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Gould leaving Penrith

Fangs

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With the reported poor performance and alleged precarious position (sans 5 years of gaming revenue) of Panthers leagues club, does anyone else have an uneasy feeling that the Perth Panthers may be back on the table?

I've never seen it as an option. Maybe in 50 years. We are just a bit too important right now. Though I do foresee that there will only be one western sydney club at some point.

Western Sydney Panthers sounds a lot better than WS Eels.
 

Abacus

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I've never seen it as an option. Maybe in 50 years. We are just a bit too important right now. Though I do foresee that there will only be one western sydney club at some point.

Western Sydney Panthers sounds a lot better than WS Eels.
I'd sooner support a Perth team than the WS Eels.
 
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With the reported poor performance and alleged precarious position (sans 5 years of gaming revenue) of Panthers leagues club, does anyone else have an uneasy feeling that the Perth Panthers may be back on the table?

No. Gould stated on his podcast a few weeks ago in 2011 we would have been the 1st team relocated due to our then financial position. Fast forward to now and he claimed we would be the last team to even be considered due to our turn around.
 

Panther Mick

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Breaking point: How Gus v Cleary power struggle came to a head
Michael Chammas Chief Reporter

It was the straw that broke the camel’s back. A minor squabble with major ramifications. Ivan vs Gus.
To call it an argument would be unfair on both parties. So too would it be to suggest that the series of events that played out last week alone would lead to Gould walking.
It merely confirmed what many Panthers powerbrokers were hoping to avoid for a while longer.

Perhaps it confirmed to Gould, if he was in any state of denial, that he was no longer wanted. Redundant is the word that’s been thrown around.
Last week’s power struggle highlighted that regardless of the protocols in place, Gould knew only one way. His way.

For so long, and in many roles at different organisations, nothing happened without his blessing.

So when he extended the contract of one of the club’s top 30 players last week, he did so without blinking an eyelid.

But Gus’s way was no longer the way.

The club, to ensure Cleary wasn’t undermined by the general manager when he agreed to join the Panthers last year, set up a recruitment and retention committee.
It’s a group consisting of the chairman, the chief executive, the general manager, the coach and the football manager.
In reality it was a committee formed to ensure Ivan got what Ivan wanted.
So when Cleary found out one of his players had been extended, you could imagine his frustrations.
Not because he didn’t want that player, but because Gould did what Cleary feared he would if he came back.
The alarm bells began ringing. Was history repeating itself? Was this a power play or a simple oversight?
The concerns were raised with the powers that be and Gould was told under no uncertain terms that it wasn’t to happen again.

The mover and shaker was now being moved and shaken.
The man, who eight months earlier had been entrusted with the power to overthrow then coach Anthony Griffin, now had zero jurisdiction over the team he built.
It’s not for this column to decide whether that’s right or wrong, most people have already made up their minds.
To be fair to both Gould and Cleary, they were able to put aside their differences and work amicably over the past few months. But they never worked productively.
Gould was executive general manager by title, but a glorified football manager by role.
When Cleary arrived he was told he wouldn’t have to report to Gould, and he got his wish.

Gould was sidelined, but the coach always had someone looking over his shoulder. He felt that every move was being examined. And with every loss, the feeling of paranoia only grew.
NRL.com understands Cleary never asked for Gould to go, but nor did he flinch when asked at the board meeting on Wednesday if he had any objections with the general manager’s role becoming redundant.
The players, who on Wednesday afternoon were told of Gould’s departure by chairman Dave O’Neill and chief executive Brian Fletcher, had been walking on egg shells for some time.
The elephant in the room was hard to ignore.
What also became hard to ignore for the club was a feeling that because of Gould’s polarising opinions and actions over many years, the club had a constant target on its back.
And in the end, the Panthers felt a need to save itself from the one that saved them.

Gould’s tenure at the Panthers was always under a dark cloud from the moment Cleary arrived in November. But the Panthers believe the fallout from the club’s sex tape saga in the pre-season expedited things, having a greater impact than any power struggle that was taking place.
It was then the club feared Gould was about to walk as a result of the off-field drama.
The actions of men he treated like his own kids shattered him.
Say what you like about Gould, but no one has protected and looked after the players like he has.
It’s often been to the detriment of his own reputation – putting them ahead of himself even when the public’s opinion of him began to erode.
The club did its best to convince him that the actions of the players were in no way a reflection of the culture he has instilled at the Panthers.
He has never cared about the criticism often aimed at him. But this was different. This ate away at everything he has tried to build at the club over the past eight years.


https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/04/25/breaking-point-how-gus-v-cleary-power-struggle-came-to-a-head/
 

TheFrog

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No. Gould stated on his podcast a few weeks ago in 2011 we would have been the 1st team relocated due to our then financial position. Fast forward to now and he claimed we would be the last team to even be considered due to our turn around.
I would attribute that to blowing his own trumpet, something our Gus has never been afraid to do. I don't know how close the club was to disaster when he started, but others who are closer to the club than me suggest it wasn't as close as he made out.
 

