General off season footy/sport/current affairs chatter

[Gronk]

Learn your history Gronk. It is all doable. We used to do it all when we owned and controlled the Commonwealth bank. You know the peoples bank, up until 1923 that is. Then it was hijacked and we lost our country forever.

The not borrowing money part is insurance against gov not to sell us out and give away the power to issue currency to a middleman/private entity again.

You didn't answer the Q Ram. It's 2012 and you need to pay for all of this. No point whinging about the CBA, that's done and dusted. How are you going to pay for it without borrowing money ?

 

[TheRam]

You didn't answer the Q Ram. It's 2012 and you need to pay for all of this. No point whinging about the CBA, that's done and dusted. How are you going to pay for it without borrowing money ?

If you really want to know check out this link below. FYI what year it is doesn't change good or bad economics. It is what it is. At the moment the world is following a proven floored model. A debit system(bad), not a credit system(good). I suppose though you will come back and tell me that it is way to long and boring or that you get it and it just wont work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-KsDArFM

 

[Gronk]

If you really want to know check out this link below. FYI what year it is doesn't change good or bad economics. It is what it is. At the moment the world is following a proven floored model. A debit system(bad), not a credit system(good). I suppose though you will come back and tell me that it is way to long and boring or that you get it and it just wont work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71-KsDArFM

You don't really know how we are going to pay for the 100 dams and high speed national rail network, do you ?

Here's an idea: why don't you watch the 1:50 video and then come back and tell me how you are going to pay for it ? :roll:

 

[BigErn]

Must be because you hang out in the dole queue all day

Wait... WHAT?!?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Never understood the need for high-speed rail in Australia. I don't think we have the population to make it efficient, particulalry when people can hop on a plane for $49 each way. But I'm with you Ram on the better utilisation of our water resourses.

 

[TheRam]

You don't really know how we are going to pay for the 100 dams and high speed national rail network, do you ?

Here's an idea: why don't you watch the 1:50 video and then come back and tell me how you are going to pay for it ? :roll:

There you go. So predictable.

Gronk I don't want to get into a pissing competition with you. I am just simply telling you there is a better way and we had it for a little while until they took it from us(pollies & bankers). The world is going to sh*t and it all stems from the money supply and all I am saying is that there is a solution and a simple one at that.

But all you want to do is attack and take me to task. Yes I know the video is long, but it is well worth it.

I do know how to pay for it and then sum, but it would take a while to explain it and then you would probably ask many questions, which would be normal. So that is why it is best for people to watch the video.

If you have any questions after that I would be more then happy to answer them for you.

If you do watch it, just remember that the tally stick currency lasted 700 years, the longest of any currency in history.

Also just remember all money in the world today is created with debt except our coins which gov issues and that debt can never be paid off. EVER! That is why if is a ruinous system that needs to be abolished for one that the interest can be paid off.

 

[TheRam]

Oh and by the way. Under a credit based monetary system you would also do away with all income tax. Yes that is right all personal income tax. "0" income tax.

 

[TheRam]

Never understood the need for high-speed rail in Australia. I don't think we have the population to make it efficient, particulalry when people can hop on a plane for $49 each way. But I'm with you Ram on the better utilisation of our water resourses.

I kind of agree, but if you irragate the country properly you will get the population. Easy 50 mill.

 

[NorthShoreEel]

It is scary to read some people's theories on economics in here.

Sounds like they have been to the Joe Hockey School of "Adding with your Fingers".

Cant believe how much some Aussies complain about this country, without looking at what is on offer in the rest of the world.

With our form of stable government - doesnt matter if it is Labor or Liberal in power - we have long been in a very good situation as far as our standard of living is concerned.

Unemployment rates:

Australia : 5.2% (September)

USA : 8.6%
UK : 8.3%
Spain: 21.5%
South Africa : 25%
Russia : 7.6%
Nauru : 90% (this would be 0% if they re-opened the processing plant. Maybe Tone has investments in Naura other than the bat guano?)
New Zealand : 6.6% (this includes sheep, as they are seen as voluntary workers)
Ireland : 14%

Talking about politics is so boring anyway, because nobody is ever going to agree. Pointless arguments.

I would prefer that we all continued to discuss how pleasurable it is to see Moanly feel some pain. :lol:

 

[TheRam]

It is scary to read some people's theories on economics in here.

Sounds like they have been to the Joe Hockey School of "Adding with your Fingers".

Cant believe how much some Aussies complain about this country, without looking at what is on offer in the rest of the world.

With our form of stable government - doesnt matter if it is Labor or Liberal in power - we have long been in a very good situation as far as our standard of living is concerned.

Unemployment rates:

Australia : 5.2% (September)

USA : 8.6%
UK : 8.3%
Spain: 21.5%
South Africa : 25%
Russia : 7.6%
Nauru : 90% (this would be 0% if they re-opened the processing plant. Maybe Tone has investments in Naura other than the bat guano?)
New Zealand : 6.6% (this includes sheep, as they are seen as voluntary workers)
Ireland : 14%

Talking about politics is so boring anyway, because nobody is ever going to agree. Pointless arguments.

I would prefer that we all continued to discuss how pleasurable it is to see Moanly feel some pain. :lol:

Sorry you're an idiot.

 

[Haynzy]

Should gays be allowed the right to legal marriage? I'm an atheist so I believe in equal rights for everyone.

What on earth does atheism have to do with gay marriage? Our PM is an atheist and is against it.

