Harold Matthews and SG Ball Discussion Thread

[murraymob]

vs Illawarra at Centenary Field, Albion Park, Saturday March 7 - 12 noon Kick off

1. Brendan Heather 2. Clay Robinson 3. Ben Heterick 4. Ryan Wilson 5. Keiran Moss 6. Johnny Tapuaiga 7. Reece Regan 8. Tai Tuivasas 9. Nelson Tuia 10. Jason Doran 11. Tevita Vave 12. Jason Antonelli 13. Steve Misevic Interchange: 14. Tyson Iddles 15. Tekina Vailea 16. Aaron Taavale 17. Suniula Fatialofa 18. Teoke Kahuroa 19. Cy Samuels 20. Joel Waddell 21. Tony Santini Coach: George Zahra
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Vs Illawarra at Centenary Field, Albion Park, Saturday March 7 - 1.30pm Kick off

1. Alistar Beale 2. Joshua Meeham 3. Malakai Watene-Zeleniak 4. Alan Eisenhuth 5. Tori Willie 6. Matthew Moylan 7. Harry Seijka 8. Jake Seaton 9. Blake Rigelsford 10. Samson Sene 11. Vaipuna Tia-Kilifi 12. Kilifi Tia-Kilifi 13. Matthew Penitani Interchange: 14. Solo Alone 15. Kurt Hurton 16. Ivan Taavale 17. Blake Austin 18. Justin Genovese 19. Jonathon Pepa 20. Andrew Pelasio 21. Cameron Grieve 22. Anaru Matthews 23. Duran Ierko 24. Jake Schubert 25. David Biddle 26. Jake Romero Coach: Bob Beveridge

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[Bashem]

vs Illawarra at Centenary Field, Albion Park, Saturday March 7 - 12 noon Kick off

1. Brendan Heather 2. Clay Robinson 3. Ben Heterick 4. Ryan Wilson 5. Keiran Moss 6. Johnny Tapuaiga 7. Reece Regan 8. Tai Tuivasas 9. Nelson Tuia 10. Jason Doran 11. Tevita Vave 12. Jason Antonelli 13. Steve Misevic Interchange: 14. Tyson Iddles 15. Tekina Vailea 16. Aaron Taavale 17. Suniula Fatialofa 18. Teoke Kahuroa 19. Cy Samuels 20. Joel Waddell 21. Tony Santini Coach: George Zahra
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Vs Illawarra at Centenary Field, Albion Park, Saturday March 7 - 1.30pm Kick off

1. Alistar Beale 2. Joshua Meeham 3. Malakai Watene-Zeleniak 4. Alan Eisenhuth 5. Tori Willie 6. Matthew Moylan 7. Harry Seijka 8. Jake Seaton 9. Blake Rigelsford 10. Samson Sene 11. Vaipuna Tia-Kilifi 12. Kilifi Tia-Kilifi 13. Matthew Penitani Interchange: 14. Solo Alone 15. Kurt Hurton 16. Ivan Taavale 17. Blake Austin 18. Justin Genovese 19. Jonathon Pepa 20. Andrew Pelasio 21. Cameron Grieve 22. Anaru Matthews 23. Duran Ierko 24. Jake Schubert 25. David Biddle 26. Jake Romero Coach: Bob Beveridge

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I really do not think that what you have chosen will be the teams , which where the same teams line ups for the past 2 weeks, dont be suprised if you see jonathon pepa starting wing on the weekend for the sg ball side and also i think reece regan in the hm team will not be in the number #7 jersey this week.

 

[murraymob]

the sides i named are the offical teams on panthers website.But you could be right coaches change teams all the time. It sure is good to see vapuna tia kiliffi in the starting line up

 

[Bashem]

i heard that there was a meeting tonight,
what was that about, and was it just hm or sg ball?

 

[footyboy7]

i heard that there was a meeting tonight,
what was that about, and was it just hm or sg ball?

I heard about it too, and i know it was matts but im not sure about ball.

Looking at the teams, i heard that Miscevic and John Tapuiaga will be halves and Regan slotting back into the 2cd row or lock perhaps.

 

[Pumhill]

why wouldnt penrith play regan at lock ?
he made australian schoolboys there.
they need to play the players in there preffered positions otherwise they will not play to the best of there ability.
that may be some of the reason the are not going well.

