How many years to fix Kearney's mess?

[bartman]

Mate, all I'm saying is a that a new coach with a revolutionary outlook could do away with all of those positions, inventing new defensive structures that again make the old terminology obsolete.

Otherwise I'd be surprised if Ben Smith didn't just step into the traditional Hindy "tackle everything in the middle" role for next year?

 

[Wise Old Eel]

The mess started when we hired a coach that did not want to either come to the club or live in Sydney

DF was so arrogant to sign the coach that beat the club in the 2001 GF that he apparently he was signed without any reference to the board etc.

That was the slippery dip as the focus went off our base and both Hagan and DA paid scant attention to building the club. We signed the most sought after asst coiach who proved to be a dud, I think we will do better next season, but salvation is at laast 2 years away.

Who, exactly, was he sought by?? It was all back room deals and propaganda. It shows how little the people running our club know. What other club would have made the decision to hire an untested coach and sack one of obvious ability?

I agree on the DF matter, though. That was a dumb decision. The SK decision was bordering on moronic.

WOE

 

[Wise Old Eel]

Hindy played tight forward this year - the position that used to be called 'lock' (except they never pack scrums at lock these days).

Next year someone will have to play there. The position requires someone who defends well and can play long minutes in the middle third.

The alternative is to play with three props on the field.

If you seriously think Hindmarsh will be that easy to replace, you are kidding yourself. The amount of try-saving tackles and cleanups of lose balls around the goal line alone made him worth more to the team than nearly anyone else. RS will have to have very strong defensive structures (oops, said the "s" word) in place just to minimise the damage.

WOE

 

[Casper The Ghost]

It only takes an off season to turn a footy club around. Given our roster for next year and how we've performed this season I'm not positive, but you never know. One thing is for sure signing Kearney has probably been the worst decision made by the club in the past 20 years.

At the ground after yesterday's game I said to Tony Bongo Anstee that I've been watching the Eels play since the early-mid 60's and these past two years (2011/2012) was the worst period I've ever seen Parramatta play. To me, the signing of Kearney and the sacking of Daniel Anderson were the worst decisions ever made by our club, at least since the early/mid 1960's.

 

[Eels Dude]

Grothe retired and tahu could not handle being told he would not be allowed to sit out the off- season

Yeah but the point still stands Kearney could have kept them both if he wanted to, in the end both players parted ways with him and club, but you cannot argue that he didn't have those two players available to him if he wanted to.

 

[Ratchy]

the sacking of Daniel Anderson were the worst decisions ever made by our club, at least since the early/mid 1960's.

That keeps being bandied around here way too much. While I believe Anderson should've been given the extra year to prove he was the right man for the job as he supposedly wanted to change the culture too. I highly doubt he would've been.

Lets not forget his very last game as coach where Cayless retired and how horrible the performance was that night not to mention that back end of the season. Hardly anywhere near the worst decision made by the club.

 

[Ratchy]

There are plenty of first grade forwards that didn't debut until their mid 20s. O'Hanlon was playing Toyota Cup just last year. Give him time.

O'Hanlon needs to consume a lot of protein in the off season to be never considered for a NRL birth. Maybe he should follow a certain Cowboys forward diet :lol:

 

[Ratchy]

Yeah but the point still stands Kearney could have kept them both if he wanted to, in the end both players parted ways with him and club, but you cannot argue that he didn't have those two players available to him if he wanted to.

I don't know the full story on Grothe but Kearney had every right to show Tahu the door.

 

[bartman]

That keeps being bandied around here way too much. While I believe Anderson should've been given the extra year to prove he was the right man for the job as he supposedly wanted to change the culture too.

It wasn't an extra year, it was part of his original contract.

Lets not forget his very last game as coach where Cayless retired and how horrible the performance was that night not to mention that back end of the season. Hardly anywhere near the worst decision made by the club.

You're right, we did appoint Osborne after all.

 

[Hanscholo]

I don't think he can fix it. He is too much of a frustrated hot head to be coaching kids.

Some glaring issues i have with this bloke as a club coach. Despite being a 7 has never had a 7 thrive under his coaching. That is despite having ample talent to work with over the years. He is addicted to defence. It worked wonders at the Roosters, a mature side on the verge of a premiership window. They came out and smashed sides with their defence, young sides with too few pre-seasons cant hope to do that and it eventually fails. His recruiting, he never had to do it at the roosters, Gus had already built the side. At the sharks he wasted money on poor quality overrated players. His answer to everything is to put more and more pressure on players. He treats himself as an entity outside of the club structure, and at the sharks just lumped blame on the players, this is despite his old mate phill gould offering to help him because 'ricky cant coach attack', which ended in outright war between the two.

