halves for next year?

[The EELiminator]

I'm sort of divided on this; if Hayne under-performs drastically or doesn't put in the effort, and there are players who are actually working hard for spots, then he should be replaced; it's a mentality that can be taken with any player. Of course though, with how talented and highly paid he is, it would sort of really back-fire and even potentially make him go nuts at the coach and the board FIREWORKS!!

its pretty unlikely i think half the trouble with jarryd is him trying too hard at times not underperforming i wonder how much of his 'positional play' trouble is due to him getting puffed because he is running around trying to play 6, 7 and 1 all at once

 

[Djay]

I don't disagree with you mate, don't worry. However, as Robson has never let us down with his effort and commitment, I would still love to see him in the side (bench) as he is still useful as a utility/back-up player.
Of course, there are a lot of players far more talented than he is that we have, the reason a lot of people stick with Robson in their sides is the mentality that he is always so consistent and hard-working.



I'm sort of divided on this; if Hayne under-performs drastically or doesn't put in the effort, and there are players who are actually working hard for spots, then he should be replaced; it's a mentality that can be taken with any player. Of course though, with how talented and highly paid he is, it would sort of really back-fire and even potentially make him go nuts at the coach and the board FIREWORKS!!

Yer, that's fair enough that he will always put in 100% and give us commitment. But to me that's not good enough, a half needs to organize and create things, not just "work hard all the time".

 

[The EELiminator]

Yer, that's fair enough that he will always put in 100% and give us commitment. But to me that's not good enough, a half needs to organize and create things, not just "work hard all the time".

worth a shot at hooker in the trials maybe?

 

[84 Baby]

worth a shot at hooker in the trials maybe?

Disagree. We adequately stocked at hooker. Got 3 guys there who will have to fight for contracts for next season. Robson isn't going to bring anything to hooker that Keating, Mitchell & McGuire can't. He'll fight it out preseason in the halves against Morts, Humble, Murray & McGuire.

Going with the new-age traditional 5/8th (hasn't been a real traditional 5/8th since Walters played alongside Langer) not the halfbacks on either side of field tactic, my feelings is that the real halves fights will be between Robson and Murray for halfback and Morts & Humble for 5/8th then McGuire if we noone is good enough to fill either position.

Another option out of left field (and by no means a good idea) is to get one of our talented young outside backs (Sio, Loko or Brien) and put the 6 on their back. In attack, Hayne pushes up and that player becomes what the ruggers would call an inside centre. All 3 have some size, speed & ball handling skills. The main issue would be their ability to defend in the line against men

 

[mrpwnd]

its pretty unlikely i think half the trouble with jarryd is him trying too hard at times not underperforming i wonder how much of his 'positional play' trouble is due to him getting puffed because he is running around trying to play 6, 7 and 1 all at once

It's not just the 6,7 and 1 he's compensating for, his stats are way over anyone else in the team, he's basically been filling in the role of a utility player as well as an 80 minute fullback.
Even then, his positional play isn't as bad as Gould says when he has a massive bitch fit.

 

[Djay]

worth a shot at hooker in the trials maybe?

No, I'd rather we use Mitchell and McGuire and I'm not a MK fan aswell haha.:lol:

 

[boxhead]

Disagree. We adequately stocked at hooker. Got 3 guys there who will have to fight for contracts for next season. Robson isn't going to bring anything to hooker that Keating, Mitchell & McGuire can't. He'll fight it out preseason in the halves against Morts, Humble, Murray & McGuire.

Going with the new-age traditional 5/8th (hasn't been a real traditional 5/8th since Walters played alongside Langer) not the halfbacks on either side of field tactic, my feelings is that the real halves fights will be between Robson and Murray for halfback and Morts & Humble for 5/8th then McGuire if we noone is good enough to fill either position.

Another option out of left field (and by no means a good idea) is to get one of our talented young outside backs (Sio, Loko or Brien) and put the 6 on their back. In attack, Hayne pushes up and that player becomes what the ruggers would call an inside centre. All 3 have some size, speed & ball handling skills. The main issue would be their ability to defend in the line against men

Interesting ideas, I agree with a lot of that. It's good to have a lot of options

Yer, that's fair enough that he will always put in 100% and give us commitment. But to me that's not good enough, a half needs to organize and create things, not just "work hard all the time".

Yeah I see what you mean. I'm looking forward to the trials to see the combinations Kearney tries to get us rolling.

 

[yy_cheng]

Still at it huh?
I'd like to see that if we do poorly with another halves combo after the pre-season.

I prefer Hayne at 1 but

Humble, Robbo, Mortz, Murray have not shown that they can really organize our team at NRL LEVEL.

I just reckon 1. Humble/Reddy 6. Hayne
gives us more value than
1. Hayne 6 and 7 - any combo of the above.

