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The North Sydney Bears believe realistically they could be back in the NRL in 2024.
But the fun for their long-suffering fans would begin a year earlier, when the club hopes they will be one of 12 teams competing for promotion under a new two-tier format.

The new TV rights deal will start with the 2023 season, and by then Bears CEO David Perry hopes the NRL and state bodies, in cooperation with the game’s broadcasting partners, will be further aligned and have agreed to a relegation model similar to what the English Super League employs.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/e8529e80eb9129a71d6153c921900f13
Perry — who was appointed to the role in September — envisages two 12 team competitions, with the bottom two sides from the first-grade competition being demoted and replaced by the top two place-getters from the second-grade.

And the Bears are getting their ducks in a row to ensure they’re in the box seat to take advantage if it comes to fruition.

The former Manly Sea Eagles boss believes the two-tier system needs to be discussed in the interest of the game’s survival and growth in this highly competitive sporting landscape.

He stresses the current system is flawed and as a result the game is plateauing.


There are clubs, he continues, that aren’t sustainable in their current state, and the Bears boasting a catchment from the burgeoning North Sydney business district to Lake Munmorah on the Central Coast clearly cover a key market for the game’s growth.

“I think the relegation system would be an important step for the game,” Perry told foxsports.com.au exclusively.

“You need 12 and 12, so 24 key markets, and stricter criteria about those clubs around their funding model which means all of the 24 may not fit the top tier criteria, it may only be 16-18 franchises that make the cut, their catchment areas, their population, and their commercial growth.

“Because currently I believe a lot of clubs haven’t been accountable as much as they should have. They’ve been too reliant on funding from the NRL and haven’t been measurable enough.

“There’s no reason why a club that’s existed for 70 or 80 years, or 40 or 50 years, should have the right to have their brand stay lonesome on their own if they’re not performing at the levels required across the board, they’re not meeting the standards and criteria that the game expects or needs to generate the right amount of funding to survive.

“The relegation system for mine, and those people in the game that have looked at it, is clearly an opportunity for the NRL to spread its wings further in key markets and have those second tier clubs feel more engaged because they are critical and they’re the pathway for the game’s future success.”

That’s not to say the Bears won’t strike before that — Perry is a savvy operator and the leadership team doesn’t have the blinkers on.

But he says the two-tier system is the most likely pathway back to the top-flight, because it’s also the most logical next step for the game to re-engage all fans by giving their teams hope of making the top tier competition.

“Imagine knowing the additional support the Bears would get in the second tier competition if there was hope the following season they could be included based on field performance,” he points out.

“It would be great for the game and fans, and would ensure the top tier clubs would not only have to perform on the field but meet certain standards off it.”



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The foundation club spent years establishing a presence on the Central Coast and preparing a rebranded bid when talk of expansion heated up under former CEO David Gallop.

When that administration decided the time wasn’t right for expansion they waited for another opportunity.

That came when the NRL put the Gold Coast Titans licence up for sale, but ultimately they didn’t go through with the proposal as it just wasn’t suitable.

Those attempts at readmission don’t seem to be lost causes now.

The Bears brand garnered huge local support on the Central Coast from that first bid, and then they attracted a powerful portfolio of private investors when preparing to take over the Gold Coast franchise.

“We’re not emotionally caught up in this, we love the Bears but we have a business model which is suitable for the game when the time’s right,” he said.

“The Bears already have more than 200,000 avid fans. As Billy Moore once said, there are 200,000-odd customers ready to be re-engaged, what business doesn’t want to re-engage those?

“So we’d be ready now if an opportunity presented itself and we’re just waiting to get that tap, but if that means preparing for the two-tier model then we’ll have a model the NRL won’t be able to ignore.”

While the dialogue continues, the Bears are focused on making sure the on-field performances from the Intrust Super Cup down to the under 16s are worthy of the fans’ support while also being more active in the community to ensure the club is seen.

