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Ideal team/city representation if comp was starting from scratch first few year

Stallion

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Since for some reason it offends you that I like to split posts up so it's easier to know exactly what I'm referring to and when I'm referring to it I won't split this one up...

You keep saying that it's your 'opinion that there aren't to many teams in Sydney', and stuff along the line of 'let me just have my opinion and you have yours', but this isn't a subjective issue like what your favourite colour is, you can't just ignore reality then hide behind it being your "opinion".

It's a fact that apart from the biggest clubs (Canterbury, Parra, etc) Sydney clubs struggle to find meaningful sponsorship despite being in the biggest market in the country, it's a fact that apart from the biggest clubs most of the Sydney clubs corporate support is comparable to regional clubs corporate support despite them being in a huge metropolitan market, it's a fact that as independent business's almost all of them have been stagnate since the late 90's, it's a fact that almost all of them go nowhere near breaking even, etc, etc, etc.
You can't say "it's my opinion that there aren't to many Sydney clubs" and then refuse to explain why either none of the above is a problem or why the above actually isn't happening how we think it's happening.

You also keep saying that it's "my demonstrably proven theory", it's not 'my theory' it's what's observably happening, you can go look at the annual reports from over the years for yourself, you can go look at the clubs struggles and why they are struggling for yourself, you can compare them to other comparable businesses from around the world for yourself, etc.

And again you have asserted that "no one cried that we had too many teams in Sydney" back in the day when that is abjectly false!

The NSWRL started looking at rationalising Sydney (again) in the late 70s, they actually kicked both the Jets and Magpies out of the comp as part of a rationalisation program in the 80's (the Magpies got back in through the courts), and they planned to do more rationalising in the 90's but SL knocked that plan off course. So yeah without even going back to the really old days when Glebe and Annandale were getting the boot, there's been almost constant calls and plans for Sydney to be rationalised since the 70's, and the main proponents of it were the NSWRL/ARL themselves until after SL.

Have you ever thought that it's shear folly to rid a competition of established clubs with established supporter bases? And these support bases are not just in their locality but around Australia due to the reach of FTA television in the 70s, 80s &90s.
 

flippikat

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Have you ever thought that it's shear folly to rid a competition of established clubs with established supporter bases? And these support bases are not just in their locality but around Australia due to the reach of FTA television in the 70s, 80s &90s.
Rebooted NRL should have 14 teams max to enable a full home and away round robin over 26 rounds, and a top 6 final series with top 2 teams having first week off.

All existing geographical areas should have an initial presence, with the addition of one expansion area (WA or NZ2 perhaps) to create an additional TV timeslot for eastern seaboard.

Number of Sydney teams needs to be rationalised, either through mergers, relocations or relegation to a national Tier 2 comp.

While QLD is deserving of a fourth Tier 1 team, I think for the first iteration of the rebooted comp we should maintain the 3 existing franchises.

Tier 1 - NRL Premiership
Townsville
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Newcastle
Gosford
Sydney 1
Sydney 2
Sydney 3
Sydney 4
Canberra
Melbourne
Perth
Auckland
Wellington

Tier 2 - NRL Championship
Sydney x5
South East Qld x3
Qld Regional
NSW Regional
Adelaide
NZ
PNG
Fiji

Promotion/relegation would apply but not for the first 3 years to allow time for the competition structure to settle.

Over time, you will end up with some areas not having representation in Tier 1, but that can't be avoided.

Yep, pretty good competition structure.. though I'd suggest Brisbane 2 over Central Coast - we need a true Brisbane derby more than the Central Coast.

14 teams (including Brisbane 2 and Perth) gives plenty of scope for expansion to Adelaide, or Brisbane 3, or Perth 2 or Melbourne 2 or NZ 3.... getting derbies in more cities.

It's something that AFL and A-league know the value of, yet the NRL seemingly don't care about any derbies unless they're in Sydney.
 

Stallion

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Yep, pretty good competition structure.. though I'd suggest Brisbane 2 over Central Coast - we need a true Brisbane derby more than the Central Coast.

14 teams (including Brisbane 2 and Perth) gives plenty of scope for expansion to Adelaide, or Brisbane 3, or Perth 2 or Melbourne 2 or NZ 3.... getting derbies in more cities.

It's something that AFL and A-league know the value of, yet the NRL seemingly don't care about any derbies unless they're in Sydney.

Agree with Brisbane. Only problem is you can't have a successful comp if you dismantle it's base!? In this case it's the Sydney clubs! All for additional clubs without the imploding of what has made this competition the envy of other rival codes . These other codes are looking to pounce if the carving up of longtime established clubs occurs in rugby league. Let there be no doubt about that.
 

