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imported_kier

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I didn't know the US spelt aliminium differently.......I thought it was purely a pronuciation difference.

While on the subject of accents does anyone here have any knowledge on the Universal Interogative (I think that's its' name) the speech system beloved of aussies, kiwis and californians where a questioning lift is put at the end of spoken sentences/statements.

As David Hadfield put it in "XIII Worlds"

Instead of saying 'I went to the game in Thames', a kiwi has to say 'I went to the game in Thames?' - which is to say ' I think I went to Thames, if that's alright with you, but feel free to correct me if you think I have been mistaken'.

Since marrying a kiwi it's something I've thought about a fair bit and it's lead me to two theories. Both based on the fact that the UI makes a person sound very friendly.

The first is that it seemed to me that the countries/areas where the UI is common are places which were until recently "frontier country". Often surviavl was dependent on the help and goodwill of others. As a result how people spoke - especially to strangers was highly important. My theory is that the UI developed out of the need to have a highly friendly/helpful means of spoken communication between people.

The second thought of mine is about the "whinging Pom" cliche. It follows from the earliers theory but is liked to my belief that the British sound unhappy/sullen purely because the use of a rising inflection is really only evident in direct questions.

example - A Briton saying"it was a good game" meaning I thought that was a good game. Would be heard by an aussie/kiwias - I thought that game was crap because it would be delivered "flat" with the inference taken that it was a grudging, insincere comment.

As I said only theories that I've been toying with - what do others here think?




 
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A couple of more (last two)for you Vertigo. If I may please...

Bootycall & 187

BTW: here is the US version (notice the pronounciation and spelling of the two)of the word from www.websters.com--

Main Entry: alu·mi·num <a target=_top>
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Pronunciation: <tt>&amp;-'lü-m&amp;-n&amp;m</tt>
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: New Latin, from alumina
Date: 1812
: a bluish silver-white malleable ductile light trivalent metallic element that has good electrical and thermal conductivity, high reflectivity, and resistance to oxidation and is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust where it always occurs in combination
And here is the Aussie version from http://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/--
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/ noun a silver-white metallic element, light in weight, ductile, malleable, and not readily oxidised or tarnished, occurring combined in nature in igneous rocks, shales, clays, and most soils. It is much used in alloys and for lightweight utensils, castings, aeroplane parts, etc. Symbol: Al; relative atomic mass: 26.9815; atomic number: 13; density: 2.70 at 20°C. Also, US, aluminum. [New Latin, from Latin: alum] </dd></dl>
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ozbash

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Yes , very good questions there kier, and fortunately, i am able to answer them for you-truthfully.(as opposed to an aussie answering them untruthfully!! )
nz has long been regarded as the jewel of the pacific with its people the diamonds.we are a very caring race who enjoy nothing better than making a visitor feel welcome.we have,over the course of a few years, developed a speech pattern that is inclined to make the person being spoken to think there is a question being asked.(sean fitzpatrick-all black capt- developed it to a fine art.eg "full credit to the boys today"? )john eales on the other hand would say "the boys played like shit today".
we prefer to be non confrontational and nice.

nz people do not like to hurt others feelings,we are tactful,thoughtful and humble.
i think you are mistaken with the "whinging pom" analogy,,you would never hear it hear unless it was uttered by an australian.

so in conclusion, you will be made to feel very welcome in august,you will feel the affection kiwis still hold for people from the mother-country.

 

ex-manager

Juniors
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If your average pom sounds miserable to the Antipodean lugoil, how the hell would my bluntTyke talksound?

There are some area's of England - I think it's around the southeast midlands andEast Anglia region - where the accent sounds somewhat similar to the Aussie.


 

imported_Outlaw

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What's with this fashion nowadayswhere young school kids and teenagers are wearing their jeans around or even belowtheir arse cheeks and having to pull them up every two steps they take? Heaven helped them if they decide to run.

Where did this fashion disaster originate from? I know it's from America, but what's its origin? It's a joke!
 

Atilla

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The question posted on reply 108 has bothered me for a while also. I hope someone can give the answer. Maybe one of our overseas correspondents...?
 

imported_kier

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In answer to the clothing question - It's a fashion called "jailing" the idea is to represent the look of someone taken into police custody.

It's supposed to look as if the belt/braces, and shoelaces have been removed (standard practice for pretty muchevery police force in the world).

Also, linked to this fashion is the trend for the wearing of a long (and useless) silver chain. Thsi is meant to symbolise the chains of the chain gang.

As you can imagine the look has its' origins in black USA youth culture.

I can't say about other countries, but in the UK the look has been adopted solely by white, middle class 13-16 "skaters".......pretending to be radical (but only after they've done their homework).
 
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How come train drivers don't speak english anymore?? I picked up on that today, catching a train to 'Granville' that somehow got pronounced...'Glannnvikichille'

Moffo.
 

Willow

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Fair dinkum Moffo...to hear that sort of stuff coming froma man of your class.

Its been common knowledge for years now that the RTA, under the direction of the transport workers unionhas made special effort to install boxy sounding speakers into every state rail platform.

The reasoning is obvious. If people could hear the destination, they may inadvertedly get on the correct train and show up to work on time. By not being able to decypher the announcement, workers have aperpetual excuse for showing up to work late.

This was something that transport workers fought and died for.
 
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Vertigo

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Bootycall: To 'make' a bootycall, is to visit a women (or a man) usually in the late/early hours of the night purely for sexual reasons. I think you know what I'm saying...

187: Is actually the Federal penal code for a murder/homicide. It is the state of California's police radio call-sign for a murder/homicide.

Vertigo.
 
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Vertigo

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Kier is correct with Outlaw's question. Just to add, the trend was first 'grabbed' by the rappers here in the US. Because the rap musicindustry has a huge following (mainly with the youngAfrican-American and street gang crowd) it caught on very swiftly. It was first soley adapted for 'image' purposes, as the 'look' and 'feel' of a convict (or ex) was considered a 'hard' or 'tough' look...and still is. Beats me.
Vertigo


 

Willow

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Homicide is a generic term.
It refers to killing of a human being.

Murder is more distinct. It refers to the pre-meditated (pre-plannned) killing of another human being.

In law, homicide needs to be broken down into categories. For example, 'Manslaughter' loosely meansthe deliberate or accidental killing of another human.
It is not as serious as murder because it is not pre-meditated. Self defence is another and I'm sure there are some others.

They all fall under 'homicide'.
 

imported_kier

Juniors
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I had always thought the quote "The Greatest Game" was attributed to Dally Messenger (from a old newspaper intrview when he was still a recent convert to RL). Is this true?
 

Willow

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I believe the term 'greatest game of all' came well after Dally Messenger. I'm not sure if anyone knows the true origin but my understanding is that it was a UK sports journalist who coined the term in an effort to stick it up the Union establishment. This was post-war.
I think we need to call on the expertise of Albert Rosenfeld, Yakstorm or a host of other learned fellow forummers to confirm this.
 

imported_Outlaw

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Why do we refer to someone who shoots a prominent person as an assassin and not a murderer? A friend at work asked me to pose that question and 'tis a good one.
 

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