I want Tyran Wishart

[Saints supporter]

Wouldn't be surprised if Melbourne pay big bucks to keep Wishart, and let Munster go. I reckon Munster has too many errors in his game for Bellamy's liking.

I think Munster is an exceptional talent and can do things that can't be coached. Wishart is a good player without the X factor of Munster. You've got to be careful signing players out of the Storm roster that are surrounded by those X factor talents. The talent of these X factor players allows those of lesser ability but plenty of determination and persistence to operate with more freedom.

 

[Jubilee]

He is not a $1 mill player but he is a very good instinctive player and would be an improvement to our squad and could do a better job than most of our team in multiple positions
He is better thank Kyle F for starters and would do an admirable job at 6 as a defensive running half setting up outside backs.
You have to remember this final series he has been filling in at roving middle forward (like a 13?) which is not his strength but he played well last night..Efforts and tackle busts galore
We do need a 7 with a long and deft kicking game who can also defend to support Wishy at 6

We are currently bringing LKT into the 5/8 position. Do we no longer have any faith in him for the intermediate or long term? If we give Wishart $1m a year for five years, what happens if he can't lead the team? It is Corey Norman and Hunt all over again. In the meantime, we block and frustrate youngsters.(I do not know anything about LKT. Just an example.)

We need a 100% proven, guaranteed, gold-plated organizing halfback who can kick and game manage. We can pay big bucks and give a long contract for such an individual.

To get such a player, we have to aim for him. We have to stop with the wishful thinking and the hoping and praying that someone might develop into something else. Whether we are buying experienced players or bringing along youngsters, if it isn't what we want, don't buy it!. We have to buy and promote only those who HAVE ALREADY SHOWN - measurably and objectively - that they can do it.

This wishful thinking mindset has a long and frustrating pedigree at Sajnts. I have mentioned Drew Hutchinson in previous posts. I have never understood the investment we made in him. Just his sprint times could have told us he would never be a star halfback. He lumbered. There are no lumbering star halfbacks. But everyone persisted with him as a junior in that position. Sloane. I know he is playing NRL only bcs Cody Ramsay got sick, but people insist on overlooking his issues. Maybe one day....well, maybe, but what are we, a development club? A shelter for late blooming players?

How did Amone - slow as a wet weekend, uncreative and ill-tempered, ever get anywhere hear NRL? How did we ignore the measurable FACTS about Bostock? Tall, fast, good hands, leap, evasive, brave, coachable. No, we don't want him. He ticks too many boxes. Let Bennett have him.

Leluia. No, he will never be lean and fit and give long minutes. Laurie, no he will never bend the line and intimidate opponents. The Feagais...were they ever going to become speedsters? No. That is not WHO THESE GUYS ARE. I often wonder what the develpment guys are looking at.

When we buy or bring through players we have to look at WHAT THEY ALREADY ARE and then build on that bcs they can improve (what they already are) but they are not going change into something else. If you have a girlfriend who is a nag or a spendthrift, do you think that is going to change after you marry her? Guaranteed not.

People have to stop hoping. We have to develop, promote and buy according to the best fit we can get for clear, relevant, objective, measurable metrics. Anything else and our recruitment and retention approach is just a game of pin the tail on the donkey.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

We are currently bringing LKT into the 5/8 position. Do we no longer have any faith in him for the intermediate or long term? If we give Wishart $1m a year for five years, what happens if he can't lead the team? It is Corey Norman and Hunt all over again. In the meantime, we block and frustrate youngsters.(I do not know anything about LKT. Just an example.)

We need a 100% proven, guaranteed, gold-plated organizing halfback who can kick and game manage. We can pay big bucks and give a long contract for such an individual.

To get such a player, we have to aim for him. We have to stop with the wishful thinking and the hoping and praying that someone might develop into something else. Whether we are buying experienced players or bringing along youngsters, if it isn't what we want, don't buy it!. We have to buy and promote only those who HAVE ALREADY SHOWN - measurably and objectively - that they can do it.

This wishful thinking mindset has a long and frustrating pedigree at Sajnts. I have mentioned Drew Hutchinson in previous posts. I have never understood the investment we made in him. Just his sprint times could have told us he would never be a star halfback. He lumbered. There are no lumbering star halfbacks. But everyone persisted with him as a junior in that position. Sloane. I know he is playing NRL only bcs Cody Ramsay got sick, but people insist on overlooking his issues. Maybe one day....well, maybe, but what are we, a development club? A shelter for late blooming players?

How did Amone - slow as a wet weekend, uncreative and ill-tempered, ever get anywhere hear NRL? How did we ignore the measurable FACTS about Bostock? Tall, fast, good hands, leap, evasive, brave, coachable. No, we don't want him. He ticks too many boxes. Let Bennett have him.

