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Game of Thrones VIII

Walt Flanigan

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Sansa & Lady not so much. Lady's death was the end of the road for the fairytale, but Sansa is still kicking on.
I used to interpret that as Sansa never really being a Stark. Yes of course she's a Stark by blood but doesn't hold the same values as the others. But in the show at the moment she seems very Stark proud.....or she could just be power hungry.
 

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I think whatever GRRM had in mind for the wolves has been largely forgotten in the TV show. Ghost shows up here and there just to prove he hasn't disappeared but doesn't seem to have any role. That's fine, not every minor detail can make the cut.
 

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I think whatever GRRM had in mind for the wolves has been largely forgotten in the TV show. Ghost shows up here and there just to prove he hasn't disappeared but doesn't seem to have any role. That's fine, not every minor detail can make the cut.

Hasn't it been implied in the books that Jon (and by extension all the starks and their wolves) might also have some sort warging ability with their dire wolves?

It's been a while since I read the books, I I get the show, the books and theories I read muddled up sometimes

Back to the show:
It's sad that Jon's got his new "pet" now (Rhaegal) and has basically ignored Ghost. I know the real life reason is CGI budget but would it of been that hard to have one scene when he got back to Winterfell of Jon and Ghost actually acknowledging each other? And what was the point of having him with the Dothraki and Jorah running head-on at the army of the dead? (and somehow making it back). Wouldn't it of made sense to have him stay with Theon to help protect Bran?
 

Walt Flanigan

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Hasn't it been implied in the books that Jon (and by extension all the starks and their wolves) might also have some sort warging ability with their dire wolves?
Yeah in the books Jon can warg and Arya has "wolf dreams" where she sees through Nymeria's eyes. It's great in the books how Nymeria has formed her own pack and is picking off Frey's.
 

adamkungl

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Hasn't it been implied in the books that Jon (and by extension all the starks and their wolves) might also have some sort warging ability with their dire wolves?

It's been a while since I read the books, I I get the show, the books and theories I read muddled up sometimes

Back to the show:
It's sad that Jon's got his new "pet" now (Rhaegal) and has basically ignored Ghost. I know the real life reason is CGI budget but would it of been that hard to have one scene when he got back to Winterfell of Jon and Ghost actually acknowledging each other? And what was the point of having him with the Dothraki and Jorah running head-on at the army of the dead? (and somehow making it back). Wouldn't it of made sense to have him stay with Theon to help protect Bran?

All the Starks have warging ability either used or hinted at through wolf-dreams in the books.

Does anyone actually buy the CGI budget excuse over a single wolf? They have 3 dragons, zombies, giants, zombie giants, zombie polar bears, huge armies, etc...

It's just a layer of story they've cut because they have no use for it.
 

greenBV4

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It's just a layer of story they've cut because they have no use for it.
True, in an episode like that a single wolf wouldn't of made much difference.

And it's not like Ghost has his own arc and needs a whole story element. Robb always went into battle with his wolf, because why wouldn't you?, and ghost is much older (and I guess that should mean stronger). Why would Jon have him with him in the Battle of the Batards? or take him to dragonstone? or like I said have him guard Bran in the last episode since he was planning on flying.

It would've been cool to have him protect Bran like summer did, or even have Bran warg into him to attack the NK. It probably would of lead to his death (which would've been sad), but if they aren't going to use him in the story anymore then I don't know why they didn't just do that
 

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It's No Hardhome or Battle of the Bastards. Shit, it's not even a Mountain and the Viper.

Frankly, I'm a little unsatisfied. You build up a big bad and that's what we get? An episode?

I know Cersei is down south but the fact that they couldn't merge these two threads together is a bit annoying. Night King's got a dragon. The South is cluttered with corpses from the War of the five kings and the consequent famines. f**k knows how many from the Battle of the Blackwater are just waiting in mass graves. I know it's contrived and I get that the Night King is desperate to destroy the Three Eyed Raven but we get a few more episodes out of this guy and tie the disparate threads together in a more dynamic way. Cersei faces comeuppance from a most unexpected source. Euron is buried before we have to endure him for anymore episodes.

I think having Arya kill him was a magnificent touch but I don't know, Jon Should have at least had a shot. Not win or anything, but a shot. Even if the producers weren't aware of it from the start it makes perfect sense that the faceless girl would be the one to finish the job

The end to Theon's arc was solid as shit. I enjoyed that. He got to save his sister and win respect amongst some Ironborn and won back the love of his real family, and that's all he wanted. It's a good death for a character I've enjoyed and I'm actually a little sad thinking about it. His death itself despite being a bit silly, was the only one that really hit me.

The score at the end was great. The actual final minutes dragged but Ramin Djawadi, who according to my Stephan Molyneux home phrenology kit shouldn't be capable of producing great western art, has consistently smashed the music out of the park.

After watching that I now get why GRRM is never going to finish the books. He can't possibly do his own story the justice it deserves, and I think he's acutely aware of that.

I'm looking forward to the end but it all feels a bit telegraphed now.
 

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so looks like no one cares about jon snow anymore and just wants to see who Arya will kill next lmao

i reckon jon and dany should stay in winterfell and send Arya down to Kings landing to slaughter everyone, she is that good.

i'm joking but I am a bit worried how the rest of this season will end....
 

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so looks like no one cares about jon snow anymore and just wants to see who Arya will kill next lmao

i reckon jon and dany should stay in winterfell and send Arya down to Kings landing to slaughter everyone, she is that good.

i'm joking but I am a bit worried how the rest of this season will end....

Literally no story in the whole run of the show has been given more screen time than Arya training to become an assassin. Why are people so shocked that she’s a stone cold killer?

Jon learned to ride a dragon one week ago and last episode he was going Maverick and Goose vs. The Night King, but its Arya as a badass people have the issue with?
 

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As soon as Ayra got that Dagger I thought she was a good chance to kill the NK, why make a big deal about Bran giving her that famous Dagger???
 

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Starting to think this show ain’t going to end in a satisfying manner.

They spent so much wasted time dragging very little story progression over seasons 5 and 6, and now suddenly it feels like they are rushing through everything too quickly.

The forcing of Euron into the story is where the show lost its way IMO. No one gives a f**k about this guy, and now he’s suddenly some massive player slaying dragons.

They are also really forcing in this conflict between the Starks and Dany.

Tbh the show is collapsing under the pressure of itself.
 

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