How To Fix the NRL 101

[lockyno1]

Don't audiences and crowds drop for NRL games during origin? Seems not all fans are "fine with it".

Attendances are down right now! Putting 3 weeks of meaningless internationals will not improve the attendances. It is only 3 weeks of compromises, and frankly the most affected sides play 1 week....seriously it isn't that big a deal!

 

[LineBall]

Then we don't need to stop the comp for a month to fit it a silly International 3 weeks...of which for 85% of fans there is no league on except for 1 night!

That one night happens to be the biggest rating game of the year, SOO. You could argue that 85% of people only watch one game every week anyway. For those of us without Fox, the only game I get to watch all week is the live game on Friday night anyway.

You are happy for the NRL comp to be mediocre for 6 weeks.

I wonder what your reaction would be if the shoe was on the other foot, and clubs prevented players from playing origin?

 

[oikee]

The fabric of the game hasn't changed- it is NSW vs QLD. Full stop, end of story. It is not some trashy other concept you can come up with just because it is 2-0....the 3rd game is NOT a dead rubber, it is for preparing the following year!

You would not harm Origin if you had a 2-0 dead rubber team winner against a exiles team.
You would enhance the final game by playing a higher class contest.

As i said, imagine NSW or Qld, whoever won at the time, playing against players like Sonny Bill, the Burgess Boys, Tomkins Graham, Pritchard Fanou Mannering Johnsons and Hurrels, that would become a must see event if it was the third game in Sydney or at Suncorp or where-ever.
You could charge 100 bucks a ticket, the best players going head to head on the planet.
Mate, time you come out of the dark ages and embraced change.
We have computers now, and iphones.

 

[madunit]

Funny thread, well trolled OP

 

[TheVelourFog]

As has been said by others, there are no dead rubbers in Origin

 

[oikee]

As has been said by others, there are no dead rubbers in Origin

They are struggling to sell all the Suncorp origin tickets this year, and their hasn't been a dead rubber for years.
Oh and P.S, if there is no such thing as a dead rubber, then dont call it a dead rubber.
Just because we have not had a dead rubber since 2006, (apart from one whitewash) does not mean we wont see another and a dead crowd at ANZ.

Better to plan for a rainy day, ???? we can see what has happened to Sydney crowds because they never planned for rainy days.

 

[madunit]

They are struggling to sell all the Suncorp origin tickets this year, and their hasn't been a dead rubber for years.
Oh and P.S, if there is no such thing as a dead rubber, then dont call it a dead rubber.
Just because we have not had a dead rubber since 2006, (apart from one whitewash) does not mean we wont see another and a dead crowd at ANZ.

Better to plan for a rainy day, ???? we can see what has happened to Sydney crowds because they never planned for rainy days.

the moron in you is strong young jedi

 

[Canard]

They are struggling to sell all the Suncorp origin tickets this year, and their hasn't been a dead rubber for years.
Oh and P.S, if there is no such thing as a dead rubber, then dont call it a dead rubber.
Just because we have not had a dead rubber since 2006, (apart from one whitewash) does not mean we wont see another and a dead crowd at ANZ.

Better to plan for a rainy day, ???? we can see what has happened to Sydney crowds because they never planned for rainy days.

You are taking the term to literally mate, what people mean is that it doesn't matter if the series is decided, people still have an massive interest in the game. Try telling the guy making his Origin debut that this game means nothing and should be scrapped.

Suncorp will sell out. A manufacture All-Star game wouldn't outsell or outrate a "dead rubber" Origin by a factor of about 10.

As for all the internationals that people are talking about, Im all for it. Why not schedule them during the international break that we have in the calendar now however? That would be a great weekend with the Test Match Fri Night, and others playing over the weekend. It wouldn't rate as much as NRL but at least its footy on the TV.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

It wouldn't get the TV money that the NRL would though.

