Gogglebox & I'm a celebrity, get me out of here

[some11]

I give them one episode each before they get shitcanned.

I don't watch Ten for their regular programming anyway, only movies on One and Formula 1 which is going to be cannibalized by Fox after 2015 thanks to Lachlan Murdoch.

 

[Eelementary]

um this thread wont effect the amount of viewers these shows are going to get. free publicity lol.

the problem is society has accepted this rubbish format instead of making a proper stand by turning the tv off and now television stations are going to ram it down our throats until the end of time.

Yeah, because nobody uses social media to advertise, right? Nobody capitalises on it, eh?

:lol:

f**king noob. Wake up.

 

[Someone]

you're an idiot if you think this thread will bump up the viewers numbers by a major total mate. How many views has this thread had? 500?

The social media version of word of mouth is an affective way to advertise? yeah.

but..

You went out of your way to call out the OP for creating a thread in a small time forum suggesting he was just adding fuel to fire, and hence suggesting it was a subject people couldn't possibly talk about.

You are wrong on both accounts. You lose. You win nothing. Good day sir.

 

[T.S Quint]

The chances of someone reading this thread who actually has a ratings box in their house are small.
Couple that with the fact that if there was someone who has a box reading this thread, the chances of them watching these shows takes the percentage down even further.

 

[Bulldog Force]

So I jumped on wikipedia just out of curiosity now to see who the 'big name' household name known world-wide is. Not to my surprise... MARCIA BRADY! Yep... she was a household name... over 40 years ago :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against Maureen McCormick at all, but the way this celebrity was advertised made it seem like... gee's someone who's currently in the spotlight, like... gee's I don't know, go to IMDB and take a look for yourself.

So glad I'm not watching this shit.

 

[Danish]

Blame the Australian public for the shit we have on our television, not the tv channels.

20 years ago you could watch the Emmys and every show that won the major gongs was on TVs and popular here. These days the amount of Emmy winning shows across all channels is maybe 2... And one of those is f**king Big Bang Theory.

All the shows that sweep the awards have tried to be launched here by various FTA channels, but fail miserably.

Fact is Australians have shit taste in TV.

 

[azzah72]

Blame the Australian public for the shit we have on our television, not the tv channels.

20 years ago you could watch the Emmys and every show that won the major gongs was on TVs and popular here. These days the amount of Emmy winning shows across all channels is maybe 2... And one of those is f**king Big Bang Theory.

All the shows that sweep the awards have tried to be launched here by various FTA channels, but fail miserably.

Fact is Australians have shit taste in TV.

Pretty much spot on.

 

[Bulldog Force]

Pretty much spot on.

It's just like celebrity big brother... only in a jungle.

 

[cumberlandsashes81]

If I didn't already hate them I would almost feel sorry for these Gogglebox families... I can only imagine the abuse they're destined be subjected to via Social Media.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/gogglebox-cast-revealed-meet-the-10-households-coming-to-aussie-tv-screens/story-fn8yvfst-1227205095552

 

[Wizardman]

Marcia Brady..hahahahaha. Ten are f**ked.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Blame the Australian public for the shit we have on our television, not the tv channels.

20 years ago you could watch the Emmys and every show that won the major gongs was on TVs and popular here. These days the amount of Emmy winning shows across all channels is maybe 2... And one of those is f**king Big Bang Theory.

All the shows that sweep the awards have tried to be launched here by various FTA channels, but fail miserably.

Fact is Australians have shit taste in TV.

The TV channels do have to take some of the blame as they either do things like completely mis-market the show - Channel 10 did that when they had the rights to Torchwood (a Doctor Who spin off series). Instead of marketing it as a sci-fi show, or trying to plug into by comparing it to the X-Files, all of Channel 10's marketing for it would have had you believe it was a police/crime drama series :crazy:

The other thing they do is they get a new series and then move it all over the schedule, it will be screened at different times every week, rarely the same time slot twice in a row. Hard to build an audience when one week it is on at say 7.30 pm, next week you are lucky if it is on at mid-night (hello Channel 9 with Arrow series 2).

