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Stallion

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Their argument is pretty much correct. Yes, FOOTBALL (not EPL) is more popular than GridIron worldwide, no doubt. But they are talking about success (hard facts) and not popularity of the particular sport that the comp plays (subjective). PR listed a series of hard facts that shows that head-to-head the NFL is more successful than the EPL. It doesn't mean that football is less popular than GridIron. You are confusing the two.

Popularity is the point. Nothing else. Popularity whuch leads to relevance and many other market advantages. No more twisting of the word popularity please!
 

titoelcolombiano

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Popularity is the point. Nothing else. Popularity whuch leads to relevance and many other market advantages. No more twisting of the word popularity please!

No, hard facts relating to $$$$ is the point which are the stats that PR provided pointing to the NFL being more successful
 

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No, hard facts relating to $$$$ is the point which are the stats that PR provided pointing to the NFL being more successful

You just don't fathom the main point of this discussion. It was essentially an argument stating that the names of clubs should be more generalised. This is flawed logic. Suburban Club names hold just as much appeal as other names do! Chelsea. Tottenham, Arsenal etc. They all have great drawing power and numerous fanbases. This can and is happening in the NRL with clubs of icomic and respected Sydney suburban names which your logic does not support .
 
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? FA cup final which would be the EPL's closest equivalent, and once agin for those that don't read threads he said successful, not known or popular.
Ive seen more Patriots jerseys in Perth in last two years than Man Utd ones. That's about as credible a measurement as some imagined kids in Laos lol

And the point still stands, the biggest soccer clubs in the world are one or two team city clubs. Sydney clubs will continue to be hamstrung by their over saturated market. Their only saving grace at the moment is that the NRL has been so poor at actually generating interest in new and bigger markets. If we had clubs in Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane2etc as big as the Storm and Broncos how well do you think these smaller Sydney suburb clubs in their antiquated stadiums and limited fan reach would fair?

You might spend your free time imagining kids but I certainly don’t.
FA cup is run by the FA not the EPL so if we’re just going to start making things up why not say the World Cup final is the closest thing the EPL has to the Super Bowl?
Well ANZ is hopefully getting knocked down soon so the antiquated stadium is going to improve a lot.
 

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So dare I suggest popular should have been used? Always thought popular went with success! Anyway these iconic suburban clubs of London have been extremely popular worldwide. No need for a rebadge/rename thats for sure! These EPL clubs such as Chelsea and Arsenal are vastly more popular than GridIron teams on a worldwide scale. The same should apply for the well supported, recognised and iconic Sydney based club names! That's it. Hope you uderstand !
 
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So dare I suggest popular should have been used? Always thought popular went with success! Anyway these iconic suburban clubs of London have been extremely popular worldwide. No need for a rebadge/rename thats for sure! These EPL clubs such as Chelsea and Arsenal are vastly more popular than GridIron teams on a workwide scale. The same should apply for the well supported, recognised and iconic Sydney based club names! That's it. Hope you uderstand !

You’re in a dreamworld mate.
 

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You’re in a dreamworld mate.

? Pommy . Thats a strange stance unless you have misinterpreted again? The logic is that their is absolutely nothing wrong with using suburban/ district names to attract fans from elsewhere. We have people suggesting this doesn't work? I'm aware the NRL is nowhere near the popularity of the EPL. However this similarity in suburban team names is not an impediment to being popular elsewhere. That's all ! It's a fair point. No dreaming involved!
 
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? Pommy . Thats a strange stance unless you have misinterpreted again? The logic is that their is absolutely nothing wrong with using suburban/ district names to attract fans from elsewhere. We have people suggesting this doesn't work? I'm aware the NRL is nowhere near the popularity of the EPL. However this similarity in suburban team names is not an impediment to being popular elsewhere. That's all ! It's a fair point. No dreaming involved!

NRL teams being recognised as a worldwide brands, I know you mean well but get real.
 

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So dare I suggest popular should have been used? Always thought popular went with success! Anyway these iconic suburban clubs of London have been extremely popular worldwide.


Yet almost all of the most popular EPL teams are from outside of London!

No need for a rebadge/rename thats for sure!

Who's suggesting that any team from either the EPL or NRL should renamed? Cause I'm not, and I can't see anybody in here that has or is pushing for renaming the clubs, definitely nobody has called for forcibly renaming them.

So what are you even talking about here!?

These EPL clubs such as Chelsea and Arsenal are vastly more popular than GridIron teams on a worldwide scale.

Evidence?

The same should apply for the well supported, recognised and iconic Sydney based club names! That's it. Hope you uderstand !

Pfft, the NRL clubs are never going to be as popular as the EPL clubs worldwide, and it's got nothing to do with their names...
 

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NRL teams being recognised as a worldwide brands, I know you mean well but get real.

So you did misinterpret . The comment was purely relating ti the suburban iconic names within the NRL that have Australia wide recognition. Its the same principle. Remember the whole discussion relayed to some contributors advocating the changing of such established names brands which is ludicrous.
 

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Yet almost all of the most popular EPL teams are from outside of London!



Who's suggesting that any team from either the EPL or NRL should renamed? Cause I'm not, and I can't see anybody in here that has or is pushing for renaming the clubs, definitely nobody has called for forcibly renaming them.

