Game of Thrones

[Springs]

Those characters do not have the position of power that Dany does.
Arya is a child.
Dany's supposed to be whiny because she's like...what...14? She's pretty much a teenager trying to make the right choices like...Robb Stark? Jon Snow?
I don't think she's anything like Joffery she's more like Robb Stark, she's made stupid choices while trying to do the right thing and is also swayed by hormones.
I do agree she's poorly written though.


lol really?
Sansa is about as submissive as you can get.
You are consistent though because you dislike Stannis as well.

I couldn't stand Robb either, on the show at least. His ridiculous decision to marry Talisa was one of the stupidest things anyone could do. I thought their love story on the show was as poorly written as Dany is.

I like Arya, Brienne, Sansa (sometimes) and Olenna (although I found she's mostly wasted on the show, with dialogue often consisting of toilet humour and gay jokes).
The thing is though male fantasy writers have trouble writing female characters altogether. I don't blame them because for me coming up with male characters is far easier, since I'm male. I really can't stand Martin's sex scenes from the women's POV, nor can I stand his attempts on describing a young girl's sexual awakening. The female characters in Wheel of Time are worse and Tolkien barely wrote any female characters at all.

 

[God-King Dean]

Spoiler: ASOIAF

Second to Lady Stoneheart on the list of most hated on there

Spoiler: spoiler

Ugh, don't get me started on that. Biggest cop out.

 

[Misanthrope]

I was okay with the decision in principle, as it is a pretty impressive symbol of what the Red God can do.

 

[Parra]

The Wall is based on Hadrian's Wall, which the remnants of can still be seen.
The Red Wedding is also based on the Black Dinner. The crown of Scotland invited the chiefs of the Douglas clan to dinner and beheaded them.
Also the basic shape is of Great Britain, with King's Landing in the basic area of London.

Pretty sure GRRM has stated that the size of Westoros is something like South America. Fans have made the calculations and of course not everything has added up.

 

[Parra]

I couldn't stand Robb either, on the show at least. His ridiculous decision to marry Talisa was one of the stupidest things anyone could do. I thought their love story on the show was as poorly written as Dany is.

I like Arya, Brienne, Sansa (sometimes) and Olenna (although I found she's mostly wasted on the show, with dialogue often consisting of toilet humour and gay jokes).
The thing is though male fantasy writers have trouble writing female characters altogether. I don't blame them because for me coming up with male characters is far easier, since I'm male. I really can't stand Martin's sex scenes from the women's POV, nor can I stand his attempts on describing a young girl's sexual awakening. The female characters in Wheel of Time are worse and Tolkien barely wrote any female characters at all.

Add his habit of having maesters describe to characters how they "pulled them into the world".

 

[Springs]

Pretty sure GRRM has stated that the size of Westoros is something like South America. Fans have made the calculations and of course not everything has added up.

He has, but the basic shape and geography was based on England.

 

[Springs]

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[Springs]

I was okay with the decision in principle, as it is a pretty impressive symbol of what the Red God can do.

Spoiler: spoilers

The reason I didn't like it was because he's criticised other authors for bringing characters back (namely Tolkien and Gandalf). But then he went and brought a heap back from the dead (or otherwise thought dead). I got annoyed in book 5 when it was revealed Mance was still alive. It was just like 'oh, yet another character isn't dead, these twists are getting worn out'. I also don't really like magic in general as it's a giant deus ex machina nearly every time it's used. 'You're back from the dead, how?' 'Oh, magic'. Like Xena on the Simpsons: 'When something like that happens, a wizard did it...'

 

[Misanthrope]

I wasn't bothered by either of those you mention.

a). Isn't really the same character
b). Was a fun twist IMO

 

[Apey]

I wasn't bothered by either of those you mention.

a). Isn't really the same character
b). Was a fun twist IMO

Yeah but you think it's fun having copious amounts of them in mafia too

 

[God-King Dean]

Spoiler: spoilers

The reason I didn't like it was because he's criticised other authors for bringing characters back (namely Tolkien and Gandalf). But then he went and brought a heap back from the dead (or otherwise thought dead). I got annoyed in book 5 when it was revealed Mance was still alive. It was just like 'oh, yet another character isn't dead, these twists are getting worn out'. I also don't really like magic in general as it's a giant deus ex machina nearly every time it's used. 'You're back from the dead, how?' 'Oh, magic'. Like Xena on the Simpsons: 'When something like that happens, a wizard did it...'

Springs, you really are the best sort of people.

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As you said, he's a hypocrite Re: Gandalf. The reason I hate it is because of the infinite possibility. If you can get to a body within a few days, like Catelyn's, you can bring back anyone. Imagine finding out Joffrey is returned from the dead.

 

[Misanthrope]

Yeah but you think it's fun having copious amounts of them in mafia too

I put a total of one in my last mafia. Blame micky, Bazzi, and AFS for all wishing for them.

Springs, you really are the best sort of people.

Spoiler: spoiler

As you said, he's a hypocrite Re: Gandalf. The reason I hate it is because of the infinite possibility. If you can get to a body within a few days, like Catelyn's, you can bring back anyone. Imagine finding out Joffrey is returned from the dead.

Spoiler: spoiler

I'd hardly call Catelyn's a true resurrection. She comes back as nothing like she was when she was alive, and is basically a vindictive monster in her Lady Stoneheart form

 

[God-King Dean]

I put a total of one in my last mafia. Blame micky, Bazzi, and AFS for all wishing for them.

Spoiler: spoiler

I'd hardly call Catelyn's a true resurrection. She comes back as nothing like she was when she was alive, and is basically a vindictive monster in her Lady Stoneheart form

Spoiler: spoiler

Well that's a big debating point, and one we we're not really gonna know the answer to.

It's true Beric Donadarrion said 'bits get chipped away' (or words to those effect) every time he gets brought back.

But her being vindictive has more to do with her family getting slaughtered.

We'll just have to wait and see. I just thought we were rid of an infuriating character. Imagine if we thought we were finally rid of Daenerys, only to be resurrected. I'd blow my brains out.

 

[Misanthrope]

Reading through the Wiki of Ice & Fire and being reminded just how many characters there are in this damned series. It's a shame there are so many we may never see.

 

[Apey]

Could spend a whole night on that wiki.

 

[Misanthrope]

Could spend a whole night on that wiki.

I would have if I weren't busy with Skyrim.

 

[T.S Quint]

I think people have done pretty well tbh.

If anything your comment is the spoiler because it's now brought my attention to something I had no awareness of.

If that makes sense.

Bottom line is in a thread about GoT, I have no right to complain if someone lets slip a spoiler. I can easily protect myself by doing the smart thing and avoiding this thread.

But alas I love hearing some intelligent views on the show.

I don't see why I should have to avoid this thread to stop the show from being spoiled.
This is the Movies/Music/TV forum, not the book forum.

I don't think it's too much to ask for people to refrain from talking about the books in here. There are a lot of us who don't want to read the books and yet still like to discuss the TV show with other people.

 

[LESStar58]

Do they have a week off episodes because of Easter this week?

 

[umina panther]

Nope

 

[Misanthrope]

Do they have a week off episodes because of Easter this week?

I would have punched Jesus in the nards if that had been the case.