Gorden Tallis is so right

[roughyedspud]

Under the new eligibility rules Marshall and SBW would be unable to play SOO anyway.....

under the new eligibility rules australians are even barred from SoO

 

[Tone83]

This is why people hang shit on Qlders. Im a Qlder but FU.CK this attitude. Im Australian above everything.

We disowned you and your dad a long time ago buddy. Qld > Australia for me, I wish qld was its own country, you need to remember that victoria is part of australia, eddie mcguire is an australian, no thanks.

 

[hutch]

That may fly within Australia but I can assure you that outside of Australia where people love league (and SOO) as much as Australians do it is discouraging to witness the apathy of Australia towards developing international league.

Celebrate SOO by all means but remember that it is inaccessible for many and they deserve to participate in high level league also.

Hope that made some sense...:?

Makes more sense than any other post in this thread. Well said!

 

[Mr Fourex]

What is migel actually suggesting though....that SOO gets opened up to all comers?

It supposed to be between QLD and NSW (forgetting about the anomalies from the past)

Other than the Australian media giving more weight to international games.......what more must Australia do? We've included NZ in our "National" Rugby League .......U.K players are welcome and are doing reasonably well playing in the same said competition.

Do we need to make new rules for SOO as well now to accommodate the international crowd even more.....??

Do we need have a stand alone competition ie; a 4 way comp with QLD, NSW, NZ, GB.....and call it something else?

AND still play Aus V NZ and Aus V GB ....games as well??

SOO has to stay. We can't lose SOO (although some NSW fans may not agree...) but......QLD v NSW has to stay.




Sounds like a lot of games.....





What are NZ and the U.K doing to push the international game.....??

 

[Tone83]

SOO doesn't have to be opened to "all comers", it is already open to everyone who played junior footy in either qld or nsw. The problem is people born overseas are forced to be eligible for australia and to not play for their home nation if they want to play origin. This is quite clearly bullshit, outdated xenophobic merkiny bullshit that is so prehistoric and wrong its a disgraceful embarrassment which urgently needs to be rectified. Even ignoring basic ethics it hinders both origin and the international game, more so the latter since when pressed most will understandably just side with origin and then begrudgingly pull on the green and gold, or better yet a "snuggy" and watch their pitiful home nation get demoralised on tv. The whole system is utterly geniused, unforgivably so.

 

[Mr Fourex]

The interstate game and SOO used to be a selection game for the Aussie side........although there's a fair argument that it doesn't any more.

IMO it still should.

Internationally aligned players filling the positions that could be taken up by Australian aligned players?

Australian players that could be vying for a spot in the national side?

Australia is already training the Kiwis and Poms how to play RL by letting them in the NRL

we need to do more...how come?

 

[Glen from the Mount]

SOO should be NSW v Qld and nobody else, including Australians from other states. Why should someone from VIC play, or even want to play, for one of these teams. Put it back where it belongs.

 

[Springs]

Let's be honest, it isn't. Yow Yeh represented Australia before he represented Queensland and he said he was 100x more nervous in his first origin.

It may technically be a higher achievement, but the pinnacle of representative football in Australia is SoO

To be honest, it is. Who cares what Yow Yeh says. Most players would say their country is the highest honour. And Origin can hardly be the pinnacle when 34 players are picked for Origin and only 17 for Australia. Being picked in Australia means knowing you're the best in your country in your position.

Who let Fourex in this thread? If he kept up with rugby league he would know that the RFL and the game in Europe has been expanding and developing international rugby league a whole lot more than anything Australia has done lately. Australia wouldn't even play a series last year. Australia seems to prefer to focus on Origin rather than the international game.

 

[Tone83]

Thats not what origin is, for starters, also why are you so worried about other national teams being more competitive with oz? Pretty much everyone unanimously agrees thats ideal, thats the dream, thats precisely how the international game improves. Other nations being better and closer to oz. We have so much depth it wouldn't bother us at all, oh no we have to replace tamou with grant, boo hoo.

 

[Mr Fourex]

To be honest, it is. Who cares what Yow Yeh says. Most players would say their country is the highest honour. And Origin can hardly be the pinnacle when 34 players are picked for Origin and only 17 for Australia. Being picked in Australia means knowing you're the best in your country in your position.

Who let Fourex in this thread? If he kept up with rugby league he would know that the RFL and the game in Europe has been expanding and developing international rugby league a whole lot more than anything Australia has done lately. Australia wouldn't even play a series last year. Australia seems to prefer to focus on Origin rather than the international game.

If that's the case, then why don't they develop their own inter club / state / whatever comp?

.......SOO is for NSW and QLD players aligned with Australia.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Thats not what origin is, for starters, also why are you so worried about other national teams being more competitive with oz? Pretty much everyone unanimously agrees thats ideal, thats the dream, thats precisely how the international game improves. Other nations being better and closer to oz. We have so much depth it wouldn't bother us at all, oh no we have to replace tamou with grant, boo hoo.

I'd rather keep smashing every body......than have to coach my opposing teams on how to play the game.

 

[Tone83]

SOO should be NSW v Qld and nobody else, including Australians from other states. Why should someone from VIC play, or even want to play, for one of these teams. Put it back where it belongs.

