Gerard Sutton demoted to Titans v Warriors clash

[txta2]

15 years as the game's best referee, he will know the rules inside out, you're only disputing this because you're a Cronulla fan and the fact it was a howler of a decision works against you because you'd like to think you deserved to win that game, which you didn't.. and no, I don't care what you did in the first half, Canberra were robbed in that game, twice

No I didn't think we deserved to win that game but in saying that the game was not determined on this try alone. You didn't watch the whole game like nearly everyone else having a say.
And beside the donkey's beat the Sharks from a metre forward pass 3 weeks before hand yet where's the outrage.
Bill Harrigan wanted 1 forward pass allowed in the rules per game.and you can quote that
Fkn dildo

 

[Danish]

Touchie should not of put his bloody flag up end of story. He should of waited for the play to stop then tell the ref. Because the ref knew the ball was not out of play.
If a touchie wants to go to the toilet and puts his flag up...does that mean the ref blows his whistle and play stops. ???There was a reason Bill Harrigan was fired as refs boss.

It does actually. A touchie putting his flag up means play must be stopped. Ref can’t overrule it and call play on, as it disadvantages any player who saw the flag and stopped. It’s the same as a referee blowing his whistle. Even if some by mistake, play cannot continue.

If it turns out the touchie f**ked up, and the ref doesn’t agree with the decision once play has stopped, he can then restart play with a scrum to the team who was in possession prior to the flag going up.

So the correct ruling should have been to stop play, then give a scrum to Cronulla.

 

[footy75]

Insult to the Titans and Warriors...

As if the Warriors need anymore shit officiating...

 

[Leber]

Insult to the Titans and Warriors...

As if the Warriors need anymore shit officiating...

It's not that bad.

We had a "no try" overturned once...

Once.

 

[Leber]

The silver lining in all this is that its now finally being noted how much shit we cop for being an outpost club. Refs, media etc.

 

[thorson1987]

It does actually. A touchie putting his flag up means play must be stopped. Ref can’t overrule it and call play on, as it disadvantages any player who saw the flag and stopped. It’s the same as a referee blowing his whistle. Even if some by mistake, play cannot continue.

If it turns out the touchie f**ked up, and the ref doesn’t agree with the decision once play has stopped, he can then restart play with a scrum to the team who was in possession prior to the flag going up.

So the correct ruling should have been to stop play, then give a scrum to Cronulla.

Yeah it's one of those things that you don't see due to refs and touch judges being miked up. And even before that there are other signals touch judges can give to indicate knock-ons (normal knock on motion with only the one hand) and forward passes (stop and lean back).

 

[JJ]

Insult to the Titans and Warriors...

As if the Warriors need anymore shit officiating...

And the Titans - they seem to get more than their share of awful calls - the game against the Roosters was appalling

 

[Meth]

Hopefully Sutton just wants to keep his head down and get through this match without controversy enough that he features minimally

 

[carcharias]

Hopefully Sutton just wants to keep his head down and get through this match without controversy enough that he features minimally

I can’t see what he did wrong.
He called no try. ( even though that was wrong)
I cannot find anywhere in the rules where it mentions that a ref should stop play if the flag goes up.

It actually says in section 17 43
“The touch judge cannot stop the play for any infringement but he may signal the nature of the infringement if the referee is unsighted “

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/Australian-Rugby-League-Laws-and-Rules-of-the-Game-2017.pdf

These are the 2017 rules
The 2018 rules on the NRL website are shit.
They don’t mention referees interpretations or decisions at all.

If anything he made the right call by waiting for the bunker to check it.

The forward pass call was tough but it’s not like it went backwards.

Carry on.

 

[Crazyperpman]

Looking at the rule books is what is getting the game into this mess.

There is the rule book and then there is the Fair Dinkum Department. Nobody who has ever played or watched a great deal of Footy believes the Sharks deserved that try after the flag went up. Looking at books to justify it is making the situation even worse.

 

[carcharias]

Looking at the rule books is what is getting the game into this mess.

