Greenberg wants 2nd Melb team

[Stallion]

Thought I throw in an opinion after just taking an hour to read through most of this thread..

What has always annoyed me with both NRL and AFL teams is having them named as individual suburbs
Correct me if I'm wrong but no other teams in other sports around the world do this for top tier teams?

Sure it strengthens the loyalty of the exact suburb the team is named after, but in most cases this is only a couple thousand people

What Im getting at is what I think is the best solution for if Sydney teams were to be booted/relocated.

Say we were left with 4-5 Sydney teams (regardless of which these are, and not including Woolongong and CC)

If these teams ditched there traditional suburb names and for example picked up "north-" "south-" "east-" west-" Sydney, we would be left with a bunch of pissed off fans at the time, but the generations of kids growing up would not feel like there area is not covered by a team, as every inch of Sydney would technically now be covered.

The re-named teams would still be roughly based in the same area, and still include the traditional suburb and all the history that went with it, but could also fill the gaps left by the booted/relocated teams as well as areas that never had a team

Thats the way the game grew through the familiarity of these districts / suburbs. Like or dislike thats reality. You cant undo this familiarity and affection for this naming of clubs that have spawned the NRL. It should be respected and embraced.

 

[Stallion]

Yes, to an extent but I think there was more to it than that. The ARL admitted that there were too many teams and Perth were always going to struggle being sustainable whilst paying travel for all visiting teams. Plus there were 11 Sydney clubs and this was never going to work moving foward It wasn't quite set up correctly.

Do you believe that we should revisit 20 teams? I personally would like 20 (all existing teams plus room for Perth, Brisbane 2, NZ 2 and Adelaide. Roosters to CC, Dragons to Illawarra to reduce oversaturation in Sydney) but we will have to significantly increase revenue to achieve it. I don't know how the NRL will achieve this and I don't know if they have the vision to pull it off (I'll reserve judgement on Beattie until he's had a fair go) - we are really none the wiser which way they will go on the topic.

To an extent! It was absolutely sabotaged by superleague! Not to an extent. It was massive!

 

[greenBV4]

You mean like Chelsea, Tottenham, Watford, Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace? Those kind of top tier teams?

haha yep, those ones..

I still stand by the points I made below that though, If the league wants to be truly "national" it not only needs to expand out of the east coast but also ditch singular city-centric suburb names

It also got me thinking, if a second Brisbane or Melbourne team was added what would it be called? Would it pick a single suburb of that city, pick a north/south/east/west or just be another Brisbane/Melbourne?

 

[greenBV4]

Thats the way the game grew through the familiarity of these districts / suburbs. Like or dislike thats reality. You cant undo this familiarity and affection for this naming of clubs that have spawned the NRL. It should be respected and embraced.

True, but theres 2 ways to look at it, an evolved, truly national comp, or traditional and historic one still based around Sydney

I would say that most kids or growing up outside of Sydney would have no clue where abouts in Sydney "canterbury" "cronulla" "penrith" etc. even are

 

[titoelcolombiano]

To an extent! It was absolutely sabotaged by superleague! Not to an extent. It was massive!

The ARL are not inocent. They introduced four teams at once, on top of the 11 sides in Sydney and made Perth pay for the travel for the away teams. There is three mistakes right there that have nothing to do with Superleague.

 

[Stallion]

True, but theres 2 ways to look at it, an evolved, truly national comp, or traditional and historic one still based around Sydney

I would say that most kids or growing up outside of Sydney would have no clue where abouts in Sydney "canterbury" "cronulla" "penrith" etc. even are

Trust me. I'm the same as those kids. I'm uncertain of where exactly the clubs are based. However, I respect their history and credibility they secure for the NRL. I'm a Newcastle based fan of the Roosters and cringe when they are called the Sydney Roosters but would be much happier with East Sydney Roosters as a compromise from what names this club has been called in the past.

 

[Stallion]

You mean like Chelsea, Tottenham, Watford, Everton, West Ham, Crystal Palace? Those kind of top tier teams?

Well done Pommy! A very apt comment!

 

[Perth Red]

Thats the way the game grew through the familiarity of these districts / suburbs. Like or dislike thats reality. You cant undo this familiarity and affection for this naming of clubs that have spawned the NRL. It should be respected and embraced.

I wish sydney would embrace it, we might see better crowds!

 

[Perth Red]

haha yep, those ones..

I still stand by the points I made below that though, If the league wants to be truly "national" it not only needs to expand out of the east coast but also ditch singular city-centric suburb names

It also got me thinking, if a second Brisbane or Melbourne team was added what would it be called? Would it pick a single suburb of that city, pick a north/south/east/west or just be another Brisbane/Melbourne?

The advertising last week for the “battle of the west” between Penrith and Parra shows how small our sport is lol it is still so Myopic and insular it is hard to see it ever becoming a truly national thinking code.

 

[Perth Red]

Well done Pommy! A very apt comment!

Tbf it is the only other example in the world! But we’ll done on finding the only other one lol

 

[Stallion]

Tbf it is the only other example in the world! But we’ll done on finding the only other one lol

And it happens to be the most revered and successful competition on earth! Well done Pommy again!

 

[Perth Red]

And it happens to be the most revered and successful competition on earth! Well done Pommy again!

More than NFL? I’d suggest Tom Brady is as well known as any soccer player these days. Nfl would beat epl in most criteria you’d like to compare.