So what are you even talking about here!?



Evidence?



Pfft, the NRL clubs are never going to be as popular as the EPL clubs worldwide, and it's got nothing to do with their names...

Someone did and a few agreed in this thread! You go look it up . I DON'T SEARCH FOR CRAP!
 

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These EPL clubs such as Chelsea and Arsenal are vastly more popular than GridIron teams on a worldwide scale. The same should apply for the well supported, recognised and iconic Sydney based club names!

Your words not mine.
 

The Great Dane

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Someone did and a few agreed in this thread! You go look it up . I DON'T SEARCH FOR CRAP!

So again you can't provide examples or evidence for something you've said... Why aren't I surprised...

Well I'm sorry but I'm not spending god knows how long wading through this thread looking for a post that may or may not exist based on your say so (you who is literally the least reliable source on this forum, mister a fictional book is a good source of information for my point...), in an attempt to verify your point...

It's your point, it's your job to support it not mine.
 
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Stallion

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Your words not mine.

Lol. Left one word out "the same principle. ....." Thought you would have worked that out. Ive just been presenting the case to the NFL dudes of the popularity of the EPL. It would be obvious I've inferred this understanding. But alas its been misinterpreted within the context it clearly lies in. Oh well. We move on.
 

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So again you can't provide examples or evidence for something you've said... Why aren't I surprised...

Well I'm sorry but I'm not spending god knows how long wading through this thread looking for a post that may or may not exist based on your say so (you who is literally the least reliable source on this forum, mister a fictional book is a good source of information for my point...), in an attempt to verify your point...

It's your point, it's your job to support it not mine.

? You are delusional! Their is absolutely no way in the world I would go to the trouble of pointing out this clearly wrong idea without it being on this thread ? You are not a very good judge or reader of context. You have proven this time and time again! The comments are about 4 pages ago in this thread! About three or four in a row wanting to rid the Sydney clubs of their suburban/district names.
 

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Lol. Left one word out "the same principle. ....." Thought you would have worked that out. Ive just been presenting the case to the NFL dudes of the popularity of the EPL. It would be obvious I've inferred this understanding. But alas its been misinterpreted within the context it clearly lies in. Oh well. We move on.

Sorry I’m not a mind reader.
 

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? You are delusional! Their is absolutely no way in the world I would go to the trouble of pointing out this clearly wrong idea without it being on this thread ?

You say that but you are the guy that referenced a fictional book about a fictional Afghan child to support an argument, so you're not the most reliable source are you...

You are not a very good judge or reader of context.You have proven this time and time again!

Context, the context of what?

Do you mean that I have poor comprehension skills? If so I'd say pot meet kettle, and that I'm not the one that took a fictional book as an account of real events, that'd be you!

The comments are about 4 pages ago in this thread! About three or four in a row wanting to rid the Sydney clubs of their suburban/district names.

Well why didn't you just say that, or even better just quote the post, instead of just vaguely stating that it's somewhere in the 15 pages of this thread and to go find it...

BTW I've gone back and read the posts now that I know where they are, it's one post then a couple of responses to the other people about the post from one guy, and it's more about how people perceive the names and their position in the public conscious then actually about changing any clubs names.
And for the record nobody, I repeat nobody, openly supported it or agreed with the idea of changing the clubs names (at least that I read anyway), and by the time that you had brought it back up the conversation had completely moved on from the subject, so why you would expect that I or anybody else would remember that post or would be referencing back to that post in particular I don't know...
 

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1 team city 46k
9 team city with two teams playing each other 12k

End of argument!

Yep.

Then again what would I know, I thought the argument ended here-http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/7344-nrl-supporters-ladder-2017-201709221418

NRL Club Supporter Ladder 2017
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Source: Roy Morgan Single Source Australia, July 2016 – June 2017.n=14,544. Base: Australians 14+. *New Zealand Warriors support only includes Australian-based supporters.
 

Stallion

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You say that but you are the guy that referenced a fictional book about a fictional Afghan child to support an argument, so you're not the most reliable source are you...



Context, the context of what?

Do you mean that I have poor comprehension skills? If so I'd say pot meet kettle, and that I'm not the one that took a fictional book as an account of real events, that'd be you!



Well why didn't you just say that, or even better just quote the post, instead of just vaguely stating that it's somewhere in the 15 pages of this thread and to go find it...

BTW I've gone back and read the posts now that I know where they are, it's one post then a couple of responses to the other people about the post from one guy, and it's more about how people perceive the names and their position in the public conscious then actually about changing any clubs names.
And for the record nobody, I repeat nobody, openly supported it or agreed with the idea of changing the clubs names (at least that I read anyway), and by the time that you had brought it back up the conversation had completely moved on from the subject, so why you would expect that I or anybody else would remember that post or would be referencing back to that post in particular I don't know...

Amazing. The fact that a fictional book refers to the EPL should give you some idea of deemed cultural relevance? But no it doesn't! You have some basic interpretive issues "dumbdane " . With respect to the previous posts which you have found their is a concept called 'inferential knowledge' that seems to have escaped your interpretation and view of world sport. Just thought I'd present an awareness tangent for you . Try it!
 
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