Leluia. No, he will never be lean and fit and give long minutes. Laurie, no he will never bend the line and intimidate opponents. The Feagais...were they ever going to become speedsters? No. That is not WHO THESE GUYS ARE. I often wonder what the develpment guys are looking at.

When we buy or bring through players we have to look at WHAT THEY ALREADY ARE and then build on that bcs they can improve (what they already are) but they are not going change into something else. If you have a girlfriend who is a nag or a spendthrift, do you think that is going to change after you marry her? Guaranteed not.

People have to stop hoping. We have to develop, promote and buy according to the best fit we can get for clear, relevant, objective, measurable metrics. Anything else and our recruitment and retention approach is just a game of pin the tail on the donkey.

Great post. Definitely pin the tail on the donkey under Price and MacGregor, and the Hook strategy of recruiting old Queenslanders was never a recipe for long term success. Flanno at least appears to have a good idea of what he wants and/or needs, and how much he is prepared to pay. Unfortunately our club remains an undesirable location for many.

 

[BLM01]

We are currently bringing LKT into the 5/8 position. Do we no longer have any faith in him for the intermediate or long term? If we give Wishart $1m a year for five years, what happens if he can't lead the team? It is Corey Norman and Hunt all over again. In the meantime, we block and frustrate youngsters.(I do not know anything about LKT. Just an example.)

We need a 100% proven, guaranteed, gold-plated organizing halfback who can kick and game manage. We can pay big bucks and give a long contract for such an individual.

To get such a player, we have to aim for him. We have to stop with the wishful thinking and the hoping and praying that someone might develop into something else. Whether we are buying experienced players or bringing along youngsters, if it isn't what we want, don't buy it!. We have to buy and promote only those who HAVE ALREADY SHOWN - measurably and objectively - that they can do it.

This wishful thinking mindset has a long and frustrating pedigree at Sajnts. I have mentioned Drew Hutchinson in previous posts. I have never understood the investment we made in him. Just his sprint times could have told us he would never be a star halfback. He lumbered. There are no lumbering star halfbacks. But everyone persisted with him as a junior in that position. Sloane. I know he is playing NRL only bcs Cody Ramsay got sick, but people insist on overlooking his issues. Maybe one day....well, maybe, but what are we, a development club? A shelter for late blooming players?

How did Amone - slow as a wet weekend, uncreative and ill-tempered, ever get anywhere hear NRL? How did we ignore the measurable FACTS about Bostock? Tall, fast, good hands, leap, evasive, brave, coachable. No, we don't want him. He ticks too many boxes. Let Bennett have him.

Leluia. No, he will never be lean and fit and give long minutes. Laurie, no he will never bend the line and intimidate opponents. The Feagais...were they ever going to become speedsters? No. That is not WHO THESE GUYS ARE. I often wonder what the develpment guys are looking at.

When we buy or bring through players we have to look at WHAT THEY ALREADY ARE and then build on that bcs they can improve (what they already are) but they are not going change into something else. If you have a girlfriend who is a nag or a spendthrift, do you think that is going to change after you marry her? Guaranteed not.

People have to stop hoping. We have to develop, promote and buy according to the best fit we can get for clear, relevant, objective, measurable metrics. Anything else and our recruitment and retention approach is just a game of pin the tail on the donkey.

In a roundabout way you just echoed my thoughts.
In respect to LKT..he has a long way to go but is he that kicker? we may be missing or seeking along with Wishart in the halves. He may be able to play 7.
But what is the definition of a No 7 or 6 these days anyway.

 

[Jubilee]

But what is the definition of a No 7 or 6 these days anyway.

It is up to the coach to decide what kind of football the team will play based on what kind of cattle he has. But I think that the job of the 7 is to cooperate with the 6 to run the team on both sides of the ruck. They can both be runners and kickers (great!), but one of them has to be a dominant organizer.

 

[possm]

Yes, we need to develop some homegrown youngsters for future seasons. However, we need two props and a fullback for season 2025.
Lodge and RCG are the props I would like Flanno to target; they are gettable.
JAC is a game-breaker, just like B Morris was. I am sure he is gettable. And if Hunt moves on, Wishart, Schneider or O'Sullivan would be goodvalue.

The Super League competition has some good halves and possibly a couple of good props ready for the picking.

 

[56to66]

Tyran Wishart has a great attitude to his game, he will never ever be like a Corey Norman, I see him playing for a long time at the highest level.
He will be worth every penny, I believe many here at not true St George supporters.
800k for 5 years is a bargain, you Will see!

 

[RedVee]

We need a 28yo Cooper Cronk.