And they‘ve clearly made important strides already, aligning themselves with the Sydney Roosters and unveiling Jason Taylor as the new head coach with five pathway teams and a junior league base to underpin their massive population catchment.
absolute nonsense, will never happen! Quite the opposite since they are negotiating perpetual licenses.
 

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Promotion and relegation won't happen in this country,25m people 4 football codes.
California has a bigger population ,and we are geographically spread in a country nearly the size of the USA.
The horse has bolted.
 

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The very notion Perry bases his theory on - that somehow within 5 years we'll have overhauled the competition after 13 seasons and counting with no change to the competition and only once additional team since 2002... he's dreaming. Won't happen.
 

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So long as the Telstra premiership is the main large source of income that supports the sport in this country P&R in and out of it is a disastrously bad idea, all it'd take is for e.g. Brisbane or Melbourne to have a bad year and get relegated and the commercial value of the competition would tank overnight, in a really bad worst case scenario it could completely f**k RL in this country for decades.

However using P&R as part of a restructure of the lower tiers is a great idea, it could be one of the main ways to commercialise the lower tiers (i.e. make them a profitable product in their own right) and attract interest towards another major product aside from the Telstra premiership and SOO thus giving the NRL another product to sell (there by further diversifying their income streams) and giving the NRL and the sport as a whole a huge area through which to grow. P&R between the lower tiers along with some other changes could be used to create the Australian RL version of the collage leagues in NA to the NRL's version of the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.

However a world where the NRL and ARLC actually sink significant investment into the growth of the lower tiers is largely academic in my opinion cause the NRL is to scared of backlash from "the club power brokers" to do anything without their approval and "the club power brokers" will never let it happen cause it'd create interest and resources that they wouldn't have control over thus threatening their little fiefdoms.
 

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Operating on the assumption all club power brokers are evil is completely unhelpful to any discussion about this, just FYI
 

flippikat

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Bears have exhausted their relocation options, time for plan L, relegation lol

To be honest, the Bears were already coming across as hopelessly desperate... but this is next-level crazy, and actually kinda embarrassing. I can't see any scenario where the NRL becomes promotion-relegation, and IMO they're deluded if they think it's a plausible way in.
 

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Operating on the assumption all club power brokers are evil is completely unhelpful to any discussion about this, just FYI

I'm not, just FYI.

I'm simply saying that they as group are generally self interested, and what is in their or their clubs best interest isn't necessarily what is in the best interest of sport as a whole or even in the best interests of the NRL and/or the ARLC.
 
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Timmah

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Taking what he said and ascribing an emotive word like "evil" to it isn't helpful either. They're not evil, just full of self-interest.
Yeah, because the word fiefdoms didn't imply that at all...

I'm not, just FYI.

I'm simply saying that they as group are generally self interested, and what is in their or their clubs best interest isn't necessarily what is in the best interest of sport as a whole or even in the best interests of the NRL and/or the ARLC.
It also doesn't mean it isn't in the best interests of the sport either. It's far more complex and nuanced than that.
 

titoelcolombiano

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The Bears have one avenue left to return to the NRL. Go to Adelaide and do the ground work there. Build up the game with development officers and school visits. Continue to play in the NSWRL and when the time comes, to expand to Adelaide, guess who is in the box seat? The Adelaide Bears (foundation club, established 1908)
 

The Great Dane

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Yeah, because the word fiefdoms didn't imply that at all...

Fiefdoms was largely a reference to the Raiders in particular... Yes my club the Raiders!

Due to poor management by the CRL and NSWRL/ARL/NRL rugby league in Canberra is basically owned and operated by the Raiders. To give you an idea of just how bad it's got without going into too much detail the local first grade comp is called the Canberra Raiders cup, and the CRRL (Canberra region rugby league) logo is basically the Raiders logo.