So you're proposing we should revamp origin to make it a lower standard of competition? And make the concept more exclusionary and alienating to people in qld and nsw who weren't born there (huge populations that are currently passionate about origin)?

This would obviously be a huge step backwards in absolutely every way, might as well ban aborigines, what you're proposing has the same 1800s vibe.

Origin is simply a celebration of grass roots footy clubs saying "look where our lads are now", some of those lads happen to be fijians and kiwis and etc, deal with it.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Origin is simply a celebration of grass roots footy clubs saying "look where our lads are now", some of those lads happen to be fijians and kiwis and etc, deal with it.

I can, as long as those grass roots players met the eligibility criteria.

13 years of age now ......isn't it?

 

[Tone83]

I dunno, don't agree with it necessarily since I know from friends its possible to become a qlder after that age. However more important is letting people play origin AND for their non australian home country.

 

[docbrown]

However more important is letting people play origin AND for their non australian home country.

Agreed.

If players can prove a strong connection to both then let them play for both.

The interstate game and SOO used to be a selection game for the Aussie side........although there's a fair argument that it doesn't any more.

Given that the NRL season runs for about 7 months and the majority of internationals are held after that, if the Australian selectors can't pick a decent Australian squad after watching those 201 games then they should find new careers... ;-)

State of Origin should be detached from Australian selection.

 

[Springs]

If that's the case, then why don't they develop their own inter club / state / whatever comp?

.......SOO is for NSW and QLD players aligned with Australia.

No one ever said just letting England players fly over to Australia in June and play for NSW. You don't seem to be able to understand much.

The only England players that would be eligible would be players like Jack Reed and Chris Heighington, that were developed by their state's football systems but have a connection to England.

 

[The Great Dane]

SOO should be NSW v Qld and nobody else, including Australians from other states. Why should someone from VIC play, or even want to play, for one of these teams. Put it back where it belongs.

Hear hear, at the moment SOO is between the Queenslanders and the NSWelshmen and for the moment that is the way it should stay, until another state or territory is ready to compete with them.

All this talk of making SOO open to anybody is BS, on paper you can't be a NSWelshmen or Queenslander without being Australian and that is the way it should stay. Allowing a Kiwi to play SOO and for New Zealand would make SOO even more of a farce then it already is, This also applies to the states and territories outside of NSW and Queensland, even a Canberran should not be allowed to play for NSW!

If the Kiwi's, English, French, whoever want to hold their own SOO that is their business, but under no circumstances should we be made destroy ours just because they don't like it!

If you want the international game to be held in higher regard then SOO then that is simple, stop the media giving SOO more coverage than the international game and make them focus on the international game more, over time the interest in SOO would fall and the interest in international games would rise (especially in the states and territories outside of NSW and QLD).

Hell I would much rather watch a game between Jamaica and Canada then a SOO3 dead rubber, and for the most part I would rather watch a game between Australia and New Zealand then a game between NSW and QLD.

Just a crazy idea that could make everybody happy and eventually replace SOO, but how about an (truly) International Origin series, ANZACs vs British Lions? I think that concept has potential.

 

[Glen from the Mount]

Hear hear, at the moment SOO is between the Queenslanders and the NSWelshmen and for the moment that is the way it should stay, until another state or territory is ready to compete with them.

All this talk of making SOO open to anybody is BS, on paper you can't be a NSWelshmen or Queenslander without being Australian and that is the way it should stay. Allowing a Kiwi to play SOO and for New Zealand would make SOO even more of a farce then it already is, This also applies to the states and territories outside of NSW and Queensland, even a Canberran should not be allowed to play for NSW!

If the Kiwi's, English, French, whoever want to hold their own SOO that is their business, but under no circumstances should we be made destroy ours just because they don't like it!

If you want the international game to be held in higher regard then SOO then that is simple, stop the media giving SOO more coverage than the international game and make them focus on the international game more, over time the interest in SOO would fall and the interest in international games would rise (especially in the states and territories outside of NSW and QLD).

Hell I would much rather watch a game between Jamaica and Canada then a SOO3 dead rubber, and for the most part I would rather watch a game between Australia and New Zealand then a game between NSW and QLD.

Just a crazy idea that could make everybody happy and eventually replace SOO, but how about an (truly) International Origin series, ANZACs vs British Lions? I think that concept has potential.

Totally agree with everything you say apart from the ANZAC v Lions. That doesn't make any sense at all, combining the 2 strongest teams to take on the poms (as the Lions would be basically England by another name).

 

[Tone83]

Seems a lot of people don't understand what origin is, can't wrap their head around it even after you explain it to them, and for some reason there are rules in place to appease these idiots. Rules forcing origin players to play for australia, which is totally random and bizarre.

 

[Bombay Devils RLFC]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ion-of-kangaroos/story-e6frepbf-1226622057818

It is interesting how supporters in other sports would think about their big rivalries against internationals. What passion is generated by a Barcelona v Real Madrid game compared to Spain playing Sweden in a soccer international? Same for MU v Liverpool etc.

Origin simply generates more passion than Australia v NZ because Australia has dominated these games so much that in the past. The real way to get more from these games is make NZ and then England more competitive. The issue for Australia is why should we assist another country beat us?