Game of Thrones

[redvscotty]

*they're

 

[perverse]

lol, wow, not a single one of you really knows what feminism is. I'm a feminist, and I didn't have a problem with the scene. It wasn't gratuitous, actually the scene was pivotal and very plot relevant. The scenes at Crastor's Keep were far less tasteful and irrelevant. Keep being incredulous about the apparent outrage, though.

There isn't like... a feminist queen that puts down royal decrees on what is and what is not acceptable. People put forth their opinions like anyone else, it's debated, etc... but what disturbs me is that people would make so light of peoples opinions on the scene - and go as far as to ridicule women who took exception to it. If someone is having a very emotive response to the scene, I think everyone would do well to understand that there might be a reason why there's a lot of emotion tied up in it... and that to ridicule it is to be a f**king scumbag of the highest order. I suppose you'd tease an amputee about their missing leg, too.

You're all upset that someone is attacking, or what you perceive as attacking, something you love. Do any of you believe Game of Thrones would be a worse show without rape in it? Do you even care about the topic at all, or is it just blind defence of your favourite show, without a shred of thought?

I suppose in a country where over 50% of the female population has been sexually assaulted in some way, the attitudes in here shouldn't surprise me, but they do. It also shocks me (and not just on this forum) the number of people who have brought up that what Ramsey did wasn't rape because it's legal. Rape doesn't only have a legal definition, and it's terrifying to me that anyone would think that's the case. Have a good look at yourselves - you're basically saying that if you could find a country where rape wasn't illegal, you'd be cool with forcing women to f**k you.

Ultimately, I believe the outrage is manufactured. Yeah, there's been some articles and a lot of discussion about it, but I know a few feminists (unlike the rest of you, apparently) and none of them had a problem with that scene.

 

[Eddie Lab]

*they're

where the hell have you been Stannis? get to winterfell already.

 

[Big Pete]

Excuse me! I'd like to say a couple of truths to the men in this audience. It's your fault we have so much crime in this country! And it's your fault we have so much violence in this country! You are ruining our society, and you should be ashamed!

 

[Misanthrope]

I think perverse should spend less time at feminist rallies and more time at 'How to Undersfand Sarcasm' rallies :lol:

 

[perverse]

Excuse me! I'd like to say a couple of truths to the men in this audience. It's your fault we have so much crime in this country! And it's your fault we have so much violence in this country! You are ruining our society, and you should be ashamed!

Yep, that's exactly how it goes. You have a perfect understanding of the subject matter. I award you full marks and a lollipop, Pete.

I think perverse should spend less time at feminist rallies and more time at 'How to Undersfand Sarcasm' rallies.

No, I understand sarcasm. I personally wouldn't say many of the things in this thread sarcastically or otherwise, and would think less of those who did in my presence. True story, I just don't see the humour in it. It's not a humourous topic to me. Tell me, which sarcasm is it that I'm apparently missing, mate? Seems more like just a convenient blanket statement to dismiss my comments outright.

Do you believe in gender equality? If you do, you're a feminist by definition. No rally attendance required.

 

[Big Pete]

Look, I don't care how many letters we gotta write. The View should be on for three hours. I mean, you just get going, and boom, it's news at noon.

Fightin' the good fight.

 

[perverse]

Not sure if ridiculing me or proving my point.

 

[firechild]

No, I understand sarcasm.

Not sure if ridiculing me or proving my point.

:sarcasm:

 

[perverse]

:sarcasm:

Holy shit, my brain just exploded from irony. You're special, firechild. Just for you mate: I was saying to Pete, using sarcasm, that whilst his intentions were to ridicule my point that it is nearly indistinguishable from a proof of it.

Not a single one of you can actually engage on this topic in the slightest. Keep on truckin' guys.

 

[Misanthrope]

\No, I understand sarcasm. I personally wouldn't say many of the things in this thread sarcastically or otherwise, and would think less of those who did in my presence. True story, I just don't see the humour in it. It's not a humourous topic to me. Tell me, which sarcasm is it that I'm apparently missing, mate? Seems more like just a convenient blanket statement to dismiss my comments outright.

Do you believe in gender equality? If you do, you're a feminist by definition. No rally attendance required.

That's the operative statement here. You don't find it amusing. Some people don't, some people do.

There's no such thing as a topic that can't be joked about. There are just topics that have the potential to offend some more than others.

To answer your question, I'm all for equality. The problem with the concept of 'feminism' is that it has been hijacked by a vocal, man-hating minority. You only need to look at the recent attacks Joss Whedon, one of the most well known examples of a male feminist, to see that it's not some united front. As you say, there's no feminist hierarchy out there laying out guidelines.

Fact is, some of the more angry, vocally aggressive people out there took this as an opportunity to write long, angsty tirades against the show. It should have been treated in the same way the men becrying Mad Max: Fury Road as secretly feminist was, but it wasn't. It was blown out of proportion by the media.

