while also removing the whole pointless Jaime Euron Cersei baby daddy bullshit.

That would fix so much of the Greyjoy storyline.

 

[God-King Dean]

I hate Dany

So much

So glad to see that smug face wiped off her

 

[Vozzy]

There was actually less plot armor in this episode then the last one considering there wasn't really a battle.

I'm wondering if someone from winterfell has sent Cersei information like how did they know they were coming by boat. I'm thinking Tyrion or Varys have been sending ravens. They should have no knowledge of how the battle with the dead went.

I'm thinking it's Tyrion because if not then there was no reason for her not to kill him at the end aswell her character as it is would have not hesitated unless they are working together ever since he talked to her after they showed her the wight at the dragon pit. We didn't see that conversation.

When Tyrion saw dany burn the Lannister soldiers in the field of fire something clicked to say she isn't any better than Cersei?

Also Arya saying no to Gendry is a bit like Lyanna not wanting Robert. She will probably fall in love with someone else and the whole kidnapping thing could go full circle where Gendry thinks she was taken when she actually loves someone else? Not enough episodes for that but?

 

[BennyV]

Anyone know why Cersei didn't just kill Daenarys right there though? War over?

Possibly Drogon?

I don’t like how they’ve made the Dragons out to be such little bitches. Rhaegal went down far too easily.

 

[Game_Breaker]

Rhaegal was wounded, so perhaps they’re using that

Varys turned on Dany way too quickly. He didn’t have much dialogue for most of this season and last season then all of a sudden he wants to commit treason

 

[Valheru]

So Euron and his men were like Hawkeye when they shot Rhaegal, but stormtroopers when they tried to shoot Drogon

This!

At least have 4 or 5 miss Rhaegal first.

Not for the scorpions though.

I think it is implied they were out of range as the dragon was just chilling behind them. Looked way too close to be our of range I agree but pretty sure that is the implication.

I'm thinking it's Tyrion because if not then there was no reason for her not to kill him at the end aswell her character as it is would have not hesitated unless they are working together ever since he talked to her after they showed her the wight at the dragon pit.

Possibly but I don't think so. For me she didn't kill tyrion because she knew the retaliation would be to kill Qyburn

 

[Timbo]

Rhaegal was wounded, so perhaps they’re using that

Varys turned on Dany way too quickly. He didn’t have much dialogue for most of this season and last season then all of a sudden he wants to commit treason

That’s kind of a Varys though. Waits in the shadows whilst making decisions. And what he said about being loyal to the realm has been a defining character trait.

 

[Tommy Smith]

There's Game of Thrones Seasons 1-4 which are amazing; and Game of Thrones Seasons 5-8, which are flawed in both pacing and plot/character continuation, but also still sporadically awesome in due part to the foundations the show layed in those early seasons.

Season 8 has followed this course accurately. As did Episode 4 - awesome in parts, but also with a sense of being rushed and flawed in terms of storyline.

But again, that's been GoT for roughly 4 seasons now so why the surprise?

 

[Timbo]

There's Game of Thrones Seasons 1-4 which are amazing; and Game of Thrones Seasons 5-8, which are flawed in both pacing and plot/character continuation, but also still sporadically awesome in due part to the foundations the show layed in those early seasons.

Season 8 has followed this course accurately. As did Episode 4 - awesome in parts, but also with a sense of being rushed and flawed in terms of storyline.

But again, that's been GoT for roughly 4 seasons now so why the surprise?

I think a lot of the issues with this season are that we know the show is coming to an end, so a lot of this stuff isn't going to come back or get an explanation down the line.

If that episode was in season 4, we'd be excited to find out in 2-3 years what Bran was warging into or how the Golden Company will eventually come into play.

 

[Game_Breaker]

 

[adamkungl]

Starting to think this show ain’t going to end in a satisfying manner.

They spent so much wasted time dragging very little story progression over seasons 5 and 6, and now suddenly it feels like they are rushing through everything too quickly.