 

[Kilkenny]

I think the main reason the Matthews aren't going that good is the fact they aren't that good. Considering they were decisively beaten by the Roosters, whose side is almost entirely comprised of Penrith juniors, they were in effect beaten by our second side?

 

[ranga]

I think the main reason the Matthews aren't going that good is the fact they aren't that good. Considering they were decisively beaten by the Roosters, whose side is almost entirely comprised of Penrith juniors, they were in effect beaten by our second side?

how good to see that someone else can see this side for what they are

 

[ranga]

Pretty harsh assessment. They have no conifdence in what they are going out there to do because of a number of factors. No doubt the losses on the weekend were bad ones in terms of opposition and way they played. Doubt the coaches are the right men to instil the confidence in them. I also disagree with your comments about pushed passes and missed tackles. Positional changes can greatly effect these as can game plans they arent comfortbale with. Defending in the middle as opposed to the edge, playing up and out, umbrella etc can mean the way a player needs to read attacks vary greatly hence bad reads and missed tackles. The coaching staff needs to coach this. Knowing their gameplan (which is to be expansive and play whats in front of them) offloads may be encouraged and expected perhaps resulting in more drop ball and bad passes. Overall my assessment of the junior reps this year (having seen 9 of the teams play so far)is that both grades are below the regular standard. Although this is the case I will rarely find fault in 15 year olds at the start of their developmental process. Superstars they are not, no one in Matts or ball is, they just deserve support, effective coaching and time.

So your saying these kids are uncomfortable with a game plan that doesnt suit there individual needs ,I say suck it up sister and welcome to the real world ,if there as good as you all think they need to start to listen to other coaches and learn different ways to play,most of these boys have only known one coach and are suffering for this. All the supporters of these boys seem to be able to quote from rugby league manuals ,how about you get some original ideas and maybe you could get a gig as a coach ,but then again its probably best you apply for a mini or mod team so your kid can get the ball all the time

 

[Kilkenny]

As a Panthers supporter and rugby league supporter I must say I enjoy watching the junior rep sides and have done for many years. I must say I was shocked last Saturday watching both the Ball and Matthews sides lose in the manner in which they did. I don't know whether this crop of juniors are lacking in ability as I haven't seen enough of them to really determine that as fact. What I was taken aback by was there apparent inability to do even the most basic of fundamentals right. What I can say for sure on the evidence of last week is there are less potential future NRL stars in the two sides than there has been in the past three seasons.

 

[ranga]

Pretty harsh assessment. They have no conifdence in what they are going out there to do because of a number of factors. No doubt the losses on the weekend were bad ones in terms of opposition and way they played. Doubt the coaches are the right men to instil the confidence in them. I also disagree with your comments about pushed passes and missed tackles. Positional changes can greatly effect these as can game plans they arent comfortbale with. Defending in the middle as opposed to the edge, playing up and out, umbrella etc can mean the way a player needs to read attacks vary greatly hence bad reads and missed tackles. The coaching staff needs to coach this. Knowing their gameplan (which is to be expansive and play whats in front of them) offloads may be encouraged and expected perhaps resulting in more drop ball and bad passes. Overall my assessment of the junior reps this year (having seen 9 of the teams play so far)is that both grades are below the regular standard. Although this is the case I will rarely find fault in 15 year olds at the start of their developmental process. Superstars they are not, no one in Matts or ball is, they just deserve support, effective coaching and time.

Oh yes kids play first grade now days at 17 if there good enough and i doubt they tell there respective coaches there uncomfortable with anything there told to do what makes you think these boys have the privillage to question any thing there told to do at this level ,and it is because of there attutude towards anything they dont like becomes there downfall.

 

[ranga]

As a Panthers supporter and rugby league supporter I must say I enjoy watching the junior rep sides and have done for many years. I must say I was shocked last Saturday watching both the Ball and Matthews sides lose in the manner in which they did. I don't know whether this crop of juniors are lacking in ability as I haven't seen enough of them to really determine that as fact. What I was taken aback by was there apparent inability to do even the most basic of fundamentals right. What I can say for sure on the evidence of last week is there are less potential future NRL stars in the two sides than there has been in the past three seasons.

