Harold Matthews and SG Ball Discussion Thread

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Friday 2 July
Championship Final
NSWCHS 44 (Tries: Salesi Funaki 2, Alex Johnston 2, Deejay Harris 2, Zach Clay, Addison Demetriou Goals: Deejay Harris 6)defeated Queensland Whites 10 (Tries: Cade Maloney, Ryan Mitchell Goals: Delayne Ashby)

John Allen Trophy Final:
Victoria 38 (Tries: Jarred Hargreaves-Mataese 3, Brandon Manase 2, Aaron Teroi, Manse Tuilotolava Goals: Aaron Teroi 2 Brandon Manase 2, Jarred Hargreaves-Mataese)defeated Western Australia 18 (Tries: Dylan Howell 2, John Hookham Goals: Brandon Heta 3)NSWCCC 52 (Tries: Godfrey Agyemang 2, Misieli Vaikeli, Nicolas Bell, Andrew Heffernan, Jackson Clarke, Jye Mamo, Tu’uta Langi, Tepai Smith Goals: Christian Kagiasis 5, Jaye Fuimaono 3) defeated ACT 6 (Tries: Aiden Armati Goals: Aiden Armati)

Queensland Maroons 68 (Tries: Lorenzo Vogel 3, Paul Byrnes 2, Codey Kennedy 2, Joseph Ofahengaue, Luke Bateman, Jayden Berrell, Brenko Lee, Perry, Ioane Goals: Ashley Taylor 10)defeated NSWCIS 0

AUSTRALIAN SECONDARY SCHOOLS RUGBY LEAGUE
15 YEARS POOL A MERIT TEAM 2010

STATE NO.​

SCHOOL​

NAME​

1​

NSWCHS 1​

Endeavour Sports High School
Alex Johnston

2​

QLD White 20​

Roma State College
Ryan Mitchell

3​

NSWCHS 3 ​

Illawarra Sports High School
DeeJay Harris

4​

QLD White 16
Bundaberg North State High School
Joshua Birch

5​

NSWCHS 5​

Bass High School
Sione f**kof**ka

6​

QLD White 14​

Emmaus College Rockhampton
Duncan Paia’aua

7​

NSWCHS 6​

Illawarra Sports High School
Jack Bird

8​

NSWCHS 10​

NBSC Cromer
Robert Wolfgramm

9​

NSWCHS 9​

Hills Sports High School
Zach Clay

10​

QLD Maroon 16​

The Cathedral College Rockhampton
Harry Pondekas

11​

NSWCHS 11​

Eden Marine High School
Euan Aitken

12​

NSWCHS 12​

Westfields Sports High School
Salesi Funaki

13​

NSWCHS 13​

Bass High School
Addison Demetriou


AUSTRALIAN SECONDARY SCHOOLS RUGBY LEAGUE
15 YEARS POOL B MERIT TEAM
2010

STATE NO.​

SCHOOL​

NAME​

1​

NT 1​

Nightcliff Middle School
Leroy Larson

2​

NT 2​

Nhulunbuy High School
Thomas Pearce

3​

WA 3​

Carine State High School
Dylan King

4​

VIC 3​

St Peter’s College Cranbourne
Brandon Manase

5​

VIC 5​

Penola Catholic College
Chanel Seigafo

6​

VIC 6​

Craigieburn Secondary College
Aaron Teroi

7​

NT 7​

Darwin High School
James Redman

8​

WA 12​

Lake Joondalup Baptist College
Jean-Charl Smith

9​

SA 9​

Windsor Gardens Vocational College
Dylan McLay

10​

SA 10​

Windsor Gardens Vocational College
Nathaniel Damen

11​

WA 11​

Kalgoorlie State High School
Royce Hunt

12​

NT 12​

Casuarina Senior College
Kyle O’Brien

13​

NT 13​

Darwin High School
David Munroe

STATE TEAMS MOST VALUABLE PLAYERS​

Association​

Number​

Player​

School​

ACT​

# 5​

Keith Morgan​

St Edmunds College​

NSWCCC​

# 11​

Jaye Fuimaono​

Patrician Brothers College Blacktown​

NSWCHS​

# 12​

Salesi Funaki​

Westfields Sports High School​

NSWCIS​

# 11​

Riley Byrne​

St Stanislaus College Bathurst​

Northern Territory​

# 12​

Kyle O’Brien​

Casuarina Senior College​

Qld Maroon​

# 12​

Luke Bateman​

Clairvaux Mackillop College Brisbane​

Qld White​

# 17​

Dylan McGrath​

Miles State High School​

South Australia​

# 4​

Jake Anderson​

Reynella East High School​

Victoria​

# 3​

Brandon Manase​

St Peters College Cranbourne​

Western Australia​

# 12​

Jean-Charl Smith​

Lake Joondalup Baptist College​

 

[ashton]

Viapuna Tia Kilifi and Harry Siejka named in the Australian schoolboy under 18 side.