As everyone has said, including me, 2009 was all of Fui's go forward, Hindy's workrate and Hayne's magic.

Any combo of the above non proven halves with Hayne at 1 will be a simple repeat of 2010.

One combo won't work, so we''ll try another, that doesn't work and we'll try another, etc.

Hayne is our best organizer at the club. A better fullback, yes, but the backup 1's that we have are better than our backup 6,7.


Ideally I would've loved
1. Hayne
6. Mortz - only because I think he is an awesome backer upper and would run off the others.
7. Kimmorley/Orford

But unless Orford signs, well, I reckon we shouldn't just screw around.


So if Hayne is 6, I just reckon that Robbo is steady and will stick to the gameplan 100%. He knows he is no superman and will play to what SK demands, especially, linking and getting the ball to the correct players quickly.

I cannot stand MK at 9 anymore. He takes tooooooo long to get the ball out. By the time it does, the other defense is already in our face.

Mitchell has slick service and I like that.

 

[yy_cheng]

Another option out of left field (and by no means a good idea) is to get one of our talented young outside backs (Sio, Loko or Brien) and put the 6 on their back. In attack, Hayne pushes up and that player becomes what the ruggers would call an inside centre. All 3 have some size, speed & ball handling skills. The main issue would be their ability to defend in the line against men

This is where I feel DA went so wrong.

Every blind freddy and his labrador could see that Mortz was struggling in the halves.

If Hayne plays 1 but pushes up in attack then Mortz (wearing the 6) has to play the 1 role when Hayne pushes up. He can backup and follow Hayne or the centres and chase bombs. Not set them up or kick them.

It would work a treat because he is such a great backup person and has some speed and can duck under tackles.

It was quite simple.

This year when Hayne did push up, Mortz had NO ROLE !!

Hayne took his role occasionally but Mortz did not play Hayne's role when Hayne pushed up.

This year, I would've left Mortz at 6 but just tell him to follow Hayne and Mateo and Caylo and Hindy around. THAT'S IT. When they pop a ball, he would be there and will make some inroads.

Our 1, wasn't doing any of that. I liked it when Mckinnon was at 1 and he would just follow everyone around.


My problem with Hayne at 1 is that he thinks he is a ball player and therefore, doesn't play the traditional 1 role.

If he wants to be the ball player, then play him at 6.

Same as what they did with Lockyer.

 

[boxhead]

This is where I feel DA went so wrong.

Every blind freddy and his labrador could see that Mortz was struggling in the halves.

If Hayne plays 1 but pushes up in attack then Mortz (wearing the 6) has to play the 1 role when Hayne pushes up. He can backup and follow Hayne or the centres and chase bombs. Not set them up or kick them.

It would work a treat because he is such a great backup person and has some speed and can duck under tackles.

It was quite simple.

This year when Hayne did push up, Mortz had NO ROLE !!

Hayne took his role occasionally but Mortz did not play Hayne's role when Hayne pushed up.

This year, I would've left Mortz at 6 but just tell him to follow Hayne and Mateo and Caylo and Hindy around. THAT'S IT. When they pop a ball, he would be there and will make some inroads.

Our 1, wasn't doing any of that. I liked it when Mckinnon was at 1 and he would just follow everyone around.


My problem with Hayne at 1 is that he thinks he is a ball player and therefore, doesn't play the traditional 1 role.

If he wants to be the ball player, then play him at 6.

Same as what they did with Lockyer.

Wow, I agree with a lot of what you say here and in your previous post. I agree with you that Mortimer shouldn't play the organising role but should play as a fullback in attack; when he does that, I think we then gain something we have been missing for a while.

 

[mrpwnd]

I prefer Hayne at 1 but

Humble, Robbo, Mortz, Murray have not shown that they can really organize our team at NRL LEVEL.

I just reckon 1. Humble/Reddy 6. Hayne
gives us more value than
1. Hayne 6 and 7 - any combo of the above.

As everyone has said, including me, 2009 was all of Fui's go forward, Hindy's workrate and Hayne's magic.

Any combo of the above non proven halves with Hayne at 1 will be a simple repeat of 2010.

One combo won't work, so we''ll try another, that doesn't work and we'll try another, etc.

Hayne is our best organizer at the club. A better fullback, yes, but the backup 1's that we have are better than our backup 6,7.


Ideally I would've loved
1. Hayne
6. Mortz - only because I think he is an awesome backer upper and would run off the others.
7. Kimmorley/Orford

But unless Orford signs, well, I reckon we shouldn't just screw around.


So if Hayne is 6, I just reckon that Robbo is steady and will stick to the gameplan 100%. He knows he is no superman and will play to what SK demands, especially, linking and getting the ball to the correct players quickly.