FWIW, my views on rape are pretty extreme. I've known many people who have been victims of sexual assault. I've dated a girl who was sexually assaulted. Hell, I came very close to it happening to me if it hadn't been for the intervention of a friend. Rape is the lowest of the low.

What happened on Game of Thrones was neither gratuitous nor some 'attack' on what people are inexplicably calling a 'strong character' as if she hadn't been a mewling, hateful pain in the ass for the first three or four seasons.

I thought you'd be one of the less likely people out there to make blanket generalisations of people, perverse. I'm actually offended that you'd accuse me of being unable to engage with you on this topic like you're some kind of intellectual superior deigning to share your wisdom with us.

 

[bileduct]

lol, wow, not a single one of you really knows what feminism is.

Here we go, folks, the "no true Scotsman" fallacy at work again.

Game of Thrones is clearly the patriarchy subjugating women through the pervasive use of rape culture.

I'm a feminist

Get help.

 

[perverse]

That's the operative statement here. You don't find it amusing. Some people don't, some people do.

There's no such thing as a topic that can't be joked about. There are just topics that have the potential to offend some more than others.

To answer your question, I'm all for equality. The problem with the concept of 'feminism' is that it has been hijacked by a vocal, man-hating minority. You only need to look at the recent attacks Joss Whedon, one of the most well known examples of a male feminist, came under to see that it's not some united front.

Fact is, some of the more angry, vocally aggressive people out there took this as an opportunity to write long, angsty tirades against the show. It should have been treated in the same way the men becrying Mad Max: Fury Road as secretly feminist was, but it wasn't. It was blown out of proportion by the media.

FWIW, my views on rape are pretty extreme. I've known many people who have been victims of sexual assault. I've dated a girl who was sexually assaulted. Hell, I came very close to it happening to me if it hadn't been for the intervention of a friend. Rape is the lowest of the low.

What happened on Game of Thrones was neither gratuitous nor some 'attack' on what people are inexplicably calling a 'strong character' as if she hadn't been a mewling, hateful pain in the ass for the first three or four seasons.

I thought you'd be one of the less likely people out there to make blanket generalisations of people, perverse. I'm actually offended that you'd accuse me of being unable to engage with you on this topic like you're some kind of intellectual superior deigning to share your wisdom with us.

Well, you hadn't engaged with me on the topic until this post... so I think I'm well within my right to say that. I agree with you on all points except for the point that you seem to be making that I've in any way told anyone what to think, do or say. I said I didn't find it amusing, that the scene was fine even by my standards and the standards of those that I've spoken to about it.

 

[Big Pete]

C

Don't masquerade on a moral high horse especially over something so trivial like a medieval television show with zombies and dragons.

If you want to get your point across, consider adopting a more diplomatic approach instead of a self-righteous one.

Or better yet read the room. Heaven forbid people take the piss out of one another - would hate to see your reaction to a roast.

 

[perverse]

Here we go, folks, the "no true Scotsman" fallacy at work again.

Game of Thrones is clearly the patriarchy subjugating women through the pervasive use of rape culture.


Get help.

Have you read a word I've said? I said the exact opposite of this - that the scene was fine. You all seem to have read the word feminism and lost your shit completely.

 

[perverse]

C

Don't masquerade on a moral high horse especially over something so trivial like a medieval television show with zombies and dragons.

If you want to get your point across, consider adopting a more diplomatic approach instead of a self-righteous one.

Or better yet read the room. Heaven forbid people take the piss out of one another - would hate to see your reaction to a roast.

I'll masquerade however I like Pete, and would support your right to do the same.

 

[bileduct]

Have you read a word I've said? I said the exact opposite of this - that the scene was fine. You all seem to have read the word feminism and lost your shit completely.

No dumbass, you told us all we don't know what feminism is and then I told you exactly what academic feminism and gender studies teaches us about the patriarchy and rape culture and how it would relate to Game of Thrones.

 

[Misanthrope]

Well, you hadn't engaged with me on the topic until this post... so I think I'm well within my right to say that. I agree with you on all points except for the point that you seem to be making that I've in any way told anyone what to think, do or say. I said I didn't find it amusing, that the scene was fine even by my standards and the standards of those that I've spoken to about it.

Which would be all well and good if we hadn't met and hung out on several occasions.

It's a classic argument winning tactic to deprive your opposition of their credibility before they've actually made an argument, so I can't hold it against you. I've done it many a time myself.

Well trolled, sir.

 

[Big Pete]

I'll masquerade however I like Pete, and would support your right to do the same.

It's clearly working out for you.

 

[bileduct]

Fact is, some of the more angry, vocally aggressive people out there took this as an opportunity to write long, angsty tirades against the show. It should have been treated in the same way the men becrying Mad Max: Fury Road as secretly feminist was, but it wasn't. It was blown out of proportion by the media.

That whole nonsense about Mad Max that was attributed to MRAs tracked back to a single blog post by a guy who wasn't even an MRA.

It was highly amusing to see the same people who lapped up delicious male tears over that were then openly boycotting Game of Thrones a few days later.