This is a common theme on LU, of an invented format that suddenly people believe is worth millions of dollars in TV revenue and crowd interest.

I think the compromise is Origin on stand alone weekends spread through the year like in the early 2000's

It would be money in addition to the NRL, not instead of it. If you had to ditch byes to shorten the comp so you could have stand alone weekends then so be it. There would still be the same amount of games played in the Premiership.

The interest would be there, too. SOO already has it and playing the Pac Cup outside of Sydney/Brisbane (Newcastle, Penrith, Townsville, NZ etc.) would draw decent crowds.

You would potentially have only one loss - SOO television viewers as it would be moved to a weekend and not have a free run on Wednesday nights. If the NRL thought it worth a shot then do it.

I agree though that it wouldn't necessarily have to be consecutive weekends. If the NRL decided to spread them out then so be it, if they think it best.

 

[kbw]

There are 2 areas that need immediate attention in my opinion.
1- Refereeing needs to be consistent, it is so bad at the moment it is cause a great deal of apathy and turning fans away. Sure they make mistakes but the inconsistency and the large number of mistakes are probably the major issue
2 - The control the media has over the game. TV is driving rule changes and this is ridiculous and needs to stop.

Who ever said the game aint broken must be happy with incredible mediocrity. You can't base it all on the game on the field, Its in a really bad state. The NRL would not have a clue how junior clubs and associations are run and it doesn't care about the fans, it just cares about market revenue.

And a big no to expansion from me. This will only cause more issues

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

Fri Samoa v Tonga,
Sat SOO, full day starting at 12 with u20's 2pm WA v Vic 4pm nsw cup v qland cup rep sides 6pm nsw v qland
Sun Eng v NZ (would take a big sweetener to SL) Fiji v png

I'd go:

Fri: Origin Double (U20s and Firsts)
Sat: Pac Cup Double Header (with a Euro International beforehand)
Sun: NZ Origin live (Euro afterwards)

That's not a bad weekend of footy.

 

[Canard]

As I said above why not trial these internationals in the current international break we have now.

I mean the entire weekend is currently free, excepting a City V Country game that is great for the local town host, but meaningless to a large portion of the fanbase.

 

[Stormfront97]

Sell the rights to Ch 7 for a couple of years and see them stump up what it's worth.

Not happening. Channel Seven broadcast AFL.

 

[oikee]

You are taking the term to literally mate, what people mean is that it doesn't matter if the series is decided, people still have an massive interest in the game. Try telling the guy making his Origin debut that this game means nothing and should be scrapped.

Suncorp will sell out. A manufacture All-Star game wouldn't outsell or outrate a "dead rubber" Origin by a factor of about 10.

As for all the internationals that people are talking about, Im all for it. Why not schedule them during the international break that we have in the calendar now however? That would be a great weekend with the Test Match Fri Night, and others playing over the weekend. It wouldn't rate as much as NRL but at least its footy on the TV.

Why dont you blokes read what i am saying, instead of making up shite that i never said.
Listen, people lose interest in dead rubbers. ANZ wont sell out for the third game if Queensland are up 2 forking nil.
Now dont say you will get 83 thousand at ANZ for a forking dead rubber, your forking braindead if you think you would.
Start reading my forking posts instead of twioisting the forking words.

So on these dead rubbers that are not dead forking rubbers because you blokes dont like to admit the forking truth, they could have a exiles game and grow the fixture.

It has nothing to do with Origin.
Or,,,,or, ,,, play a Exiles Origin winner playoff at the end of the year. ? before the 4 nations.
Fork me, i'm done.

 

[oikee]

the moron in you is strong young jedi

Thanks, i am in good company Luke.

 

[lockyno1]

You would not harm Origin if you had a 2-0 dead rubber team winner against a exiles team.
You would enhance the final game by playing a higher class contest.