Final problem is the lag between when the show is made and televised overseas and when our free to air channels screen it. It is not uncommon for our free to air channels to still be 12-24 months behind. For example, when Channel 9 decided to start televising Arrow Series 2, Arrow series 3 was 2 weeks away from being shown in the US.

As to the shows, Gogglebox is also on Foxtel. Fox must think it such a great show they put it on that "popular" channel called "The Lifestyle Channel" :lol: Frak the show looks like a load of manure.

As to I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here" it also originated in the UK. Really sad part, in the UK, it has had 14 seasons to date :shock:

 

[T.S Quint]

Blame the Australian public for the shit we have on our television, not the tv channels.

20 years ago you could watch the Emmys and every show that won the major gongs was on TVs and popular here. These days the amount of Emmy winning shows across all channels is maybe 2... And one of those is f**king Big Bang Theory.

All the shows that sweep the awards have tried to be launched here by various FTA channels, but fail miserably.

Fact is Australians have shit taste in TV.

Pretty much spot on.
The networks don't help though. But the people who want the quality stuff already have watched it on Foxtel, or downloaded it through torrents.
By the time it gets to network TV, anyone who wants to see those shows hs already seen them. I remember when Dexter first started getting shown on FTA (can't remember which channel). I think I had already seen the first 3-4 seasons by that stage.
The good shows cost a lot of money to make. The TV networks don't want to take the risk of shelling out money for something that could fail. That's what's so great about HBO, Showtime, FX and Netflix...they take the risks and are reaping the rewards.

Then again, Aussie TV can't seem to create their own high-quality shows. Even when they do pump some money into something we get crap like Underbelly (which I know gets good ratings, but it is generally shit).

 

[T.S Quint]

The TV channels do have to take some of the blame as they either do things like completely mis-market the show - Channel 10 did that when they had the rights to Torchwood (a Doctor Who spin off series). Instead of marketing it as a sci-fi show, or trying to plug into by comparing it to the X-Files, all of Channel 10's marketing for it would have had you believe it was a police/crime drama series :crazy:

The other thing they do is they get a new series and then move it all over the schedule, it will be screened at different times every week, rarely the same time slot twice in a row. Hard to build an audience when one week it is on at say 7.30 pm, next week you are lucky if it is on at mid-night (hello Channel 9 with Arrow series 2).

Final problem is the lag between when the show is made and televised overseas and when our free to air channels screen it. It is not uncommon for our free to air channels to still be 12-24 months behind. For example, when Channel 9 decided to start televising Arrow Series 2, Arrow series 3 was 2 weeks away from being shown in the US.

As to the shows, Gogglebox is also on Foxtel. Fox must think it such a great show they put it on that "popular" channel called "The Lifestyle Channel" :lol: Frak the show looks like a load of manure.

As to I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here" it also originated in the UK. Really sad part, in the UK, it has had 14 seasons to date :shock:

So many shows I used to watch got screwed around by the networks.

The Shield, The West Wing, Alias, Arrested Development, LOST (to a lesser extent) and others all had their screening days and times moved around until no one knew where to find them.
I haven't watched a show on FTA TV in years, and I don't plan to anytime soon. Good thing is I know I'll never have to because there won't be anything worth watching on there I haven't already seen.

 

[azzah72]

I have given IACGMEOH a couple of eps, it's ok, the pacing is weird but I am actually finding it morbidly entertaining.

I will say that I think Marcia Brady is a f**king legend with the shit the aussie public is putting her through!

It's basically celebrity Big Brother meets Survivor meets Fear Factor.

6/10

 

[Danish]

The networks definitely don't help, but it's a bit of a chicken or the egg type of thing with moving the program times around. The show had its slot moved, because the show didn't build an audience, because the show had its slot moved....

The networks waiting too long to air shows after they've run for a season or 2 in the states certainly hurts a bit now, although good shows on Foxtel now air at the same time or within hours of airing overseas. Channel 7 and 10 have fast tracked shows within a day or 2 as well.

Thing is, that is now. Torrenting was completely in the realm of nerds and not common place a decade ago, and shows still got f**ked over back then.