 

[ashton]

Australian Under 18 Schoolboy side 2010

Lachlan Burr Picnic Point High School, NSW
Paul Carter Homebush Boys High School, NSW
Michael Chee-Kam Erindale College, ACT
Cameron Cullen Palm Beach Currumbin State High School, QLD
Matthew Eisenhuth St Paul’s Catholic College, Greystanes, NSW
Anthony Gadd Wavell State High School, QLD
Jacob Gagan Westfields Sports High School, NSW
Christopher Grevsmuhl Ignatius Park College, Townsville, QLD
Matthew Groat St Gregory’s College, Campbelltown, NSW
Sam Irwin Palm Beach Currumbin State High School, QLD
Trent Jennings Westfields Sports High School, NSW
David Klemmer Westfields Sports High School, NSW
Gerard McCallum The Hills Sports High School, NSW
Tautau Moga St Peter Claver College, Ipswich, QLD
David Nofoaluma John Therry Catholic College, Rosemeadow, NSW
Luke Pickerd St Patrick’s College, Sutherland, NSW
Chad Redman Hunter Sports High School , NSW
Iain Riccardi Wavell State High School, QLD
Harry Siejka Patrician Brothers College, Blacktown, NSW
James Tedesco St Gregory’s College, Campbelltown, NSW
Vaipuna Tia Kilifi St Dominic’s College, Kingswood, NSW
Francis VeukisoKirwan State High School, QLD
Henare WellsKeebra Park State High School, QLD
Jack Wighton Erindale College, ACT

Coach:Brendan Barlow QSSRL
Team Manager:John Culbert NSWCHS
Tour Manager:Stephen Hooper NSWCCC
Trainer:Geoff Eggert QSSRL
Physiotherapist:Ben Heidenreich QSSRL
ASSRL Executive OfficerGrant Edwards
ARL RepresentativeJohn Coates

 

[stretcher]

Australian Under 18 Schoolboy side 2010

Lachlan Burr Picnic Point High School, NSW
Paul Carter Homebush Boys High School, NSW
Michael Chee-Kam Erindale College, ACT
Cameron Cullen Palm Beach Currumbin State High School, QLD
Matthew Eisenhuth St Paul’s Catholic College, Greystanes, NSW
Anthony Gadd Wavell State High School, QLD
Jacob Gagan Westfields Sports High School, NSW
Christopher Grevsmuhl Ignatius Park College, Townsville, QLD
Matthew Groat St Gregory’s College, Campbelltown, NSW
Sam Irwin Palm Beach Currumbin State High School, QLD
Trent Jennings Westfields Sports High School, NSW
David Klemmer Westfields Sports High School, NSW
Gerard McCallum The Hills Sports High School, NSW
Tautau Moga St Peter Claver College, Ipswich, QLD
David Nofoaluma John Therry Catholic College, Rosemeadow, NSW
Luke Pickerd St Patrick’s College, Sutherland, NSW
Chad Redman Hunter Sports High School , NSW
Iain Riccardi Wavell State High School, QLD
Harry Siejka Patrician Brothers College, Blacktown, NSW
James Tedesco St Gregory’s College, Campbelltown, NSW
Vaipuna Tia Kilifi St Dominic’s College, Kingswood, NSW
Francis VeukisoKirwan State High School, QLD
Henare WellsKeebra Park State High School, QLD
Jack Wighton Erindale College, ACT

Coach:Brendan Barlow QSSRL
Team Manager:John Culbert NSWCHS
Tour Manager:Stephen Hooper NSWCCC
Trainer:Geoff Eggert QSSRL
Physiotherapist:Ben Heidenreich QSSRL
ASSRL Executive OfficerGrant Edwards
ARL RepresentativeJohn Coates

from all reports blake south had an awesome tournament and outplayed all the hookers but because ccc didnt make the final he missed out that just goes to show the teachers have certain protical when picking sides considering harry threw the intercept pass that lost the semi final for ccc when scores were 12all with minutes left and ccc would of won on a count back being first try scorers and obviously he was penciled in i also believe tom eisunhuth got injured therefore limiting his chances p.s did i mention jacob gagan made it with only playing 20mins all tournament what a joke some players are already penciled in and thats why a lot dont go on to play first grade from that aussie squad...

 

[greenfins]

Harry Siejka schoolboy my arsee, ask him how many days he went to school.

 

[stretcher]

Harry Siejka schoolboy my arsee, ask him how many days he went to school.

I think he has increased his attendance to one day a week now hence the reason i think the aussie team is penciled in before the tournament and it says a lot about the credibility of the selectors involved...

 

[murraymob]

has ian riccardi from wavel signed with us

 

[stretcher]

has ian riccardi from wavel signed with us

That is what ive heard he is only 17 so it will be for ball and hopefully then 20s cause this hombre can play..........

