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Hayne to the NFL???

magpie4ever

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every person who has posted in this thread will watch that doco to a man. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

Can't wait to see how this all goes down

Only when it turns up on the web or a tv network as a freebie. I would not pay to watch that shite.
 

Sujskiez

Juniors
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I bet that if hayne succesfully makes it to nfl this documentary will played for the next 10 years to all the kids to make them understand that no dream is too small or big to accomplish if your heart is set on it.
 

WaznTheGreat

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I bet that if hayne succesfully makes it to nfl this documentary will played for the next 10 years to all the kids to make them understand that no dream is too small or big to accomplish if your heart is set on it.


True dat,that's the whole reason he's making it,to inspire people.
 

Asnito

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For what it's worth I figured I would post to clarify a few things. Been following the NRL for 4 years now and grew up playing football from peewee through high school into college.

I haven't followed the NFL in over a decade and for anybody who does if you get a chance check out NCAA football, bigger crowds, better atmosphere, higher intensity/desire and more unpredictable.

As far as Hayne goes he's gonna be up against it. If the 4.7 40 number is correct he's gonna struggle. He's built like a strong safety but runs like an ILB/DE. To put into perspective J Clowney who went 1st overall ran a 4.55 40 and he the same size as G Burgess, 6'5" 265.

He might be able to make it as a KR/PR but w/ roster limits he has to offer more. He also has to play as a gunner and work really hard at becoming a #5 WR(slot).

He doesn't have the size to play outside at WR, think Edrick Lee, and he wouldn't make it at running back. Most NFL backs are in the mold of Michael Jennings and the easiest thing a running back does is run the ball.
Blitz pickup, releasing to the flat, finding the soft spot in the zone etc.. takes a lot of practice and hundreds or hours of film study.

IMO he will be back in the NRL for 2016. The biggest thing I would worry about is he hasn't learned how to protect himself, namely his legs. In football yards/meters are much more of a premium. The no wrapping up to stop the offload it's about stopping forward progress i.e. running full speed and diving at the knees. There's a reason why the average NFL running back only plays 2.5 years.
 

Asnito

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Also for anybody interested in learning about some of the complexities of football there's a youtube video of Andrew Luck(Colts) and John Gruden.

"Spider 3 Y Banana" is the play then look up "Green Right Strong Slot Spider 2 Y Banana" which is a variation of the previous play. It's not a video but explains the different verbage and what it all means.
 

Parra

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The overall play, reasoning and strategy is complex. However for offense the role of each individual is relatively straightforward - well except the QB. The key is execution of each straightforward role. The complexity is in the overall movement and timing.
 

AlwaysGreen

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So not only do you have to have super human physical powers to play NFL but you also have to be a member of Mensa and a chess Grand Master.
 

Canard

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Also for anybody interested in learning about some of the complexities of football there's a youtube video of Andrew Luck(Colts) and John Gruden.

"Spider 3 Y Banana" is the play then look up "Green Right Strong Slot Spider 2 Y Banana" which is a variation of the previous play. It's not a video but explains the different verbage and what it all means.

I don't think your initial post is miles away from the truth, but you (and others) keep claiming that only superhumans and geniuses play NFL.

Why would you expect Hayne to learn the the same offense playbook as a QB?

Why do some posters on here only bring up the most elite athletes in the NFL and the most intense positions in terms of learning and claim that if he can't match that he is no chance. Its like saying if your not a combination of Inglis and Thurston you can't play NRL.

Why is nobody mentioning all the numbskulls that play NFL that can barely read or have the maturity of a 13 year old?

I also think your last para in your initial post is wrong, I'd expect him to be playing French or Japanese Rugby if this doesn't pan out. Oh and the average lifespan of a NRL player is around 2 years also (maybe even less)
 

Asnito

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They can definately streamline the playbook for him and ignoring the fact they could draft/sign somebody they wouldn't have to do that for, there's a lot of skill that goes into running a good route.

He's going to struggle to create separation in press coverage and it's not because he's not a good athelete. He's going to be going against guys that have 15+ years experience defending against it and he's coming to the party a little too late.