Pomoz

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That first paragraph is simply not right true. Had the licensed club not existed the football club would still be playing in the lower tier competition. In fact had it been left to the football club it would have closed in around 1963 or 64 when it could not pay the players. There were multiple instances when the football club was saved by the fact the licensed club operation was run well.

It would be interesting how much patience would be given to a financially draining football club if the Board had the make-up you suggest in another post - all professional, global, high-flying businessmen. The football club might quickly find itself looking for investors.

It seems it was Gus who recommended the redundancy in his position - so his own assessment is that there is not sufficient work for him to be engaged. He must think it is covered. If he had anything at all to do with growth in revenue generation he failed miserably at all levels.

I too think it is absurd but I think this separation is couched in those terms in order to maximise the payout Gus receives.

I don't hold any optimism at all for the post-Gus era, I have no confidence in the current management/board makeup - but then again I think it is Gus that has created the foundations for the future, and I believe those foundations are worse than shaky.
darkbloom, am I correct in saying the licensed club was created to support the football team? It came into existence after the football team. The licensed club didn't just decide to suddenly start supporting an NRL team (or whatever it was back then). That is my point. I have no doubt the football club would have gone under if they hadn't had the foresight to create a licensed club to support it. That is not in dispute. However, it wouldn't even exist if the football club didn't create it in the first place. Chicken and the egg. That point is sometimes lost because the licensed club has been way more successful than the team and has grown on the back of some astute business decisions. Unfortunately, the same level of smarts hasn't been applied often enough to the football team over the years hence its relative lack of success.

I share your lack of optimism about the future. I just hope that Fletcher is a lot smarter than he appears.
 

Abacus

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So we are not to believe WW then because they are positive. How bout NRL lurker, News ltd or Fairfax.

Going even further how bout each and everyone here on this forum.

Don't we all have agendas that colour our outlook on life and how we view things.

I will stand by my comment about the WW because it suits me to. I believe especially this week there was an evenhandness to what was said.
Happy for you to believe whatever you like Alice or whatever suits you. Certainly my comment wasn't directed towards you, rather an acknowledgement that I was unaware of the background, and previously undisclosed, affiliations between WW and individual board members.
Interesting that WW often has correct mail about the club.
 

darkbloom

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darkbloom, am I correct in saying the licensed club was created to support the football team? It came into existence after the football team. The licensed club didn't just decide to suddenly start supporting an NRL team (or whatever it was back then). That is my point. I have no doubt the football club would have gone under if they hadn't had the foresight to create a licensed club to support it. That is not in dispute. However, it wouldn't even exist if the football club didn't create it in the first place. Chicken and the egg. That point is sometimes lost because the licensed club has been way more successful than the team and has grown on the back of some astute business decisions. Unfortunately, the same level of smarts hasn't been applied often enough to the football team over the years hence its relative lack of success.

I share your lack of optimism about the future. I just hope that Fletcher is a lot smarter than he appears.

Yes you are correct. But in terms of having an NRL team to support it is not chicken and egg at all. Without the management of the licensed club changing when it did back in 1963 or 1964 - and pulling the football club into gear, there would have been no 1967 ascension to first grade - so you would be watching a team carrying the same status as a St Mary's or Wentworthville - both of whom have very successful clubs without having an NRL football presence. Indeed their licensed clubs would probably be considered far more successful than ours at this moment.
 
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franklin2323

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Happy for you to believe whatever you like Alice or whatever suits you. Certainly my comment wasn't directed towards you, rather an acknowledgement that I was unaware of the background, and previously undisclosed, affiliations between WW and individual board members.
Interesting that WW often has correct mail about the club.

All News sources do what is best for them. WW is a great source of info BUT is done to keep the club happy.
 

CCJohnC

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I think all the media TV Newspapers should pay Panthers a large sum of money for all the copy we have given them over the last couple of weeks. What are they going to have to say now Gould has gone?
 

panther.mike

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Now Phil Gould has/is gone, who gives a shit what reasons he gives? He can tell fibs or tell the truth, its not going to change things is it ? The same goes for all the players in this saga, just get on with winning games.
 

Thirsty Panther

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I think all the media TV Newspapers should pay Panthers a large sum of money for all the copy we have given them over the last couple of weeks. What are they going to have to say now Gould has gone?

Not just the last couple of weeks. Since we sacked Griffin we have given them plenty to report on. Who's the new coach, will Cleary come back etc. Then we had the gem of the sex video, plenty to report there. Disrespecting women, poor culture, etc. Then the Gus leaving,

I've wondered what its like to be a Raiders supporter where you are almost never reported on?
 
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Not just the last couple of weeks. Since we sacked Griffin we have given them plenty to report on. Who's the new coach, will Cleary come back etc. Then we had the gem of the sex video, plenty to report there. Disrespecting women, poor culture, etc. Then the Gus leaving,

I've wondered what its like to be a Raiders supporter where you are almost never reported on?

Tell me about it! The Raiders are third on the ladder and one of only a handful of teams with one loss......and still no one’s paying any attention to them :joy:
 

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