Timmah

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Agree with Brisbane. Only problem is you can't have a successful comp if you dismantle it's base!? In this case it's the Sydney clubs! All for additional clubs without the imploding of what has made this competition the envy of other rival codes . These other codes are looking to pounce if the carving up of longtime established clubs occurs in rugby league. Let there be no doubt about that.
This thread is about if the competition was starting from scratch.
 

flippikat

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This thread is about if the competition was starting from scratch.

Precisely.

The two best examples of this are the A-League & Big Bash.

In both cases, the organising bodies hit the 'reset' switch

- For the A-League, it meant ditching some old NSL clubs like Marconi & Parramatta Power, in order to set up a "one team per city" phase to get on a solid financial footing - the axed teams mostly ended up back in their state leagues (much like the proposals for some Sydney NRL clubs here). Tellingly, after that period of consolidation, the league was in a position to expand again.. adding derbies back into Sydney & Melbourne after a couple of failures in Queensland.

- For Big Bash, it was a case of making room for derbies in Melbourne & Sydney (and I guess leaving potential for further expansion.. which hasn't happened yet) - so axing the old state identities for T20 cricket made sense.

Crucially, in both cases, short term pain lead to long term gain.
 

Timmah

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Precisely.

The two best examples of this are the A-League & Big Bash.

In both cases, the organising bodies hit the 'reset' switch

- For the A-League, it meant ditching some old NSL clubs like Marconi & Parramatta Power, in order to set up a "one team per city" phase to get on a solid financial footing - the axed teams mostly ended up back in their state leagues (much like the proposals for some Sydney NRL clubs here).

- For Big Bash, it was a case of making room for derbies in Melbourne & Sydney (and I guess leaving potential for further expansion.. which hasn't happened yet) - so axing the old state identities for T20 cricket made sense.

Crucially, in both cases, short term pain lead to long term gain.
Whether the gain is long-term remains to be seen - fifteen years in, the A-League is on a downward slide in terms of ratings and attendances. FFA are on the nose and have plenty of question marks over management and governance issues. The next few years and how they manage further expansion is critical.

BBL is where the A-League was five years ago - well and truly into a successful re-jig now but looking to extend the competition beyond its means. Crowds and ratings have slid this season as I understand.

As such I don't know that they're great examples but they're the two best we've got.

Personally I wouldn't be a fan of hitting said 'reset switch'.
 

siv

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North Sydney Bears
South Sydney Rabbitohs
West Sydney Magpies
Illawarra Steelers
Central Coast Rip
Newcastle
Canberra
 

Pommy

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Yep, pretty good competition structure.. though I'd suggest Brisbane 2 over Central Coast - we need a true Brisbane derby more than the Central Coast.

14 teams (including Brisbane 2 and Perth) gives plenty of scope for expansion to Adelaide, or Brisbane 3, or Perth 2 or Melbourne 2 or NZ 3.... getting derbies in more cities.

It's something that AFL and A-league know the value of, yet the NRL seemingly don't care about any derbies unless they're in Sydney.

They don’t even care about derbies in Sydney. Half the time they ones that matter are on a Thursday night which hardly makes it an event
 

mistertaylor

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Yeah I'm not a fan of Thursday night footy, TBH. That's why 14 teams is a good number, you end up with 7 timeslots to spread across from Friday to Sunday.
 

titoelcolombiano

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No,no,no , no! These clubs are very much well known and reveared. They are the glue that sticks this competition together. The nucleus! Think you are still not understanding things like historical and generational support. It's massive and very relevant on Australia.

This is half right. Clubs like Souths, Eels, Dogs & Dragons are critical to the NRL. But the other half of the story is that if you removed the Broncos, Storm and Warriors from the comp tomorrow the NRL dies in the arse and eventually the game in NZ along with any credible international competition for Australia and England.

There are a handful of clubs that are the glue that sticks the competition together and they are not all Sydney clubs and they are not all expansion clubs, but a healthy mix of the two.
 

Stallion

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This is half right. Clubs like Souths, Eels, Dogs & Dragons are critical to the NRL. But the other half of the story is that if you removed the Broncos, Storm and Warriors from the comp tomorrow the NRL dies in the arse and eventually the game in NZ along with any credible international competition for Australia and England.

There are a handful of clubs that are the glue that sticks the competition together and they are not all Sydney clubs and they are not all expansion clubs, but a healthy mix of the two.

Not really! The established and well known Sydney clubs are just that: ESTABLISHED & WELL KNOWN. Beg to differ on this major point. And there is no issue with the clubs outside of Sydney for the record.
 
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titoelcolombiano

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Not really! The established and well known Sydney clubs are just that: ESTABLISHED & WELL KNOWN. Beg to differugby on this major point. And there is no issue with the clubs outside of Sydney for the record.

For every fan that a Sydney club has in Perth or Adelaide, don't you think that the Storm, Warriors and Broncos would also have one to match?

The Warriors have way more of a following outside of their home city than any Sydney club does. Melbourne do alright also.
 

