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No offence Gav, but I don't believe so; not if the definition of the word evaporation is: to dissipate or draw off in vapor or fumes.
An ice cube is just frozen water (liquid). Is it not? Therefore, the cube has to melt inside the glas with the liquid it has 'bonded' with. True?If it has to melt, and bond with the allready present liqiud,than the overall liquid level must rise. Right? At least from it's original level.
It's never made sense to me. I hope I'm not blowing air bubbles :)
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ex-manager

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This is out of my league Raidpatch. But doesn't the ice cube stay at the surface? Therefore, couldbe evaporation? I don't believe that ice melts within water and that it doesn't bond with surrounding liquid.

But then, thanks to the strange curriculum our school had,physics wasn't available throughout.

 

Willow

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Raidpatch:
The ice cubes displace theliquid so the level of theliquid rises.
But the volume remains the same as they melt.

Archimedes of Syracuse was one of those ancient philosophers and all-roundmad professor types whoinvented some wonderful things including a way to work out weights and measures.
While in the bath one day, he deduced that the amount of water which is displaced is equal to the mass which is submerged into it.
He used this to later work out how to measure gold and silver quantities by dropping the metals into water vessels.

I'm sure you've heard the story about Archimedes running through the streets of Syracuse buck-naked and yelling 'Eureka..." after making this wonderous discovery.

 
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I think I'll dwell over this one on the plane and car ride onmy way toMelbourne this evening.
Thanks guys. Must agree though it is interesting...at least for me :)
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Willow

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Offcourse on a hot day its possible to get a little bit of evaporation as Gav says but surely this is miniscule...


A question:
In Australia, like the UK and NZ, we drive on the left hand side of the road. The longest contunual road in the world, Highway No1, goes all the way around Australia. Don't know for sure, but for arguments sake, lets say it's 15,000 kms long.
Now the question...
If we were to drive around Australia in a clockwise direction, it stands to reason that we are going the long way...given that the left side is on the outer ring.

Now..how much distance would saved by driving around Australia in an anti clockwise direction?

 
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Set the trip metre and drive back Willow
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Willow

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Birds are often fried on power lines but for this to happen they have to earth themselves onto another object while touching the power line.

Electricity is always looking for a way to get to the ground.
If you touch a live power line, you will probably be electrocuted because you are standing on the ground (or on a roof or a ladder). The Electriciy uses you as a conduit to get to the ground and therefore an electric shock passes through you.

The birds are safe as long as they dont put one claw on the electricity pole.

 

imported_kier

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I'm not 100% sure, but with the ice question I think it may be due to the fact that water (uniquely) reaches its' highest density at 4 degrees C - when a liquid rather than solid.

Perhaps when ice is added to a drink it cools the liquid surrounding the ice and contracts the total volume.

I'm sure the whole thing is a combinatioan of several factors though.
 
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I'm no physics expert Joe. Just a very interested fan of a great subject. My answers are copied &pasted from a great website I have bookmarked which I frequent often as well as post questions on. I've found a couple of answers to earlier questions asked-

How is it that birds can sit on livepower lines all dat long,and not end up a Colonel Sandersspecial (Kentucky Fried Chicken)?


Actually, if we were to sit on a power line and not touch anything else like the birds do, we <u>would not get electrocuted! </u>The reason for this has to do with the fact that current, a flow of electrons, flows along a path of least resistance. The electrons want to get to where they are going in the easiest possible way, much like a person might walk on the sidewalk instead of the grass because it is easier. When a bird sits on a wire and the electrons reach the part of the wire where the bird is sitting, the electrons have two options. They could go through the bird's feet and encounter a large amount of resistance or they could go through the metal. All metals are conductors which means that electrons flow through them easily. Because it is easier to travel through the metal instead, the electrons don't go through the birds feet, so the bird stays safe.
The same thing would happen if a person sat on a wire and the electrons would go through the wire instead of through the person. If, however, the person reached out to a tree or anything else connected with the ground, there is a new path of lower resistance and the electrons would go through the person to the ground, electrocuting him.

Why is it that the liquid level remains the same when you pour ice cubes into a drink, after they have melted? Shouldn't the level rise once the ice has melted?


The water level willremain the same when the ice cube melts.
A floating object displaces an amount of water equal to its own weight. Since water expands when it freezes, one ounce of frozen water has a larger volume than one ounce of liquid water. A completely submerged ice cube weighing one ounce, for example, displaces MORE than one ounce of liquid water. The cube will rise until the volume remaining under the surface displaces only one ounce of water.
If you could remove the ice cube and leave a "hole" in the water where the cube used to float without disturbing the surrounding water, that hole would take exactly one ounce of liquid water to fill. Let the ice cube melt. Since it is now one ounce of liquid water, putting it back into the "hole" will exactly fill it and leave the remaining water undisturbed.
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Willow

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Well done RB..lol...nothing like repeating whats been said.
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Interesting site, whats the URL?
 

imported_Outlaw

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imported_Kaon

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Gav, in reply to message 355. Sorry i'm late but it's hard to get free time these days.

There is no definite proof that the speed of light can't be breeched. Whether we can travel faster than light depends on the real structure of the space-time <span>continuum </span>(which is not known yet.)

If we used Galilean space which we usually use for low speeds which assume that there is an absolute 'time', we can travel faster than light. If we use Minkowski like we do in special relativity, it assumes that time is not constant and we can travel faster than time.

The most advanced one that i have studied so far is General Relativity which uses Reimann space and it is possible, provided that the space-time metric of the universe is globally hyperbolic. This condition simply implies that closed time-like paths in space-time (and thus time-travel) are excluded, so that causality is again preserved. (In this framework, the cosmological time parameter can be again interpreted as the absolute time of the universe. However, in order to construct a propulsion mechanism for faster-than-light travel, exotic matter (with imaginary mass) would probably be needed in order to produce negative energy densities in space. Unfortunately, exotic matter is not known to exist, although negative energy densities have been shown to appear in quantum field theory. But, of course, such a hypothetical propulsion mechanism just provokes to be given the familiar name of the warp drive.http://www.astro.cf.ac.uk/groups/relativity/papers/abstracts/miguel94a.html




This isn't really my own effort. It's basically a cut and paste job from the 'simplest' site i could find with a bit of my own running commentary. Do i personally think we can travel faster than light? I think we can but haven't made technological advancements to even think of putting the theory into practice. Hopefully it's not too far into the future.

If you want to read the whole thing, go to http://home.sunrise.ch/schatzer/space-time.html
 

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