Mate iam a die hard to ,but iam not surprised by the mats team failure so far,to many ego driven agendas by parents for a start

 

[ranga]

let get it right 1. George was a trainer at st marys 2. Academy was run bye jmmy last two years he would of had a big say who coach and what player are picked.3.rep selector are pick bye jimmy bar two who are mates of he so there pick the player and jimmy say yes or no look aT NATHAN A who do you think did not pick him great game on the weekend and did he not win the comp mmm 4. let look at how many st clair and st doms kids are in matts not many but could do a better job

you need to make your mind up ,do you want players in the team that won the comp or not ,and the academy is a joint venture by parra and penrith , i dont think jim ran it

 

[ranga]

it is never over until the fat lady sings, both mats and ball have some real talent and both teams really have not performed, why? There would probably be many reasons and plenty of people to blame if your were looking to blame somebody. Ranga seems to have an axe to grind, probably emotionally damaged from previous years. The players need support and direction from everyone, clubs , parents, coaches, trainers etc.

no axe to grind ,just telling it like it is like it or not

 

[Bashem]

if the coach put the players in the right positions i think that this hm team could succeed in this comp, however just like somone said before if they are good enough to play under any coach why are they not doing so?
i think that there are some very tallented players in the team that can adapt to the coaching style or his game plans, but none have done so?
does that tell you something?

 

[Kilkenny]

if the coach put the players in the right positions i think that this hm team could succeed in this comp, however just like somone said before if they are good enough to play under any coach why are they not doing so?
i think that there are some very tallented players in the team that can adapt to the coaching style or his game plans, but none have done so?
does that tell you something?

It's all too convenient to blame the coaching staff. You surely have to have the playing talent to begin with otherwise there ain't a whole lot the coaching staff are going to be able to work with.

 

[half_back]

So your saying these kids are uncomfortable with a game plan that doesnt suit there individual needs ,I say suck it up sister and welcome to the real world ,if there as good as you all think they need to start to listen to other coaches and learn different ways to play,most of these boys have only known one coach and are suffering for this. All the supporters of these boys seem to be able to quote from rugby league manuals ,how about you get some original ideas and maybe you could get a gig as a coach ,but then again its probably best you apply for a mini or mod team so your kid can get the ball all the time

Thanks for putting words in my mouth ranga but no Im not saying that these kids are uncomfortable with a game plan that doesnt suit there individual needs. What I am saying is that for many this is thier first serious exposure to rep footy and they need guidance and structure. NRL teams today are the most structured for many years. They work tirelessly on core skills, patterns of defence and ways to break other teams down. That should start here for these kids. You made one good point at least when you said most have only ever known one coach and one way of doing things. So any new coach must re-educate them. You cant have half a team defending with one sytem while the other half defend completely differently because its all they know. Then have another who plays plus ones in offence while a another hits the edges early. He hasnt provided them with a system or structured game plan hence they look like a rabble with no idea no direction and no structure. I would have thought you would have known this considering you yourself must be such an experienced coach.

 

[BOMAR]

zI find it amusing that people are critising posters and parents for blaming the coaching staff. These are the same people that have been watching our first grade team not playing up to expectations for the past few seasons and everyone wanting mat elliots blood.

 

[half_back]

It's all too convenient to blame the coaching staff. You surely have to have the playing talent to begin with otherwise there ain't a whole lot the coaching staff are going to be able to work with.

While your point is a valid one Kilkenny doesnt the fact that Academy with the "leftovers" from Penrith (and Parra) topple the pre season favourites in Newcastle and then Roosters with many penrtih players not good enough to make either the panthers or academy squad beat the "first" team illustrate that he has more to work with than either of these two coaches but is coming up short? These coaches have produced quality from seemingly limited rosters.

I have said before that the overall standard of the Matts this year is down on the past, but comparatively the Penrith squad is one of the strongest in the comp with Newcastle, parra and dogs. Players who have excelled previously (for their age) and made NSW and Australian teams dont suddenly become bad players. He does have cattle compared to the rest of the comp. Maybe none of these playes will go on to play NRL, from recent performances you wouldnt think so but they are still some of the top players in that age group and should be performing better. A coach needs to get this out of them.

 

[sweet-as]

Penrith harold matts won 38-16 today against Illawarra at albion park.

Tai Tuivasa came off the bench and scored 3 tries.
Ryan wilson was probably my man of the match though, setting up some very good tries.