Give Anthony Mitchell a chance

[hindy111]

i think humble may take MK spot

 

[sooperdooper]

I would say DA won't demote MK until KK has signed a new contract, he won't give KK any reason to not sign. If KK knows this then he'll keep stalling so his brother is not dropped. Well, not sure if this is true but I would do that for my brother.

disagree.. while kris obviously likes seeing matt out there. He is man enough to know if his brother is worthy of a spot or not..

 

[lingard]

so I must be the only one who think Mortz had a reasonable game last night...

I agree with you. I`d even go so far as to say he had a very good game.
I think the die is cast and Mortimer will be our long-term half. Now, if we had a VERY good five-eight, that would do just nicely - Mortimer plus a VERY good five-eight. Now I know Kris Keating has had more than his fair share of injuries, but I`m yet to be convinced that he is the one who is knocking on the door and saying "I`m your man. I`m your long-term, brilliant five-eight." I think Keating would be good if he had another brilliant half or five-eight beside him. But that won`t happen at the Eels. Mortimer will turn out to be a very good half, but not a brilliant one, I don`t think.
But now we have Tom Humble, who is a specialist five-eight. Not a half, not a fullback, but a specialist five-eight. And he just might be the one. I think he`s well and trully knocking at the door and saying, "Hey, guys, consider me; I might be the one you`ve been looking for".
Which to my way of thinking leaves Kris Keating as the odd man out - unless he can replace his brother as the impact hooker off the bench.

 

[Gronk]

I agree with you. I`d even go so far as to say he had a very good game.
I think the die is cast and Mortimer will be our long-term half. Now, if we had a VERY good five-eight, that would do just nicely - Mortimer plus a VERY good five-eight. Now I know Kris Keating has had more than his fair share of injuries, but I`m yet to be convinced that he is the one who is knocking on the door and saying "I`m your man. I`m your long-term, brilliant five-eight." I think Keating would be good if he had another brilliant half or five-eight beside him. But that won`t happen at the Eels. Mortimer will turn out to be a very good half, but not a brilliant one, I don`t think.
But now we have Tom Humble, who is a specialist five-eight. Not a half, not a fullback, but a specialist five-eight. And he just might be the one. I think he`s well and trully knocking at the door and saying, "Hey, guys, consider me; I might be the one you`ve been looking for".
Which to my way of thinking leaves Kris Keating as the odd man out - unless he can replace his brother as the impact hooker off the bench.

I've heard Ando say many times that in the modern game you basically have a half on each side of the ruck. The traditional half and 5/8 (and fullback for that matter) roles are yesterdays newspaper.

 

[lingard]

so do you think DA will drop him? personaly it's going to take more than last nights effort to drop a a guy like M Keats down to PL..

But...but.....but......he`s been playing like sh*t all year! ( And all some people are able to see is that 'from up high in the stands, Jeff Robson`s service looked slow against Cronulla'. )
What we need is an impact hooker in the same mould as Kingston to come on at half-time and inject something. Matt Keating is clearly not that man. Robson is a better kooker than him (even though he`s not really a hooker and has had hardly any experience in the position.)
So the question really is - how long will it be before Anthony Mitchell will be ready to replace Matt Keating?

 

[jk13]

is mitchell a good defender?
it seems to me that defence is keeping mk in the team, especially with stains and cheats on the horizon

 

[lingard]

I've heard Ando say many times that in the modern game you basically have a half on each side of the ruck. The traditional half and 5/8 (and fullback for that matter) roles are yesterdays newspaper.

I don`t agree with that. I think there`s still room in today`s game for a traditional five-eight. Look at Lockyer. He`s a half-back? Don`t make me laugh. He`s a full-back/five-eight. Look at John Sutton. Look at Braith Anasta. Greg Bird. None of them even go close to being in the half-back mould. Look at Jamie Lyon. Half-back? I don`t think so. Trent Barrett. I know he has played half before, but he`s much more in the lock/five-eight mould.

 

[Parra Guru]

Terry Campese!!

 

[caylo]

I don`t agree with that. I think there`s still room in today`s game for a traditional five-eight. Look at Lockyer. He`s a half-back? Don`t make me laugh. He`s a full-back/five-eight. Look at John Sutton. Look at Braith Anasta. Greg Bird. None of them even go close to being in the half-back mould. Look at Jamie Lyon. Half-back? I don`t think so. Trent Barrett. I know he has played half before, but he`s much more in the lock/five-eight mould.