 

[Stallion]

More than NFL? I’d suggest Tom Brady is as well known as any soccer player these days. Nfl would beat epl in most criteria you’d like to compare.

Id suggest the EPL is way more popular worldwide than the NFL! In fact easily!

 

[Perth Red]

Id suggest the EPL is way more popular worldwide than the NFL! In fact easily!

Based on what? And don’t say because your mate told you!

Crowds nfl
Revenue nfl
Tv deal nfl
Stadiums nfl
Super Bowl v fa cup nfl
Player salaries nfl
Global tv audience for nfl final v epl final nfl

No doubt epl is major comp but more succesful than NFL? Nah.

 

[Stallion]

Based on what? And don’t say because your mate told you!

Crowds nfl
Revenue nfl
Tv deal nfl
Stadiums nfl
Super Bowl v fa cup nfl
Player salaries nfl
Global tv audience for nfl final v epl final nfl

No doubt epl is major comp but more succesful than NFL? Nah.

You idiot. Are you aware that most of Asias male population follows an EPL team. I know for a fact that most schoolboys I teach and know follow the EPL. I will also include the male populations of most African nations as well. Pretty sure the South American countries would take note of the EPL as well? They do not follow gridiron. But you cant work this out. Switch on will you! Welcome to reality PR! You are so ignorant in your fake ivory tower of nonsense!

 

[Perth Red]

You idiot. Are you aware that most of Asias male population follows an EPL team. I know for a fact that most schoolboys I teach and know follow tge EPL. They do not follow gridiron. Welcome to reality PR! You are so ignorant in your fake ivory tower of nonsense!

By follow you mean they buy a knock off man iutd shirt from the local market and call themselves a fan? Lol

So no measurable that you can actually prove as a pointer of “success” Your usual BS.

I can tell you one thing that is a fact, NFL didn’t put ten teams in NY because the game is popular there and there is a large population!

 

[Stallion]

By follow you mean they buy a knock off man iutd shirt from the local market and call themselves a fan? Lol

So no measurable that you can actually prove as a pointer of “success” Your usual BS.

I can tell you one thing that is a fact, NFL didn’t put ten teams in NY because the game is popular there and there is a large population!

You just don't get it do you? The EPL is far more popular than the NFL. Thats it! The universal relevance is massive compared to what you just used as a comparison. That is popularity. And its far more worldwide than anything gridiron can come up with. Then again your world might be restricted to the USA like some of the Americans believe.

 

[The Great Dane]

You idiot. Are you aware that most of Asias male population follows an EPL team. I know for a fact that most schoolboys I teach and know follow the EPL. I will also include the male populations of most African nations as well. Pretty sure the South American countries would take note of the EPL as well? They do not follow gridiron. But you cant work this out. Switch on will you! Welcome to reality PR! You are so ignorant in your fake ivory tower of nonsense!

That's called an anecdote, it's a useless measure of evidence as it's sample size is always tiny (to the point of complete insignificance) and because peoples memories are so ridiculously unreliable...

By pretty much every metric the NFL is bigger then the EPL, it's mainly cause the NFL has no direct competition and the EPL has endless amounts of direct competition that eats away at it's potential support base. So in other words if you want to watch top quality American football you have to watch the NFL cause really there's no other option, but if you want to watch quality Soccer there're plenty of options other then the EPL that are of a high standard and all cater to slightly different niches, La Liga and Bundasliga are probably the two best examples, but even some of the South American comps and smaller European comps like the Scottish Premiership would be good examples.

I mean is it really surprising that a competition that basically has a monopoly on the market is more successful then one that is in constant competition with other big leagues in their sport? I definitely don't think that it's surprising.

And just BTW I'm sure that American cultural imperialism helps the NFL as well...

 

[Stallion]

That's called an anecdote, it's a useless measure of evidence as it's sample size is always tiny (to the point of complete insignificance) and because peoples memories are so ridiculously unreliable...

By pretty much every metric the NFL is bigger then the EPL, it's mainly cause the NFL has no direct competition and the EPL has endless amounts of direct competition that eats away at it's potential support base. So in other words if you want to watch top quality American football you have to watch the NFL cause really there's no other option, but if you want to watch quality Soccer there're plenty of options other then the EPL that are of a high standard and all cater to slightly different niches, La Liga and Bundasliga are probably the two best examples, but even some of the South American comps and smaller European comps like the Scottish Premiership would be good examples.

I mean is it really surprising that a competition that basically has a monopoly on the market is more successful then one that is in constant competition with other big leagues in their sport? I definitely don't think that it's surprising.

And just BTW I'm sure that American cultural imperialism helps the NFL as well...

Lol. So you honestly think the EPL is less popular than the American NFL worldwide. If so I suggest you and PR have a few Budweisers together and some hotdogs. Because I can tell based from your previous comments you won't be eating humble pie which is what should be happening!

 

[LeagueXIII]

Arsenal, Fulham, Aston Villa, Millwall,.

We underestimate the value of names like Balmain, St.George, Canterbury etc these carry alot of tradition like the soccer clubs.

What value was gained when teams changed to Sydney Tigers and Sydney Bulldogs zero, just some marketing idiots idea.

These changes are killing off passion for clubs, come to Melbourne and try doing the things people are suggesting to AFL clubs....you would be ripped apart, same with English soccer. Is league that pathetic that we can rebrand and not care.