Also offensive line is really complicated, right behind QB and if they put him in at running back I think defenses would key in on that and dial up a scheme to attack his lack of experience.
 

Asnito

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I don't think your initial post is miles away from the truth, but you (and others) keep claiming that only superhumans and geniuses play NFL.

Why would you expect Hayne to learn the the same offense playbook as a QB?

Why do some posters on here only bring up the most elite athletes in the NFL and the most intense positions in terms of learning and claim that if he can't match that he is no chance. Its like saying if your not a combination of Inglis and Thurston you can't play NRL.

Why is nobody mentioning all the numbskulls that play NFL that can barely read or have the maturity of a 13 year old?

I also think your last para in your initial post is wrong, I'd expect him to be playing French or Japanese Rugby if this doesn't pan out. Oh and the average lifespan of a NRL player is around 2 years also (maybe even less)
I totally agree with you about the knuckleheads in the NFL, hence why I stick to watching NCAAF only. The problems he faces is that there is so much knowledge he needs to catch up on.

I don't exact numbers but I'm sure NFL players are watching at least 10+ hours of tape a week and have been for years. I know in positional meetings i.e. ILB, TE, CB etc.. they'll go back years and show plays, tendencies, strengths, weakness' of all the players you will be matched up against.

I remember watching a college game several years ago where a coach picked up on a small tell in how a lineman set his feet that allowed his defense to know when it was going to be a run or a pass.

The more he puts on tape the more he will be scrutinized and the ability to overcome that at this point of his career is going to be hard.
 

Canard

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They can definately streamline the playbook for him and ignoring the fact they could draft/sign somebody they wouldn't have to do that for, there's a lot of skill that goes into running a good route.

He's going to struggle to create separation in press coverage and it's not because he's not a good athelete. He's going to be going against guys that have 15+ years experience defending against it and he's coming to the party a little too late.

Also offensive line is really complicated, right behind QB and if they put him in at running back I think defenses would key in on that and dial up a scheme to attack his lack of experience.

I totally agree with you about the knuckleheads in the NFL, hence why I stick to watching NCAAF only. The problems he faces is that there is so much knowledge he needs to catch up on.

I don't exact numbers but I'm sure NFL players are watching at least 10+ hours of tape a week and have been for years. I know in positional meetings i.e. ILB, TE, CB etc.. they'll go back years and show plays, tendencies, strengths, weakness' of all the players you will be matched up against.

I remember watching a college game several years ago where a coach picked up on a small tell in how a lineman set his feet that allowed his defense to know when it was going to be a run or a pass.

The more he puts on tape the more he will be scrutinized and the ability to overcome that at this point of his career is going to be hard.

Frankly mate a lot of this is just a lot of buzzwords and jargon to make yourself look knowledgeable. You don't think that NRL players watch lots of video as well?

In short your saying "It's going to be hard to adapt". Which I think most people are agreeing with. I just don't agree that its virtually impossible.
 

bottle

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I am increasingly in awe of NFL players.
Why aren't they engaged in more high profile positions after their playing careers, like President of the World, or Ambassador to the Universe?
Send a half a dozen to the Middle East and they'd shut those ISIL f**kers down quick smart.
 
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They can definately streamline the playbook for him and ignoring the fact they could draft/sign somebody they wouldn't have to do that for, there's a lot of skill that goes into running a good route.

He's going to struggle to create separation in press coverage and it's not because he's not a good athelete. He's going to be going against guys that have 15+ years experience defending against it and he's coming to the party a little too late.

Also offensive line is really complicated, right behind QB and if they put him in at running back I think defenses would key in on that and dial up a scheme to attack his lack of experience.

You could well be right, but what he does bring to the table is unpredictability (whether that is suited to a structured sport like NFL is another story). Defenders will be defending him much like they do every other player with 15 years NFL experience, but Hayne wont play like that (because he doesn't have the experience to do so). Could be a revelation, could be a bust. I'm backing bust, but i'll enjoy watching him have a crack.
 

LineBall

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every person who has posted in this thread will watch that doco to a man. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

Can't wait to see how this all goes down

Bullshit. Good luck to him, but I couldn't care less about a guy who has a good season once every 4 years or so.
 

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