For all intents and purposes the Raiders run RL in Canberra, what they say goes, if somebody comes along that challenges that stats quo they remove them, for example lets say some people at the local clubs start suggesting creating a combined team for the NSW cup or something similar then nice person the people at the forefront of that idea lose their jobs, anything comes up that the Raiders feel threatened by and they handle it so it goes away... Whether you like it or not RL in Canberra is run like a fiefdom by the Raiders.

Famously the Broncos have been trying to maintain a similar level of control over Brisbane since their foundation, thankfully that has is slowly cracking apart again. The ARL (Auckland) is attempting a similar thing in NZ using their ownership of the Warriors as the catalyst, and I'm sure that if I bothered to look I could find other examples!

It also doesn't mean it isn't in the best interests of the sport either. It's far more complex and nuanced than that.

I never said that their, lets say, point of view wasn't necessarily in the best interests of the sport (though I find it extremely unlikely that a handful for profit clubs having as much power as they do is a good thing, cause their profit and position are always going to be their first concern), but we can't even come to the point where we can seriously and honestly investigate that cause they through their self interest to maintain the status quo block the conversation before it can even begin.
 

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The Bears have one avenue left to return to the NRL. Go to Adelaide and do the ground work there. Build up the game with development officers and school visits. Continue to play in the NSWRL and when the time comes, to expand to Adelaide, guess who is in the box seat? The Adelaide Bears (foundation club, established 1908)

Honestly, at this point, i wouldnt trust them. They would move back to Sydney at the first opportunity.

Even if they didnt, every bad season would lead to "Bears to the CC" rumours. If expansion clubs want some history, they woud be better off reviving/promoting some old club from the local comp

Bears should just give up...
 

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(Re: Bears best shot being "a pitch to be Adelaide Bears")
Honestly, at this point, i wouldnt trust them. They would move back to Sydney at the first opportunity.

Even if they didnt, every bad season would lead to "Bears to the CC" rumours. If expansion clubs want some history, they woud be better off reviving/promoting some old club from the local comp

Bears should just give up...

Sad, but true. I don't deny that the Bears have a great brand - awesome mascot, classic sports team colours (just about every sports competition has a red'n'black team.. odd that we don't!), a sentimental history of "the team with that horribly long drought".. and the league would do well to have them represented in some form.

BUT the "I don't care where, as long as it's Bears" attitude that's been hammering away for nearly 20 years has undermined that to quite some degree. They figured that the Central Coast may not pan-out, so they explored buying the Titans.. now that's been scuttled, they're scrambling for Plan C.

If Adelaide had been proposed earlier, they'd have a stronger case than switching there now & just looking desperate.

Maybe when the 16th team bids were being considered in 2003-4, the Bears could have nailed their colours to Adelaide instead of the Central Coast, figuring that another Sydney club would pull off the move north instead of them?
 

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The Bears have one avenue left to return to the NRL. Go to Adelaide and do the ground work there. Build up the game with development officers and school visits. Continue to play in the NSWRL and when the time comes, to expand to Adelaide, guess who is in the box seat? The Adelaide Bears (foundation club, established 1908)

They’d be stupid to do so. They tried that in Gosford and it lead nowhere. Why would they spend years and $’s doing it again with very little hope we will see expansion IntomSA any time in the next two decades?
 

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Do you understand the meaning of the word implication....

actually, don't bother.

I understand the concept of false perception, which is what you have achieved in interpreting that the use of the word fiefdom "implies" the concept of evil. Its a very long stretch, even for you.

The NRL clubs do behave in this way on many occasions. The latest being the insistence on the $13million grant despite them knowing it would mean $40million being pulled out of grass roots funding. We shouldn't be surprised at this behaviour, after all they are 16 businesses all interested first and foremost in their own business success, or failure.
 
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titoelcolombiano

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They’d be stupid to do so. They tried that in Gosford and it lead nowhere. Why would they spend years and $’s doing it again with very little hope we will see expansion IntomSA any time in the next two decades?

If they want back in, it is pretty much their last option. Spending years and $$$ is not unlike what the Pirates are doing now. They too will be playing NSW Cup from 2022.
 

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