The forcing of Euron into the story is where the show lost its way IMO. No one gives a f**k about this guy, and now he’s suddenly some massive player slaying dragons.

They are also really forcing in this conflict between the Starks and Dany.

Tbh the show is collapsing under the pressure of itself.

Called this last week and you said it was 'quite brilliant' ...

Cracks have appeared for a while but papered over with brilliant actors and a good plot.
Last week the cracks came wide open.
Now they're just spewing out nonsense.

Season 1-4 built climaxes and twists by meticulously placing complex characters and events on the board. Twists were satisfying because while you didn't see them coming, you could afterwards immediately understand how they came to be.
Season 5-7 carried the momentum of previous brilliance as far as they could, while flaws started to show up they didn't collapse the whole thing.

Season 8 it is clear they do not have the ability to wrap this up. Nothing matters, nothing makes sense, nothing has any deeper meaning.
They now build twists with 2 main ingredients
1. Make every main character a moron, so even major breaks in character can be justified by emotion/arrogance/rage/forgetting.
2. Cut away from any crucial dialogue so it happens off-screen and leaves the viewers hanging.

With the above 2 ingredients, anything can happen and anything can be justified through huge logical leaps.

Rubbish rubbish rubbish.

 

[Game_Breaker]

I was annoyed at the time we didn’t get to see Tyrion, Sansa and Arya’s reaction to Jon’s parentage but now that I think about it, I’m ok with it

Their reactions don’t matter, the fact that they know is what matters. Jon and Danys reactions were important though

 

[Game_Breaker]

Called this last week and you said it was 'quite brilliant' ...

Cracks have appeared for a while but papered over with brilliant actors and a good plot.
Last week the cracks came wide open.
Now they're just spewing out nonsense.

Season 1-4 built climaxes and twists by meticulously placing complex characters and events on the board. Twists were satisfying because while you didn't see them coming, you could afterwards immediately understand how they came to be.
Season 5-7 carried the momentum of previous brilliance as far as they could, while flaws started to show up they didn't collapse the whole thing.

Season 8 it is clear they do not have the ability to wrap this up. Nothing matters, nothing makes sense, nothing has any deeper meaning.
They now build twists with 2 main ingredients
1. Make every main character a moron, so even major breaks in character can be justified by emotion/arrogance/rage/forgetting.
2. Cut away from any crucial dialogue so it happens off-screen and leaves the viewers hanging.

With the above 2 ingredients, anything can happen and anything can be justified through huge logical leaps.

Rubbish rubbish rubbish.

It has something to do with GRRM not writing for the show anymore
He had to stop to concentrate on writing the books

 

[Valheru]

I think it is fair to say that the writers/producers are lost without GRRM.

The seasons that followed the 5 released books were phenomenal. The seasons that contained unwritten material but significant guidance from GRRM were very good and the last couple of seasons that have relied primarily on the writers and very little from GRRM besides a very broad outline of how it ends have been underwhelming.

 

[greenBV4]

I believe Riverrun is still occupied by Edmure Tully? He was key in taking the castle during the siege and the Tully army stayed loyal to him.

I’m interested to see if the Martell’s join back in - surely they don’t get mentioned for no reason...

Oh yeah, I forgot about Edmure!
If that's the case though, Why would Cersei promise Riverrun to Bronn? didn't Edmure effectively side with Cersei when he surrendered the castle?

Seem's like the writers also forgot about Edmure

Maybe he'll make a cameo in the last battle, same goes with the Dornish and their unnamed prince and probably some Baratheon soldiers after Gendry "re-takes" Storms End off camera

 

[Apey]

Season 6 ep9 and 10 are prob my favourite two episodes. But I also hated a lot of Aryas stuff that season. So yeah a mixed bag.

I don't think there's any good twists or major plot points to come unfortunately. Well I guess more casual viewers will get shocked if Daenarys dies but really its been building to madness for a while now.

 

[Springs09]

It has something to do with GRRM not writing for the show anymore
He had to stop to concentrate on writing the books

Yeah but different books than the next ASOIAF one. Books 4 and 5 were trash anyway.