There is the rule book and then there is the Fair Dinkum Department. Nobody who has ever played or watched a great deal of Footy believes the Sharks deserved that try after the flag went up. Looking at books to justify it is making the situation even worse.

In the fair dinkum dept
Do you think he was fair dinkum in the way he held his flag up?

 

[Walt Flanigan]

FMD Sharks fans would argue that water isn’t wet.

 

[Crazyperpman]

In the fair dinkum dept
Do you think he was fair dinkum in the way he held his flag up?

Bloody Oath!

 

[carcharias]

FMD Sharks fans would argue that water isn’t wet.

Well you want to sack the blokes who were on your side.
Sutton said no try
...and the touchie stuck his flag up.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I can’t see what he did wrong.
He called no try. ( even though that was wrong)
I cannot find anywhere in the rules where it mentions that a ref should stop play if the flag goes up.

It actually says in section 17 43
“The touch judge cannot stop the play for any infringement but he may signal the nature of the infringement if the referee is unsighted “

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/Australian-Rugby-League-Laws-and-Rules-of-the-Game-2017.pdf

These are the 2017 rules
The 2018 rules on the NRL website are shit.
They don’t mention referees interpretations or decisions at all.

If anything he made the right call by waiting for the bunker to check it.

The forward pass call was tough but it’s not like it went backwards.

Carry on.

You didn't do enough research then. I refer you to Section 16 (Duties of Referees and Touch Judges), specifically to law 10 which states -

"The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal."

Further, law 13 in the same section states -

"A Touch Judge shall indicate when and where the ball goes into touch by raising his flag and standing opposite the point of entry into touch except in the case of ‘ball back’ (see Section 9 para. 4) when the Touch Judge must indicate that no ground has been gained by waving his flag above his head accentuating the movement in the direction of the kicker’s goal-line."

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Well you want to sack the blokes who were on your side.
Sutton said no try
...and the touchie stuck his flag up.

Who did I say needed to be sacked?

 

[carcharias]

You didn't do enough research then. I refer you to Section 16 (Duties of Referees and Touch Judges), specifically to law 10 which states -

"The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal."

Further, law 13 in the same section states -

"A Touch Judge shall indicate when and where the ball goes into touch by raising his flag and standing opposite the point of entry into touch except in the case of ‘ball back’ (see Section 9 para. 4) when the Touch Judge must indicate that no ground has been gained by waving his flag above his head accentuating the movement in the direction of the kicker’s goal-line."

That still doesn’t have anything to do with a knock on though.

Or are we suggesting he thought Katoa had gone into touch?

 

[insert.pause]

like it or not this is the lowest profile game, it will be the least watched game this round. So it is a demotion for someone apparently considered this years no.1 referee. Not sure why Warriors fans are already whinging as if hes cost them the game before it's even started. Hes no more an advantage or disadvantage to the warriors than any other ref.

 

[carcharias]

Who did I say needed to be sacked?

I should have said people instead of you

 

[Meth]

I can’t see what he did wrong.
He called no try. ( even though that was wrong)
I cannot find anywhere in the rules where it mentions that a ref should stop play if the flag goes up.

It actually says in section 17 43
“The touch judge cannot stop the play for any infringement but he may signal the nature of the infringement if the referee is unsighted “

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/Australian-Rugby-League-Laws-and-Rules-of-the-Game-2017.pdf

These are the 2017 rules
The 2018 rules on the NRL website are shit.
They don’t mention referees interpretations or decisions at all.

If anything he made the right call by waiting for the bunker to check it.

The forward pass call was tough but it’s not like it went backwards.

Carry on.

I'm not really debating what he did wrong, or not. There's been some controversy and some consequence and here we are. This thread isn't about the incident in question. It's examining the apparent balls up of 'demoting' a referee punitively to a first grade game and acknowledging it as such publicly. And my comment was just stating my hope that Sutton is virtually anonymous this weekend and both us and the Titans fans can just watch our teams play footy.