I cannot stand MK at 9 anymore. He takes tooooooo long to get the ball out. By the time it does, the other defense is already in our face.

Mitchell has slick service and I like that.

Don't worry, i've got Hayne at 6 as a possible proposition for me. There were alot of times where the whole team was performing poorly and he was torn between wanting to run the ball as a fullback or just switch to a specialist playmaking role.
I think, assuming we don't acquire effective halves for first grade next year, then Hayne at 6 would really ease his mind off that whole confusion.

Also, on MK, he needs to stay in Wenty until he learns that his poor quality, imbecile-like dummies aren't going to work.

 

[ParraFan09]

We tried hayne at 6 last year and he was lost defence got to him and he struggled to attack, i like him at 1 where he doesnt have to defend so he can ball play and run with the ball, Kearney already said that next year the team wont be relying on hayne, everyone has ridiculed robson and mortimer for what they did this season under ando under kearney we will be playing a different style of football, so if you ask me, 6. mortimer & 7. robson deserve first crack.

 

[boxhead]

We tried hayne at 6 last year and he was lost defence got to him and he struggled to attack, i like him at 1 where he doesnt have to defend so he can ball play and run with the ball, Kearney already said that next year the team wont be relying on hayne, everyone has ridiculed robson and mortimer for what they did this season under ando under kearney we will be playing a different style of football, so if you ask me, 6. mortimer & 7. robson deserve first crack.

I definitely agree with all that, Mortimer and Robson will likely be given the chance under Kearney to play to the style they want and control the game rather than the team sharing the "give it to Hayne" thought process. If Kearney coaches that out of us he is already a legend in my books.

 

[Eels Dude]

I definitely agree with all that, Mortimer and Robson will likely be given the chance under Kearney to play to the style they want and control the game rather than the team sharing the "give it to Hayne" thought process. If Kearney coaches that out of us he is already a legend in my books.

I don't agree with that at all. Mortimor and Robson don't have the playmaking abilities to control our attack. If Kearney's a legend for giving Morts and Robbo playing the style that suits them then your definition of legend = idiot.

 

[boxhead]

I don't agree with that at all. Mortimor and Robson don't have the playmaking abilities to control our attack. If Kearney's a legend for giving Morts and Robbo playing the style that suits them then your definition of legend = idiot.

I meant if they can handle it, that's what I meant mate. Sorry if I didn't say it the right way, I'm often guilty of not being able to communicate well....sorry mate.

 

[The Engineers Room]

Please people Orford is not coming my father heard this from a board member, he should know.

Must quote myself because Stagger thought a PM titled "lol" to me was the way to announce that he thinks the deal is being finalised with Orford....he must know better after all he releases information just like our board does.

I will believe it with Orford when the official press release comes out. I just know that this board members said that Gower was never approached and was a beat up and Orford was not coming.

 

[Eels Dude]

Must quote myself because Stagger thought a PM titled "lol" to me was the way to announce that he thinks the deal is being finalised with Orford....he must know better after all he releases information just like our board does.

I will believe it with Orford when the official press release comes out. I just know that this board members said that Gower was never approached and was a beat up and Orford was not coming.

I reckon the board members are none the wiser. It'd be the coach, CEO, and recruitment staff who would be involved in player negotiations. The board would only be updated on player signings etc whenever they have meetings.

 

[lingard]

Boxhead, you think Robson is a NRL 7, you are kidding aren't you.

If he starts in the team we are doomed, you saw what happened in 2010 when he was expected to contribute, NOTHING.

Hopefully for his sake he gets a release to go the the UK, and gets to live off what happened in 2009 , everyone would win then.

:lol::lol::lol:

Just out of curiosity, Dellboy, what`s you`re expert opinion on Daniel Mortimer`s contribution this year?

 

[lingard]

That wasn't my point at all Delboy, you completely missed what I meant in my reply.

I criticised the point that said Robson and Mortimer did nothing in 2009, when everyone knows they played brilliantly like everyone else......I didn't say whether they are up to standard or not.

He won`t reply to you, Boxhead. He likes to come in, have a quick dig at Robson whenever he can, and then disappear into the ether. I`ve had this argument with him before. He likes to think that I think Robson is a great NRL half-back, when in reality I just get pissed off that he NEVER once has given Robson any credit for anything he has done in the last two years. So he`s reduced the argument to : I think Robson is a great half-back, and therefore I am an idiot with no idea. :lol::lol::lol: Looks like he wants to do the same to you.

 

[mrpwnd]

For the record, I actually thought Robson was a our weakest link in 09.
Lot's of poor passes and pushing of passes near the line, he put alot of pressure on our forwards.
Lucky we have the best pack in the game.