 

[half_back]

from all reports blake south had an awesome tournament and outplayed all the hookers but because ccc didnt make the final he missed out that just goes to show the teachers have certain protical when picking sides considering harry threw the intercept pass that lost the semi final for ccc when scores were 12all with minutes left and ccc would of won on a count back being first try scorers and obviously he was penciled in i also believe tom eisunhuth got injured therefore limiting his chances p.s did i mention jacob gagan made it with only playing 20mins all tournament what a joke some players are already penciled in and thats why a lot dont go on to play first grade from that aussie squad...

Sam Irwin was easily the best hooker there. Close between Redman and South neither possessed the quickness around the ruck of Irwin. Redman had a very good final and that got him across the line. They both were very solid in defence and found opportunities to get out of dummy half.
Very light on for 7s. None stood up and with needing to pick 2 from the three top teams Harry got nod along with Cullen from Qld cause they were least worst, rather than best. Both showed signs of dominating the game even if both were at times selfish and took several wrong options. Dont know where you got that Gagan only played 20 minutes I saw all CHS games and he played much more than that and was safe and secure even if unspectacular. Players aren't pencilled in beforehand. With selectors across a host of teams/states most selectors dont see junior rep games and know players. If it was chosen pre tournament how come Dale Clacherty who represented NSW 18s only a few weeks earlier couldn't seal an outside back position? It was because he didnt play well while others did.

 

[murraymob]

Halfback

how did vapuna tia killifi go in this competition in your opinion.I see he made the australian side but what did you think of his performances

 

[stretcher]

Sam Irwin was easily the best hooker there. Close between Redman and South neither possessed the quickness around the ruck of Irwin. Redman had a very good final and that got him across the line. They both were very solid in defence and found opportunities to get out of dummy half.
Very light on for 7s. None stood up and with needing to pick 2 from the three top teams Harry got nod along with Cullen from Qld cause they were least worst, rather than best. Both showed signs of dominating the game even if both were at times selfish and took several wrong options. Dont know where you got that Gagan only played 20 minutes I saw all CHS games and he played much more than that and was safe and secure even if unspectacular. Players aren't pencilled in beforehand. With selectors across a host of teams/states most selectors dont see junior rep games and know players. If it was chosen pre tournament how come Dale Clacherty who represented NSW 18s only a few weeks earlier couldn't seal an outside back position? It was because he didnt play well while others did.

As you repeated i said penciled in which means you can get rubbed out if you play poor ive heard every player that has played 20s this year were PENCILED in and gagan played a couple of games which totalled roughly 20-30 minutes and he didnt impress you cause he was injured and still made it and in relation to redman making it over south is because his team made the final so they automatically make it which is my point in blake souths last game he also got man of the match so if you make the final your in not the best player,also clacherty wasnt the only nsw rep that didnt make it.Now i dont know about you but picking three halfbacks is rediculous and the idea of using one as a backup hooker they already have a backup hooker so it comes down to coaches favourites not the best players they should have an independent selector have not an teacher who has never played the game is my point......

 

[half_back]

Halfback

how did vapuna tia killifi go in this competition in your opinion.I see he made the australian side but what did you think of his performances

He went really well. Kept bending the line back when he took the ball up was aggressive in attack and defence. Got more minutes as the tournament went on due to his performances and injuries to other team members and stepped up every time. Saw him in some of the lead up games that CCC played and wasnt impressed. But to his credit was very good when it counted at the championships.

 

[blackandwhite]

from all reports blake south had an awesome tournament and outplayed all the hookers but because ccc didnt make the final he missed out that just goes to show the teachers have certain protical when picking sides considering harry threw the intercept pass that lost the semi final for ccc when scores were 12all with minutes left and ccc would of won on a count back being first try scorers and obviously he was penciled in i also believe tom eisunhuth got injured therefore limiting his chances p.s did i mention jacob gagan made it with only playing 20mins all tournament what a joke some players are already penciled in and thats why a lot dont go on to play first grade from that aussie squad...

Blake South did play well but the two top hookers where Redman and Irwin.

Harry can be very good (1st game) or very bad(2nd game) there is no inbetween.

Tom Eisunhuth was unlucky he did have limited chances but still played well.

Jacob Gagan...still shaking my head on that one..I think he was even shocked to get in...Gagan on what was displayed at the tournament would have at best been the 3rd choice winger behind Tedesco and Rockolati.

 

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As you repeated i said penciled in which means you can get rubbed out if you play poor ive heard every player that has played 20s this year were PENCILED in and gagan played a couple of games which totalled roughly 20-30 minutes and he didnt impress you cause he was injured and still made it and in relation to redman making it over south is because his team made the final so they automatically make it which is my point in blake souths last game he also got man of the match so if you make the final your in not the best player,also clacherty wasnt the only nsw rep that didnt make it.Now i dont know about you but picking three halfbacks is rediculous and the idea of using one as a backup hooker they already have a backup hooker so it comes down to coaches favourites not the best players they should have an independent selector have not an teacher who has never played the game is my point......