Honestly i think the problem comes down to our tiny population. Great shows in the US get ratings today that would have got shows cancelled 5 eps into their first season in the 90s, but even those paltry ratings still equate to millions of viewers which can be advertised to. Pulling similar audience share in Australia would see shows rating 100k or so and pulled from the air immediately.

 

[azzah72]

Commercial Aussie TV is a dog of a town.

So when they think they are onto a winner, you better believe they'll milk it.

I think we are starting to see the beginning of the end of the block finally...

Ratings have showed its drastically falling out of the top to with celebrity nipping at its heels (which 10 will be delighted even floating near top 10, that means they are holding double the audience of their last few launches and probably making it their best since MC)

MKR is dominating still.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

It's not just Australia. It's the world.

Reality (and I use that term loosely) TV is cheaper to produce, lower risk, less reliant on consistent crew/talent etc.

America does produce enough quality dramas due to it's size that could easily fill up our few TV channels. I think the stations have requirements for Australian content though, and as I first said, cheaper and easier to produce, as well as generally more profitable I imagine.

FACT. Australia is among the highest consumers of reality tv per capita than anywhere else in the world. Between things like Masterchef, MKR, the voice and the block, reality tv rates extremely well in Australia, moreso than even america

 

[whall15]

The TV channels do have to take some of the blame as they either do things like completely mis-market the show - Channel 10 did that when they had the rights to Torchwood (a Doctor Who spin off series). Instead of marketing it as a sci-fi show, or trying to plug into by comparing it to the X-Files, all of Channel 10's marketing for it would have had you believe it was a police/crime drama series :crazy:

The other thing they do is they get a new series and then move it all over the schedule, it will be screened at different times every week, rarely the same time slot twice in a row. Hard to build an audience when one week it is on at say 7.30 pm, next week you are lucky if it is on at mid-night (hello Channel 9 with Arrow series 2).

Final problem is the lag between when the show is made and televised overseas and when our free to air channels screen it. It is not uncommon for our free to air channels to still be 12-24 months behind. For example, when Channel 9 decided to start televising Arrow Series 2, Arrow series 3 was 2 weeks away from being shown in the US.

As to the shows, Gogglebox is also on Foxtel. Fox must think it such a great show they put it on that "popular" channel called "The Lifestyle Channel" :lol: Frak the show looks like a load of manure.

As to I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here" it also originated in the UK. Really sad part, in the UK, it has had 14 seasons to date :shock:

The fourth problem is standard definition. I can't imagine how f**king terrible watching network TV is like to people who bought the 4KTV.

 

[Bulldog Force]

FACT. Australia is among the highest consumers of reality tv per capita than anywhere else in the world. Between things like Masterchef, MKR, the voice and the block, reality tv rates extremely well in Australia, moreso than even america

Not really a surprise that it rates better here... Fewer channels, fewer people.

 

[whall15]

FACT. Australia is among the highest consumers of reality tv per capita than anywhere else in the world. Between things like Masterchef, MKR, the voice and the block, reality tv rates extremely well in Australia, moreso than even america

Combine that with Australian network's milking these shows for what their worth by doing multiple seasons a year and by streching out episode lengths to ridiculous levels and Australian's odd tendency to go to bed much earlier than the rest of the world and you have the situation we have now, wall-to-wall reality.

Australian television is dying, ratings have absolutely plummeted over the past 18 months, that's pretty major in a country with abysmal internet and for mine it's for two reasons. The first is Australian TV's obsession with reality TV. Even though the show's themselves are quite popular, (although in decine) the proliferation of reality TV in Australia has lead to channels effectively becoming about one genre which has driven everyone else away from Network TV entirely. The second is the network's bizarrely stubborn refusal to move to HD. They think that if they move to HD that for a few weeks they'll lose the ratings of people without HD Set Top Boxes, but long term the people who have stopped watching TV due to a lack of HD would have to exceed that amount by a vast degree.

Now it's a self-perpetuating cycle. The complete focus on reality TV has lead to a drop in ratings and in turn a drop in ad revenue. This means that the networks have less money to spend on programming so they'll spend it on what's cheap, what fills a lot of time and what will rate reasonably well and that is reality. This cycle will continue and that's why I think Network TV in Australia is going to die, at least in it's current form, pretty soon.