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Misanthrope

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What a brilliant episode. I quite enjoyed the Reek/Ramsay/Yara stuff for what it was, and it certainly made sense that his family might try and rescue him; but the episode was all about that trial. Epic stuff.

I'll confess, I actually shed a tear when Jaime cut the deal to do what he most feared having to do in order to save Tyrion's life. The love between those two is a wonderful thing, and it's one of my favourite aspects of the books.

That speech was epic.

After a few episodes of drifting quite a ways from the source material, it was good to see them do an episode that was almost lifted from the page.
 

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Everything in King's Landing - 10/10. Possibly even better than the Red Wedding. Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin are probably the strongest characters in the show right now and their scenes together were possibly their best character moments so far.

The rest of the episode - meh. Filler. Especially the Yara part which seemed shoved in to tie up the cliffhanger at the end of season 3.

The changes to Shae came to a predictable climax. It didn't detract from the scene, just her character. Betraying Tyrion because she was too stupid to see he was saving her life makes her the dumbest character in the series, and that's quite a feat.

This episode well and truly showed the strength of sticking to the best book in the series by far, compared to creating new material. It will most likely be the opposite come next season, but for now the faithful scenes are easily the best.

Oh and good to see someone (sort of) call out Daenerys for the idiot she is.
 

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I did not do it. I did not kill Joffrey, but I wish that I had.

Watching your vicious bastard die, gave me more relief than a thousand lying whores.

I wish I was the monster you think I am.

I wish I had enough poison for the whole pack of you.
I would gladly give my life to watch you all swallow it.
 

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I did not do it. I did not kill Joffrey, but I wish that I had.

Watching your vicious bastard die, gave me more relief than a thousand lying whores.

I wish I was the monster you think I am.

I wish I had enough poison for the whole pack of you.
I would gladly give my life to watch you all swallow it.

i started fist pumping when he began saying 'i wish i had enough...'
 

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Awesome. Absolutely awesome.

The end of book 3 is probably my favorite part of the whole story, and I'm glad they appear to be sticking pretty close to the material. Not sure how I'm going to wait the 5-6 weeks for the rest of it.
 

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I loved Yara's part:
' He is your Prince! Theon of the Iron Islands! We save him at any cost! ....is that a dog?! Run away!!'
 

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And just plain wrong. Try acting before you throw your ignorance around.

:roll: Mr Expert on everything of course knows. Just conveniently forgets I've already said of my experience.
Coming from someone who gets mad and insulting over a Pokemon game it's a bit rich. Get over yourself Mis.
 
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I studied theatre for over a decade, you dope. I wrote my thesis on representations of masculinity in Australian theatre after the feminist movement. I've been in several large, paid productions in Australia and a sitcom here in China.

But, y'know, I clearly have no idea.

Why on earth would I remember something you said about your experience in some other discussion? It clearly wasn't much, else you wouldn't go around throwing stupid, ill-informed shit around.
 
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Nah mis, acting is just like singing, easy as. Putting actual emotion into your words and making an audience feel is simple as f**k.
 

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Super easy. Writing is a piece of piss too. I don't know why everybody doesn't have an Oscar, an Emmy, and a Pullitzer. Springs is only holding back out of respect for the rest of us.
 

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Hard to argue with any of that. I just find her boring in comparison to Arya, Jamie, Tyrion etc. The first 3 seasons she has been little more than window dressing. Her plot line from here on may see her grab a few more fans. Dependent on how closely they follow the books.
Agreed.
She's strong in some ways but pathetic in others, she's also got like no personality.

With several takes most should be able to.
I love Dinklage but Christ, actors are overhyped.
Harsh but agree somewhat, there are certainly moments like this in every season.
But of course Peter/Tyrion is everybody's homeboyso it's almost like this is the first piece of brilliant acting in the series:roll::roll:
 
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Most of that monologue was about betrayal and anger at every one treating him different his whole life because he is a dwarf. He's been on trial for that his entire life.

Now, most would be able to act that, but Dinklage brought legitimate feeling, because he has obviously gone through and felt extremely similar in his life before, and everyone reacted positively to that. Tell an actor to act angry, they'll do it. Tell a dwarf actor to act betrayed and angry at the world for treating him different and he'll go above and beyond.

But yeah, f**k the audience for feeling the performance.
 

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I studied theatre for over a decade, you dope. I wrote my thesis on representations of masculinity in Australian theatre after the feminist movement. I've been in several large, paid productions in Australia and a sitcom here in China.

But, y'know, I clearly have no idea.

Why on earth would I remember something you said about your experience in some other discussion? It clearly wasn't much, else you wouldn't go around throwing stupid, ill-informed shit around.

I remember your experience.
Thesis on representations of masculinity. Oh FFS. So what?
I studied theatre for six years. Oh wow, everyone better listen to me then.