 

[Jubilee]

Tyran Wishart has a great attitude to his game, he will never ever be like a Corey Norman, I see him playing for a long time at the highest level.
He will be worth every penny, I believe many here at not true St George supporters.
800k for 5 years is a bargain, you Will see!

I don't doubt his attitude but the job opening decribes certain specific requirements. Has he ever game-managed an NRL team?

 

[TheRev]

I'm pretty sure we will be in contact with his management, but we cant talk to him officially for another 13 months.. for a 2027 position.. and this assumes hes not extended in the meantime.

As always though, we need to atleast make sure the Storm stump up more cash for him.. and perhaps him staying dislodges someone else.. but I dont know if we are after anyone else.. Pezet maybe, but we would have to really want him.. because the Knights r gunning for him.

 

[56to66]

I don't doubt his attitude but the job opening decribes certain specific requirements. Has he ever game-managed an NRL team?

Apparently we already have one, but lacks the other 90% of all the other great attributes that Wishart has, I see Wishart as a running 5/8, with all the great attributes Ben Hornby provided to the whole club. Wishart actually looked more threatening in last nights GF, than the Dally M winner who has been sensational managing the Storm all year.
Wishart will become better better as he ages like a Fine Red Wine, I believe everything I see will come to fruition, unfortunately people within the club, will sit back do nothing, whilst he'll be celebrating a Premiership with some other Sydney club.

 

[SIR LANCELOT]

Stop all this deaming.Wishart will be a Storm boy for life.This club needs to do better with talent identification and retention.Not sure if we have it.Need to bring in someone to rectify and organise a team of people to do it.Starting with a decent and knowledgeable CEO.Looks as if Ryles was right re his demand for changes before he would consider accepting the coaching gig at the Dragons.Still tough times ahead.Very tough!!.

 

[Inisai Toga]

Stop all this deaming.Wishart will be a Storm boy for life.This club needs to do better with talent identification and retention.Not sure if we have it.Need to bring in someone to rectify and organise a team of people to do it.Starting with a decent and knowledgeable CEO.Looks as if Ryles was right re his demand for changes before he would consider accepting the coaching gig at the Dragons.Still tough times ahead.Very tough!!.

……talent identification, retention and DEVELOPMENT - seem to lack this 3rd element in particular. Can’t keep them all, but the ones we do haven't seem to able to step up as effectively as at other clubs….

 

[possm]

Well it seems that Wishart is staying put at the Storm. So, let's move on. Maybe Schneider or s Super League 7.

 

[blacksafake]

Well it seems that Wishart is staying put at the Storm. So, let's move on. Maybe Schneider or s Super League 7.

Don’t rate Schneider

 

[RedVee]

Yeah, I don’t get the Schneider love. Solid fill in, wouldn’t rate him above Cogger (as an example).

That’s the problem, a large bunch of “good” but few “better”.

 

[Dragon David]

Yeah, I don’t get the Schneider love. Solid fill in, wouldn’t rate him above Cogger (as an example).

That’s the problem, a large bunch of “good” but few “better”.

Exactly. If we cannot get a Hughes, Walker, Cleary, Moses, Dearden, for next year for example, we best keep Hunt but take the captaincy off of him and let him play with less burden. Players like Schneider and others of his ilk are not of the standard that Hunt is even though Hunt has not been terrific with the salary he is on, he is better than those lesser lights.

 

[Draginzaaar]

Yes, we need to develop some homegrown youngsters for future seasons. However, we need two props and a fullback for season 2025.
Lodge and RCG are the props I would like Flanno to target; they are gettable.
JAC is a game-breaker, just like B Morris was. I am sure he is gettable. And if Hunt moves on, Wishart, Schneider or O'Sullivan would be goodvalue.

The Super League competition has some good halves and possibly a couple of good props ready for the picking.

You know RCG signed with the Titans right?

 

[justadragon]

Wishart isn't coming and does not want to come to the Dragons, quite obvious in his statements. Nor would I want to lure him back on mega money. Lets move on from him now and concentrate on what we should have been doing , which is development and retention, and if we were, we wouldnt be talking about getting Wishart back, he would be already here.

 

[Jubilee]

Wishart isn't coming and does not want to come to the Dragons, quite obvious in his statements. Nor would I want to lure him back on mega money. Lets move on from him now and concentrate on what we should have been doing , which is development and retention, and if we were, we wouldnt be talking about getting Wishart back, he would be already here.

Just as we could still have Robson, McInnes, Bostock, Garrick, and Saab,. And if the coaches had a football eye, or some basic guidelines, we wouldn't have tried to bring on Sullivan and Amone.

It has been upside-down world but I think it will improve now. Flanno knows talent and knows what he wants and we are already seeing some promising recruitment of young talent in the halves in particular.