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Hopoate to Parra 2014

boxhead

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Whoever believes 800K will be his salary is a moron.
Whoever believes Danny Weidler is a whackjob idiot.
 

Eagle_Rocker

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Who ever believes any newspaper on salary figures of players r idiots


I love it how when Parramatta sign players for huge money the figures reported in the paper are wrong and people who believe them are stupid. However, should someone sign a Parramatta junior and eels fans blow up quoting salary figures from the paper.
 

Loudstrat

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Pfft. Manly were the masters at that. Scott Fulton. Kane Cleal.

Manly offered a kings ransom to get TRex before he played first grade anyway. Manly were also very very dodgey in the way they signed Killer while he was still on conract at Parra.
 
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winnyason

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As a avid eagles fans, well parra get one up on us. Good on the kid super money, the one thing i have to say to parra fans with the we got one up one you is well no you did not, we got jamie lyon who has had a massive influence on 3 grand final appearances and 8 back to back finals campaigns then turned trex into a dud footballer who hindmarsh did not rate and Jamie Buhrer so no we still have the ledger.

Good luck with his old man on coaching staff that is all i can say, see ya later hopoate one thing don't come back when things turn to shit at parra like they always do.

While the kid is a super talent we still easily won games with out him when wolfman and robbo where on wings, our club will win more titles as long as dce, foran, lyon, watmough and stewart boys. Our wing will still be strong david williams back ben farrar back from france, oldfield and whare as back up.
Young lussick is a rep player of future so more grand finals for manly more false hopes for parra.
 

Twizzle

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As a avid eagles fans, well parra get one up on us. Good on the kid super money, the one thing i have to say to parra fans with the we got one up one you is well no you did not, we got jamie lyon who has had a massive influence on 3 grand final appearances and 8 back to back finals campaigns then turned trex into a dud footballer who hindmarsh did not rate and Jamie Buhrer so no we still have the ledger.

Good luck with his old man on coaching staff that is all i can say, see ya later hopoate one thing don't come back when things turn to shit at parra like they always do.

While the kid is a super talent we still easily won games with out him when wolfman and robbo where on wings, our club will win more titles as long as dce, foran, lyon, watmough and stewart boys. Our wing will still be strong david williams back ben farrar back from france, oldfield and whare as back up.
Young lussick is a rep player of future so more grand finals for manly more false hopes for parra.

I tend to agree, fortunately for you guys you've poached enough Eels players to provide back up for Hoppa.
 

Penrose Warrior

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Good on him for taking the money. Any Manly fans begrudging him doing so are fools of the highest order.

Although if he was making comments on Sunday night that he was going to be loyal to Manly, then I probably need to rescind those comments to an extent.

I would imagine when he re-emerges in 2014, Parra will have a pretty sharp side.

Anyone think they've signed him, and made him part of the cap for 2012/13 (if they have) is in case he decides to change his mind and play?
 

BuffaloRules

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...s-and-sea-eagles/story-e6frfgbo-1226158484665

PARRAMATTA'S massive $850,000 a season pricetag for Manly winger Will Hopoate has reignited the bitter rivalry between the former arch-rivals.
Hostilities between the two clubs, fierce rivals during the 1980s, are again high as the Sea Eagles digest the massive deal that lured Hopoate to Parramatta after he completes his two year Mormon mission in 2014.
Parramatta has denied there is anything untoward in the deal, privately claiming Hopoate's desire to play under coach Steve Kearney sealed it.
But speculation was rife last night that the Eels were looking to exploit a loophole in salary cap rules to pay Hopoate what would be the equivalent $850,000 a season - suggesting Hopoate will be paid $100,000 during his two-year mission.

Hopoate's father, John, could also be offered a job by the club.
The deal was put together by Hopoate's manager, Tyran Smith, and a former NSW Labor politician,

The Eels, who are comfortable with the legalities of the deal, are aware the NRL's new television rights deal will be in place by then, where it is expected the salary cap will have received a hefty increase to accommodate the enormous pricetag.

The Eels would not respond to the rumours yesterday, but a source claimed it was sour grapes from the Sea Eagles: "They've just lost a superstar," he said.
NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert confirmed last night that the Eels had earmarked the deal was not your usual contract, but would not discuss the specifics of the Eels' proposal.

"They have broached us with a couple of questions and we have said we will look at the deal in its entirety," Schubert said.
"We will make a couple of determinations then."

Hopoate, 19, is expected to sign the deal before the end of the week, after which the Eels have 10 days to register it with the NRL.
Club sources have denied they are trying to pay Hopoate during the two years he is out of the game or that there is anything else unusual about the contract. Tyran Smith is a former teammate, and still a close friend, of John Hopoate, whose experience in the game swayed his son to take the biggest offer available.
Schubert acknowledged that such circumstances - Hopoate's return after a two-year Mormon mission - are untested in the NRL.
"To our knowledge no player has ever gone off on a two year mission before," he said. He would not be drawn on the legality of the contract until he had seen it.
"It depends what it is they're doing," Schubert said.