Here's a bunch of these famous, immensely 'talented' individuals that have given their opinion on their craft. Probably because they aren't a bunch of entitled, self-obsessed pricks who only care about fame:
http://www.digitalspy.com.au/bollyw...kapoor-actors-are-overrated-and-overpaid.html
http://www.hollywood.com/news/celebrities/55027718/actors-who-insist-theyre-overrated
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ls-self-uneducated-vanity-fair_n_2396476.html
http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/1854/sir-ian-mckellen-explains-acting (hilarious video btw)
http://filmschoolrejects.com/review...-tropic-thunder-you-dont-deserve-to-laugh.php
Jennifer Lawrence: 'To you it looks emotionally straining, but I don't get emotionally drained, because I don't invest any of my real emotions. I don't take any of my characters' pain home with me, I don't even take it to craft services. I've never been through anything that my characters have been through. And I can't go around looking for roles that are exactly like my life. So I just use my imagination. If it ever came down to the point where, to make a part better, I had to lose a little bit of my sanity, I wouldn't do it. I would just do comedies'
'I'm doing what I love, and then I get months and months of rest. I have a lot of money for a 21-year-old. I can't stand it when actors complain.'
'It's always been about the script and the director, for me. There are directors that I want to work with and that I admire. You can love a script, but if it doesn't have a good director, it won't be that. I like to adapt to a director's way of working. I love doing that. Each director is so different, and you have to adapt to this new way of doing something. That's what's amazing to me. That's why I love directors. I don't want the director to have to work around me. I think it's more fun for me to come in on their thing'
Better tell them they know nothing and are just ignorant shits. Actors don't even take themselves as seriously as some mindless fans do.

Here's another good article about how despite all the work that goes on in a movie, to most people the finished character seems entirely the work of one actor:
https://www.michigandaily.com/content/film-column-actors-are-overrated

Keanu Reeves gave away his salary for The Matrix because he's not a self-obsessed dick and knew who really made the matrix what is was:
http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/200305283652/keanu/reeves/matrix/

You're a former actor who doesn't like being told that the people on screen aren't Gods among men. You don't like someone disparaging people in a craft you have worked on for so long, so you get edgy. FFS I respect actors, I respect acting on stage very much. I don't respect how celebrities on screen get the attention and credit like they are the most important people on Earth. There isn't some small group of ultra-talented supermen out there that are the only ones who can possibly act out a scene. That's idiotic thinking.
It's a job. It's a f**king job. It's not rocket science, it's not saving lives, it's not any harder than any other skilled job. Everyone who creates movies and shows deserve credit yet it all goes to the actors. Why? Because of mass celebrity worship culture. People can't see beyond a screen. Actors can get 20 million dollars and all the credit for a couple of weeks work, when crew can work their asses off every day for years on one movie and get far less money and no recognition at all.
I have nothing but respect for performers who work 100 straight performances in great musicals but don't get the recognition or the money screen actors do. They have to do a lot more work and are often more talented but that doesn't matter when all that matters is that you're seen on a f**king screen.

Super easy. Writing is a piece of piss too. I don't know why everybody doesn't have an Oscar, an Emmy, and a Pullitzer. Springs is only holding back out of respect for the rest of us.

Yeah that's exactly what i'm saying :roll: Only thing is I've consistently championed writers as they should get more credit and money than they do.

Nah mis, acting is just like singing, easy as. Putting actual emotion into your words and making an audience feel is simple as f**k.

Yeah it's so hard that toddlers, animals and the mentally handicapped can do it.
As for singing, yeah mate, Bob Dylan and Jimi Hendrix are two of the greatest musicians ever. People nowadays say Dylan can't sing. It's not about quality of the singer. As seen on the countless talent shows on TV, there are thousands of great singers. Then there are people who can't sing like Mariah Carey but can sing what the song needs. If quality of the voice was what made a singer, f**king opera singers would be the biggest celebrities around.

Everyone thinks they can be an acting critic because they see it on screen. It means f**king nothing. What does anyone care about when it comes to awards season? Actors. Who is in the news all the time? Actors. Who gets all the credit/ Actors. Why? Because Hollywood is a business and Western society is obsessed with celebrity culture. Actors are focused on because their celebrity names sell movies and sell awards shows, not because they are the most talented people on the planet. The whole thing is a massive farce.
 

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At no point did I say actors were gods or even mention the huge disparity between the amount of work they do and what they earn.

You said that an Emmy award winning actor's work could be done 'with enough takes'. That's just patently wrong, and as an actor I'm surprised you would make the argument that acting is that simple and therefore anybody could do it.

I get 'edgy' because all through Uni I heard I'll informed idiots arguing that acting was easy and anybody could do it. You've poured your heart and soul into a role, so you know it's not something just anybody can pick up a do well. Ditto for any of the creative arts.

The articles you posted are correct. It's not important or necessarily physically 'hard' work, but it's certainly not easy enough that it can just be 'faked' with plenty of takes and crafty camerawork. If you're making the argument about their actual worth and the cult of celebrity, that's another discussion. I wasn't disagreeing with that - just the assumption that what Dinklage (or any actor) does is child's play.

And I don't think anybody other than Keanu Reeves considers what he does acting.
 
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