As i said, imagine NSW or Qld, whoever won at the time, playing against players like Sonny Bill, the Burgess Boys, Tomkins Graham, Pritchard Fanou Mannering Johnsons and Hurrels, that would become a must see event if it was the third game in Sydney or at Suncorp or where-ever.
You could charge 100 bucks a ticket, the best players going head to head on the planet.
Mate, time you come out of the dark ages and embraced change.
We have computers now, and iphones.

You want to play a stupid exiles game, you play it at the END OF THE SEASON. It is no more than an exhibition game, it is practically the All Stars game FFS! As I said, 2-0 is not a dead rubber, how many times do the other team win the 3rd? Whitewashes are so rare in Origin especially recently. The third games are never played as dead rubbers! I don't want anyone that doesn't wualify for Origin, playing it in. Cheapens the concept and would wreck it.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I'd go:

Fri: Origin Double (U20s and Firsts)
Sat: Pac Cup Double Header (with a Euro International beforehand)
Sun: NZ Origin live (Euro afterwards)

That's not a bad weekend of footy.

Origin would NEED to be on the Sunday night if it was moved to the weekend (could do a day or weekend long festival leading up), but other than that this looks like a good weekend.

Id rather see origin over a 5 week break (1st, 3rd and 5th sundays) so filling in those middle weekends is where it starts to get tricky...

 

[Canard]

Why dont you blokes read what i am saying, instead of making up shite that i never said.
Listen, people lose interest in dead rubbers. ANZ wont sell out for the third game if Queensland are up 2 forking nil.
Now dont say you will get 83 thousand at ANZ for a forking dead rubber, your forking

But you will by playing a exhibition match with All-stars? Piss of mate.

You are either trolling, and AFL or Union fan, or just a bit simple.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

If I had the power to run the NRL I would do the following.

Go to channel 10 (4 FTA games live)
Expansion- WA/Brisbane 2
Scrap MNF/TNF since there crowd killers and introduce 2 Sunday games (afternoon 4pm and 6.30).

 

[Bengal]

The NRL needs to sort out quite a few things at the moment. The biggest in my opinion is the amount of power Ch 9 has over scheduling.

Always admirable, someone who puts a lot of time, thought and effort in to a post.

# 1 problem with the NRL, as it has been for heck knows how long now is the administration. No decent admin would have gotten us up the crapper with TV in the first place. Chasing the almighty dollar is not the end all and be all. No one does it better than the AFL, for a blueprint of how to run a game (for those short of ideas) just study what they do.

Good rule changes this season, keep this balance of the speed of the game in the future.

The game is too fast or I should say - the play the ball aspect of the game is too fast. Something needs to be done around this area especially. Can be something as simple as getting the players to actually stand up with the ball in hand before they can then place the ball on the ground to play it. We've tried wrestling in an attempt to slow the play-the-ball, that worked but it can get tedious. Henceforth, if we can't allow the defence to slow the play-the-ball down then the focus surely must fall on the ball carrier. Either way, this is an aspect that needs redressing.

The biggest problem, admin and play-the-ball aside is "continuity" or lack thereof! We now have a bloody fast, less-skilled, stop/start game when we should be aiming for a consistent, quick (but not frantic), skill-full game. Continuity is what separates the most popular team sport - soccer - from everything else. Up until recently, we had a reasonably continuous sport but thanks to the all pervading video interventions plus a gazillion penalties all too often from the play-the-ball area and a few other stupid rule changes we now have a lightning quick, stop/start game that often goes on for ages.

Speed rules in this sport but that is b/s. Continuity should be king, not speed.

A couple of other points I've noticed in this thread:

* State of Origin is not good enough to be a stand alone event and this will especially hold true once NSW finally gets on their own winning run. Interest will wane when such an event happens as it did last time and as it has done on many other occasions before.
* The interchange was brought in to keep the speed of the game solid throughout the entire match. No interchange will equal a drop off of intensity in the final 10-15 minutes of each half. That is not palatable in this day and age.

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