Unless you have one dominate half (Campese, Thurston, Prince, Cronk) then then most teams use left and right half (manly - foran left, Hodkinson right. Eels - KK right, Mortz left, even penrith and St George play it to an extent).

I would say Brisbane and Cronulla are the only teams that play the pure halfback/5-8 partnership. Most teams have the 5-8 as more a defencive player with some ball playing skills at 5-8 and the fullback playing as a 2nd 5-8 rather then a support player.

I think KK and Mortz tried to play a more traditional first and second reciever against the Sharks but we lost our structure in attack. ATM i think these two are too inexperianced to organise the team so playing two sided attack allows KK or Mortz to organise one side of the field and Hayne to essentially play as a second reciever on either side.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I don`t agree with that. I think there`s still room in today`s game for a traditional five-eight. Look at Lockyer. He`s a half-back? Don`t make me laugh. He`s a full-back/five-eight. Look at John Sutton. Look at Braith Anasta. Greg Bird. None of them even go close to being in the half-back mould. Look at Jamie Lyon. Half-back? I don`t think so. Trent Barrett. I know he has played half before, but he`s much more in the lock/five-eight mould.

Lockyer does play like a halfback but more in the second reciever role.

Sutton, Anasta, Bird...yes none are in the half back mould, but they are more in the lock mould, not traditional five eights.

Jamie Lyon, center.

Barrett?....Id say he is almost the perfect mix of halfback and five eight.

Terry Campese is a good traditional five eight, Thurston would be too if he wore the 6 and was second reciever more often.

Teams play five eights in 2 different ways these days. 1 as extra forwards with a bit of a kicking game and 2 as second playmakers. They dont necessarily stick to the one side of the field each, but its the same basic principal. The hooker and fullback role has compensated by becoming more significant now in the play making roles.

 

[yy_cheng]

Unless you have one dominate half (Campese, Thurston, Prince, Cronk) then then most teams use left and right half (manly - foran left, Hodkinson right. Eels - KK right, Mortz left, even penrith and St George play it to an extent).

I would say Brisbane and Cronulla are the only teams that play the pure halfback/5-8 partnership. Most teams have the 5-8 as more a defencive player with some ball playing skills at 5-8 and the fullback playing as a 2nd 5-8 rather then a support player.

I think KK and Mortz tried to play a more traditional first and second reciever against the Sharks but we lost our structure in attack. ATM i think these two are too inexperianced to organise the team so playing two sided attack allows KK or Mortz to organise one side of the field and Hayne to essentially play as a second reciever on either side.

Doggies with Kimmorley is very traditional half controlling the play.

Same with Orford at Manly in the past.

Slater on the footy show said that Cronk controls the play but I think he gets good help from Smith.


I agree with Caylo. If you have the good organizing half, then you can play traditionally.

If you don't then you play like us, one on the left and one on the right.

The problem is is when we are in trouble neither would step up and the team looks lost. With Hayne there, it is different as he takes over irrespective of whether it is the right or left side.

Just a thing on people saying that Mateo should've stepped up without Hayne. But Mateo has been told to play a wide running backrowers role and spends a long number of minutes on the bench.

If he overrode, Mortz and KK, he would be going against the coach's gameplan.

So was he supposed to do what, make more meters? He didn't throw any stupid passes.

 

[Bigfella]

Couldn't agree more yy. Coach's biggest gripe was selfish play forced kicks and pushed passes. Mateo played the head down bum up role that has been forced on him, and the halves failed to step up and others panicked.

 

[lingard]

Unless you have one dominate half (Campese, Thurston, Prince, Cronk) then then most teams use left and right half (manly - foran left, Hodkinson right. Eels - KK right, Mortz left, even penrith and St George play it to an extent).

I would say Brisbane and Cronulla are the only teams that play the pure halfback/5-8 partnership. Most teams have the 5-8 as more a defencive player with some ball playing skills at 5-8 and the fullback playing as a 2nd 5-8 rather then a support player.