"We get a number of requests to examine things each year but they are all different."
Under NRL rules the Eels are allowed to pay Hopoate during the two seasons he fulfils his mission for the church as long as it is included in their salary cap.
However last night there was still some dispute over whether it would need to be included in the two years he is away from the game or whether it would be incorporated in the two years Hopoate actually plays.

Looks like Paul Kent is buying into Weidler's "BS"...:lol:
 

_Johnsy

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Add another Hoppa to the list.


A third Hopoate has quit Manly for Parramatta.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/will-hopoates-brother-jamil-also-leaves-manly-sea-eagles-to-sign-with-parramatta-eels/story-fn2mcuj6-1226158739446

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that rising star Jamil Hopoate, who some suggest has more potential than older brother Will, has signed with the Eels.

Details of the deal are to be confirmed but Jamil is to move to the Eels with Will and their father John, who will have a coaching role.

Sources claim the Hopoate family will shift across town for a combined figure of about $800,000 a season.

Manly offered Will close to $500,000 a year but he still walked away from Brookvale.

He has agreed to play with Parramatta for two years from 2014, after his two-year Mormon mission.

John is set to collect $200,000 as part of Parramatta's coaching staff.

Jamil, a utility forward in the Jamie Buhrer mould, is just 17 and played his junior representative footy with Manly.

He also played junior rep rugby union but wants a future in league at Parramatta from next season.

The exodus ends a 20-year association between Manly and the Hopoate family.

"Jamil is going to play with his brother," Manly coach Des Hasler said.

"I understand that. Jamil is a fine young player."
 

boxhead

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You people are forgetting two important points.
1. The figure came from Manly "insiders".
2. Souths used this tactic to cover up the fact they lost one of their best players.
It's a bullsh*t figure and I have to laugh at anyone that thinks it is the right figure.
However, if I am wrong and he is being paid that much then I have to wonder "why"? I'm not worried though because I do know it isn't the case.
And Paul Kent buying into the Weasel's crap....... :lol:
 

winnyason

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I tend to agree, fortunately for you guys you've poached enough Eels players to provide back up for Hoppa

nothing has changed since he parra days still injury prone, i really think if fit young whare could be another hopoate, scored hat trick in debut now has oppotunity given robbo and hopoate departure and wolfman uncertain future. Good on william i say this ends the 20 year association with club, it secures job for old man and you need to look after family, he is a good kid and in the end of the day we outright poached jaime lyon.
The wake up call for manly is if this is money being thrown around in the new tv deal then what money will foran and DCE get, will we be able to keep them along with the stewart boys,choc and killer.
 
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ozjet1

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that figure is absurd and just cant be true, but if it is, then parra are just f**ked. i dont care if there is an anticipated boost in the cap, an organisation shouldnt put pen to any contract, let alone one of that size to a player who will be out of the game for 2 years. no doubt, there are examples of players coming back after extended layoff from their sport to be competitive on return, such as Michael Vick. but alot can change in 2 years. he is a winger or centre at best. if he becomes a fullback, then it means shifting Hayne elsewhere. 5/8? not on what we saw in his time there this season?

parra need to set up a junior talent identification and development program. they've got one of the most productive nurseries in sydney yet continually lose the good ones to other clubs. it's cheaper to build a club around the grading of good juniors and scouted talent than having to continually go into the market and lure players on coin. besides, who knows what their needs will be in 2014? im certain a centre or winger wont be the difference. just ask 5ouff$.

seems as though the only consideration for Hoppa and his mgmt was cash. why not, strike while the iron is hot. but who knows what the state of parra or any club will be like on his return. particularly with all the sniping going on behind the scenes at parra.
 
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roarr

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doesnt the mormon church get 10% of their wage? Not a bad little kicker for them...
 
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Pierced Soul

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He has no idea, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets most of his info from these forums.

:lol: but no one on here is stupid enough to come up with a figure like that

Wendell Sailor was out of the game for 2 years, AND on the wrong side of 30 when he came back. And he didnt do to bad.

difference is experience. Wendall had done most of his development and knew a lot of the technical aspects of the game. sailor had played a lot of league at the top level as wlel as yawnion, he knew what was required to consistently perfrom on the bigegts stages, Hoppa hasnt had that - an origin game and a grand final are his biggest games - plus he's still developing as a player. I have no doubts he had the potential to be an absolutely outstanding player but i really do think the 2 years will harm him.

doesnt the mormon church get 10% of their wage? Not a bad little kicker for them...

:lol: surprised the mormons and hillsong churches arent encouraging more of their disciples to become pro athletes
 

Poupou Escobar

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besides, who knows what their needs will be in 2014?

Everybody except you by the looks of things.

Parra have 4 players contracted for 2014:

Hayne
Mannah
Sandow
Hopoate

Any recruitment/retention decisions they make between now and then will take these four contracts into account.

It's not some dark art.
 

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