In origin his style works well, aggressive defence, passion etc. That doesn't work at club level, not with kids. In the Origin series his lack of attacking coaching was there to be seen again. Despite having picked a very mobile pack NSW failed to move QLD around the park. There were no set plays for Uate or Hayne or Stewart back through the centre of the field to take advantage of QLD's lack of lateral movement. He isn't a tactical coach's arse.

I think for the money you blokes paid him, you wont be happy with the results. Another knee jerk appointment by an administration way out of its depth.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Mate, all I'm saying is a that a new coach with a revolutionary outlook could do away with all of those positions, inventing new defensive structures that again make the old terminology obsolete.

Otherwise I'd be surprised if Ben Smith didn't just step into the traditional Hindy "tackle everything in the middle" role for next year?

Yeah Ben Smith would have to be an option.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If you seriously think Hindmarsh will be that easy to replace, you are kidding yourself. The amount of try-saving tackles and cleanups of lose balls around the goal line alone made him worth more to the team than nearly anyone else. RS will have to have very strong defensive structures (oops, said the "s" word) in place just to minimise the damage.

WOE

I'm tipping our young blokes to lift with different leadership on the field.

 

[Sphagnum]

I'm tipping our young blokes to lift with different leadership on the field.

Reni Maitua. Best man for the job in that outfit.

Plays lots of minutes, leads from the front, speaks well and actually gives a shit about how the team is going on the field.

Best candidate for mine.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yep mine too. Looks the most like a leader out of any of them.

 

[Parraren]

I don't think he can fix it. He is too much of a frustrated hot head to be coaching kids.

Some glaring issues i have with this bloke as a club coach. Despite being a 7 has never had a 7 thrive under his coaching. That is despite having ample talent to work with over the years. He is addicted to defence. It worked wonders at the Roosters, a mature side on the verge of a premiership window. They came out and smashed sides with their defence, young sides with too few pre-seasons cant hope to do that and it eventually fails. His recruiting, he never had to do it at the roosters, Gus had already built the side. At the sharks he wasted money on poor quality overrated players. His answer to everything is to put more and more pressure on players. He treats himself as an entity outside of the club structure, and at the sharks just lumped blame on the players, this is despite his old mate phill gould offering to help him because 'ricky cant coach attack', which ended in outright war between the two.

In origin his style works well, aggressive defence, passion etc. That doesn't work at club level, not with kids. In the Origin series his lack of attacking coaching was there to be seen again. Despite having picked a very mobile pack NSW failed to move QLD around the park. There were no set plays for Uate or Hayne or Stewart back through the centre of the field to take advantage of QLD's lack of lateral movement. He isn't a tactical coach's arse.

I think for the money you blokes paid him, you wont be happy with the results. Another knee jerk appointment by an administration way out of its depth.

Some fair points you've raised there, in particular NSW's lack of attack. Ricky was also hell bent on picking an ageing Danny Buderus over Robbie Farah until Danny broke down. We would have lost the series 3-0 without Farah. He went with Ennis over Farah the year before as well.

He definitely comes with his faults but even he has admitted he made mistakes in the past and his time away from full time coaching has given him a different perspective/approach to coaching.

I disagree that it was a knee-jerk reaction though. Kearney was given plenty of rope by the club. Most wanted him gone by round 10 or earlier.

 

[fish eel]

Reni Maitua. Best man for the job in that outfit.

Plays lots of minutes, leads from the front, speaks well and actually gives a shit about how the team is going on the field.

Best candidate for mine.

Gives away dumb penalties and is well past his best.

Yep, prime candidate. :sarcasm:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We didn't say he's the best player; we said he's the best option for the captaincy.

 

[fish eel]

We didn't say he's the best player; we said he's the best option for the captaincy.

If the criteria is playing like rubbish for most of the year but looking like you've got the shits on occasion when things aren't gong well, then yep, Reni is the man.

 

[Sphagnum]

Gives away dumb penalties and is well past his best.

Yep, prime candidate. :sarcasm:

I'm pretty sure the refs are the ones giving away the 'dumb penalties'. He has had a few head scratchers go against him this year. He doesn't seem to be that ill-disciplined to me and played some terrific footy this year.

I also think he has the makings of a great leader which is what you want from your captain.

 

[hineyrulz]

Gives away dumb penalties and is well past his best.

Yep, prime candidate. :sarcasm:

Are you talking about Reni or Ben Smith????