I think KK and Mortz tried to play a more traditional first and second reciever against the Sharks but we lost our structure in attack. ATM i think these two are too inexperianced to organise the team so playing two sided attack allows KK or Mortz to organise one side of the field and Hayne to essentially play as a second reciever on either side.

Well, my whole point is that (from what I`ve seen - could be wrong, though) Tom Humble could end up being that dominant half for Parramatta. In which case he would play five-eight (because I think he is a specialist five-eight) and Mortimer would play half. I said this in the first place and was prompty informed that there is no such thing anymore (which is, of course, bullsh*t). So we`ve gone round in a circle and have ended back where we started. By the way, Cronk is not really a dominant half, and Campese is a five-eight.
I`m not trying to make an argument, it`s just that you and Gronk aren`t making sense.

 

[Stagger eel]

just on Ant Mitchell..

I believe he hurt an ankle at training and could be gone for a couple of weeks..

 

[lingard]

Doggies with Kimmorley is very traditional half controlling the play.

Same with Orford at Manly in the past.

Slater on the footy show said that Cronk controls the play but I think he gets good help from Smith.


I agree with Caylo. If you have the good organizing half, then you can play traditionally.

If you don't then you play like us, one on the left and one on the right.

The problem is is when we are in trouble neither would step up and the team looks lost. With Hayne there, it is different as he takes over irrespective of whether it is the right or left side.

Just a thing on people saying that Mateo should've stepped up without Hayne. But Mateo has been told to play a wide running backrowers role and spends a long number of minutes on the bench.

If he overrode, Mortz and KK, he would be going against the coach's gameplan.

So was he supposed to do what, make more meters? He didn't throw any stupid passes.

That`s my point. I don`t think it has to work that way. Irrespective of the dominance of the half-back, I think there is still room in the game for a classical five-eight. Now, it might also help if either your half OR YOUR HOOKER was a playmaker; but I reckon even with Mortimer at 7 and Robson at 9, Humble could very successfully fill the role of a classic specialist five-eight. In fact, I`ll be very surprised if it doesn`t happen.
And if Daniel Anderson is so convinced that teams these days need two half-backs (as was mentioned previously) why did he try Jarryd Hayne at five-eight last year (outside Robson or Finch? - neither of them dominant half-backs) and why did he put Leon Price at five-eight when he coached in England? I think we`ll see Humble at five-eight soon enough.

 

[yy_cheng]

That`s my point. I don`t think it has to work that way. Irrespective of the dominance of the half-back, I think there is still room in the game for a classical five-eight. Now, it might also help if either your half OR YOUR HOOKER was a playmaker; but I reckon even with Mortimer at 7 and Robson at 9, Humble could very successfully fill the role of a classic specialist five-eight. In fact, I`ll be very surprised if it doesn`t happen.
And if Daniel Anderson is so convinced that teams these days need two half-backs (as was mentioned previously) why did he try Jarryd Hayne at five-eight last year (outside Robson or Finch? - neither of them dominant half-backs) and why did he put Leon Price at five-eight when he coached in England? I think we`ll see Humble at five-eight soon enough.

You just need a ball player at 6 or 7. Like Brisbane, Lockyer at 6 was the ball player.

With KK and Mortz, DA probably doesn't think that either could control the whole 80 mins and so have split it.

However, tonight, the game plan was wrong. Ben Smith, Wright, INU had no spark in them at all. They should of either just attacked on the left or go right and quickly sweep it left.

Even though Tahu had a shocker, that side had more potential at scoring than the right side.

What happened to the 2nd phase again? We didn't really try it until we had to play catch up footy. We CANNOT play CHESS with the dragons. They are the masters at it. :roll:

 

[Delboy]

Keating 7 - Humble 6 is the way forward, by the way Mitchell is out until after the bye, did his ankle at training

 

[lingard]

Keating 7 - Humble 6 is the way forward, by the way Mitchell is out until after the bye, did his ankle at training

You might be right, Dellboy. It`s a bit confusing, though; because most people on here see Keating as a five-eight (I don`t). You think he`d make a good half-back?

 

[parra pete]

Is this bloke Mitchell any good? He always seems to be out wounded.
It always seems to be "next year" is his go....
As far as I can recall he has been in the top 25 for about 3 seasons, and hasn't been anywhere NEAR a NRL start.

 

[Mr Angry]

Keating X 2 to play hooker for parra.