You are way off the mark!
1. You said South "outplayed all the hookers" he didnt he was easily behind Irwin and a touch behind Redman.
2. CCC had 7 selected, CHS had 7 selected, QLD had 8 selected, hardly supports your theory that playing in the Final is needed to automatically make it, but rather reflects the closeness of the competition where each team had a loss and a win in the rounds and where CCC missed a conversion after the bell in the semi to level the game.
3. Each association had a selector so hardly Coaches favourites. the process is a democratic vote on players
4. Gagan was somewhat lucky but Murphy (CCC) and Greber (QLD) were terrible. Murhpy moved to backrow and Greber saw little gametime after first up shocker. Rockolati only main challenger as Tedesco and Wells also chosen but his defence let him down a couple of times so no massive suprise Gagan got nod.
5. Whebe also played 20s but not chosen even though only one 5/8 was ultimately selected. Didn't have a bad tournament and played final in winning team.
6. On a big tour not suprising to pick 2 Halves. Cullen and Seijka. All positions have at least 2 cover for the tour.

Stretcher you have some very definite ideas on how some were hard done by or others had preferential treatment for someone who obviously didnt attend. Probably better to ask general opinions on players performance or how selections are conducted to get a more rounded opinion. Many on here have them.

 

[stretcher]

You are way off the mark!
1. You said South "outplayed all the hookers" he didnt he was easily behind Irwin and a touch behind Redman.
2. CCC had 7 selected, CHS had 7 selected, QLD had 8 selected, hardly supports your theory that playing in the Final is needed to automatically make it, but rather reflects the closeness of the competition where each team had a loss and a win in the rounds and where CCC missed a conversion after the bell in the semi to level the game.
3. Each association had a selector so hardly Coaches favourites. the process is a democratic vote on players
4. Gagan was somewhat lucky but Murphy (CCC) and Greber (QLD) were terrible. Murhpy moved to backrow and Greber saw little gametime after first up shocker. Rockolati only main challenger as Tedesco and Wells also chosen but his defence let him down a couple of times so no massive suprise Gagan got nod.
5. Whebe also played 20s but not chosen even though only one 5/8 was ultimately selected. Didn't have a bad tournament and played final in winning team.
6. On a big tour not suprising to pick 2 Halves. Cullen and Seijka. All positions have at least 2 cover for the tour.

Stretcher you have some very definite ideas on how some were hard done by or others had preferential treatment for someone who obviously didnt attend. Probably better to ask general opinions on players performance or how selections are conducted to get a more rounded opinion. Many on here have them.

I did better than that i asked a selector and got some stats and the stats of the hookers especially and the hooker with most dummy half runs SOUTH most line breaks SOUTH most tackles SOUTH equal with redman in tries and last but not least hookers with most try assist drumroll yep you guessed it SOUTH is my point a little clearer now...but i will say queensland hooker was very very good and i do believe redman had three runs for 10metres gained and fell over the line for try in the final huge stats...not

 

[stretcher]

I did better than that i asked a selector and got some stats and the stats of the hookers especially and the hooker with most dummy half runs SOUTH most line breaks SOUTH most tackles SOUTH equal with redman in tries and last but not least hookers with most try assist drumroll yep you guessed it SOUTH is my point a little clearer now...but i will say queensland hooker was very very good and i do believe redman had three runs for 10metres gained and fell over the line for try in the final huge stats...not

And i wonder how many of the guys picked from ccc and others actually get in the starting team or get an actual game they were picked to make up the 24 they take...

 

[half_back]

And i wonder how many of the guys picked from ccc and others actually get in the starting team or get an actual game they were picked to make up the 24 they take...

From the starting side they picked CHS have 5, QLD 4, CCC 3 and ACT 1. Pretty fair reflection I would think.

 

[stretcher]

From the starting side they picked CHS have 5, QLD 4, CCC 3 and ACT 1. Pretty fair reflection I would think.

What starting side they wouldnt of picked a starting for the first test yet my point was no ccc boys apart from groat would be certain starters..

 

[pickanuts]

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[half_back]

What starting side they wouldnt of picked a starting for the first test yet my point was no ccc boys apart from groat would be certain starters..

I assumed your selector mate would have told you that they selected a top 13 as their "ideal" starting side for the academy games at the end of the tour. All the boys will get game time early, its quite reasonable to suggest with the easy games first Groat wont start there, but in the "prefferred" team the numbers are as I said which is a fair representation of the championships. FYI Groat was in the top 13 along with 3 others from CCC.