You inference is that people who believe in God don't believe in equal rights.
That may be true for some but definitely not all and it is definitely not what Jesus promoted.

 

[Gronk]

There you go. So predictable.

Gronk I don't want to get into a pissing competition with you. I am just simply telling you there is a better way and we had it for a little while until they took it from us(pollies & bankers). The world is going to sh*t and it all stems from the money supply and all I am saying is that there is a solution and a simple one at that.

But all you want to do is attack and take me to task. Yes I know the video is long, but it is well worth it.

I do know how to pay for it and then sum, but it would take a while to explain it and then you would probably ask many questions, which would be normal. So that is why it is best for people to watch the video.

If you have any questions after that I would be more then happy to answer them for you.

If you do watch it, just remember that the tally stick currency lasted 700 years, the longest of any currency in history.

Also just remember all money in the world today is created with debt except our coins which gov issues and that debt can never be paid off. EVER! That is why if is a ruinous system that needs to be abolished for one that the interest can be paid off.

I'm not interested in a pissing competition either Ram. I just don't get why you just don't give me a simple paragraph on how this country can afford it? Clearly you/we can't change the way the the global economy operates, so how do we as as isolated country of 20m people afford the massive infrastructure projects that you outlined ?

 

[NorthShoreEel]

Sorry you're an idiot.

I dont think you are. Are you? :lol:

 

[TheRam]

What on earth does atheism have to do with gay marriage? Our PM is an atheist and is against it.

You inference is that people who believe in God don't believe in equal rights.
That may be true for some but definitely not all and it is definitely not what Jesus promoted.

I knew someone would bite. :lol:

No, I know everyone has their own reasons why they think the way that do. But I was just having a go at some of the morally righteous on here that are in denial of their moral righteousness.

 

[TheRam]

I'm not interested in a pissing competition either Ram. I just don't get why you just don't give me a simple paragraph on how this country can afford it? Clearly you/we can't change the way the the global economy operates, so how do we as as isolated country of 20m people afford the massive infrastructure projects that you outlined ?

Look I need to go to bed, I just finished a nightshift so I need to sleep. But I will right something later on, no probs. If I don't get a chance when I get up, I will do it tonight.

 

[TheRam]

I dont think you are. Are you? :lol:

Ahh...maybe. :lol:

 

[mickdo]

I'm not interested in a pissing competition either Ram. I just don't get why you just don't give me a simple paragraph on how this country can afford it?

Don't waste your breath, Ram strikes me as a Barnaby Joyce type. Comes out with really zany sounding ideas that appeal to the dim witted, and with absolutely no idea how to actually implement them of course. When pressed, they resort to bluster and evasion. Spot them a mile away.

 

[Delboy]

Don't waste your breath, Ram strikes me as a Barnaby Joyce type. Comes out with really zany sounding ideas that appeal to the dim witted, and with absolutely no idea how to actually implement them of course. When pressed, they resort to bluster and evasion. Spot them a mile away.

That's interesting, you would rather believe the idiot that is the Treasurer, the worst PM in history (Krudd comes a close second), and people like Garrett and Bob Brown and Penny Wong

Compared to that lot, Barnaby Joyce is Einstein, at least he wouldnt attempt to be a small country introducing a massive tax when the rest of the world walk away and we pay through the nose on our own ( very smart economics):crazy:

 

[Gronk]

That's interesting, you would rather believe the idiot that is the Treasurer, the worst PM in history (Krudd comes a close second), and people like Garrett and Bob Brown and Penny Wong

Compared to that lot, Barnaby Joyce is Einstein, at least he wouldnt attempt to be a small country introducing a massive tax when the rest of the world walk away and we pay through the nose on our own ( very smart economics):crazy:

Instead of believing the rhetoric about the "toxic tax", do you actually know how it will impact your family ?

Do you know that the carbon tax will have a lesser effect on the community and the cost of living than the GST did ?

"Communities are looking for real information about their day-to-day costs and savings,'' the chief executive officer of the Australian Council of Social Service, Cassandra Goldie, said. ''For example, the carbon pollution price initially translates into 2¢ extra for bread and a litre of milk, 11¢ for a leg of lamb and 14¢ for a weekly spend on fruit and vegetables, but once you factor in ongoing government assistance, those weekly costs are largely covered and most people end up with money in their pocket.''

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...small-csiro-20111112-1ncvq.html#ixzz1fnu4NC6S
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A family supporting two children on $45,000 a year would have $8.60 more in weekly costs, but gain $11.45 in support. A family on $80,000 a year with two children would be $1.95 a week better off and a family earning $300,000 a year would be $17.90 a week worse off.
Conserving energy in the home could generate savings of $12 per week or more.
Mark and Juliette Farnell, and their two sons Josh, 13, and Ewan, 10, are a typical Melbourne family; he a camera operator, she the owner of a craft shop. Between them they earn $100,000 a year.
They will be $8 better off each week. This is $3 a week better than most people in their situation because, while Mark loves his motorbike, they have a 42-inch plasma TV as well as a Playstation, and the usual array of computers and mobile phones - this family is a model for energy savers.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/e...m-and-gloom-20111112-1nd3v.html#ixzz1fnui471m
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[Delboy]

Gronk, you really cant believe the figures put out by the current government, they couldnt manage a school tuck shop. Council rates have been increased because of the carbon tax with more to come, it is a stupid and unnecessary measure to appease the Greens, give me a break

Comment when China, India,Canada and the USA have a similar tax and the playing field makes sense, not when the Browns of this world have any say in anything