Stallion

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For every fan that a Sydney club has in Perth or Adelaide, don't you think that the Storm, Warriors and Broncos would also have one to match?

The Warriors have way more of a following outside of their home city than any Sydney club does. Melbourne do alright also.

And thats great. More power to them ! However the Sydney clubs have a distinct historical and cultural resonance that can't be replicated. They are the inspiration of the NRL. They are what other outside external clubs wanted to participate with .They are the heart and soul of this envied competition. Once again more clubs will reap.more revenue and growth for the code. So genuinely growing this competition without weakening it's envied base is the prudent and solid way to go. The credibility of the competition is based on its Sydney foundations.More clubs the merrier!
 

mistertaylor

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And thats great. More power to them ! However the Sydney clubs have a distinct historical and cultural resonance that can't be replicated. They are the inspiration of the NRL. They are what other outside external clubs wanted to participate with .They are the heart and soul of this envied competition. Once again more clubs will reap.more revenue and growth for the code. So genuinely growing this competition without weakening it's envied base is the prudent and solid way to go. The credibility of the competition is based on its Sydney foundations.More clubs the merrier!
NRL will not grow as long as it continues to be viewed as an expansion of the old NSWRL comp.
 

Stallion

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NRL will not grow as long as it continues to be viewed as an expansion of the old NSWRL comp.

We differ. It has grown because of this very reason. Without the Sydney clubs: it's not attractive at all. Just ask why the Broncos, Canberra, Knights etc wanted in. They all wanted to be part of this much reveared and envied competition sprouting from Australia's largest city.
 

titoelcolombiano

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And thats great. More power to them ! However the Sydney clubs have a distinct historical and cultural resonance that can't be replicated. They are the inspiration of the NRL. They are what other outside external clubs wanted to participate with .They are the heart and soul of this envied competition. Once again more clubs will reap.more revenue and growth for the code. So genuinely growing this competition without weakening it's envied base is the prudent and solid way to go. The credibility of the competition is based on its Sydney foundations.More clubs the merrier!

I just pointed out that for every fan a Sydney club has in a non RL city, the Broncos, Storm or Warriors can probably match. You agreed with this, so yeah, it has been replicated.

The Warriors crush most teams in the league for engaging away support - making them essentially the biggest asset with widespread notoriety and support. Compare that to some smaller Sydney clubs and it is not even a contest.

No, they were not the inspiration of the NRL. The NRL came about from ''peace-talks'' post SL war so you are incorrect. The NSWRL came to prominence due to poker-machine money - is that the basis of your pride? The BRL was massive in QLD and those traditional famous clubs were swept aside when the NSWRL arrogantly introduced the Broncos into their pokie-money rich competition. Please get your facts right. For all of your ''love'' of RL, I never see you posting on the plight of the BRL clubs. Oh that's right, you don't love RL, you love certain Sydney RL clubs that competed in a certain competition in certain select decades.
 

The Great Dane

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We differ. It has grown because of this very reason. Without the Sydney clubs: it's not attractive at all. Just ask why the Broncos, Canberra, Knights etc wanted in. They all wanted to be part of this much reveared and envied competition sprouting from Australia's largest city.

I know why the Raiders joined (the Broncos joined for very similar reasons as well), and it's not particularly because they wanted to play against the Sydney clubs because playing against the Sydney clubs offered them any real advantages, it's quite a bit more complex then that.

In the 60s and 70s RL in Canberra and the surrounding regions was stagnating because prior to those times it could compete with the Sydney clubs for players and exposure in the local region.

Prior to the 60s and 70s the NSWRL wasn't on tv so the only way you could follow it was listening to it on the radio or reading the results in the paper (which many did btw), but while it was on the radio big local games were often on the radio also and not only could you read the local results in the paper you could attend the local teams games, which was what most did. Most peoples first team was the local team but they loosely followed a Sydney team as well. What started to happen in the 60s was the NSWRL started to be broadcast regularly so now you could watch NSWRFL games on tv as well which gave them massive exposure that the local clubs couldn't compete with, but what really started to impact the local comps and teams was the NSWRL clubs started to be a real option for local players.

Prior to the the 60s and 70s there were players that would come through a club and play their whole careers at that club that were local stars so to speak. To no small degree those local stars pushed the growth of the sport in the region, going to see certain players was a big draw card to get people through the gate which then funded further growth of the sport in the region, and those players had an even bigger impact on getting kids interested in the sport and keeping them interested. Once the 60s and 70s came along and the NSWRL was getting more exposure the Sydney clubs didn't have only a little more money to offer a local player to convince them to move like they once had, they suddenly had a lot more money to offer and the glamour of potentially being on tv and the celebrity that came with that, so while before hand maybe one or two local star players in a whole generation of players would try their luck in Sydney now almost every star player was being recruited by Sydney clubs, at which point the main draw card to get locals throw the gate at local clubs had been eaten up by the richer Sydney clubs that could offer the players better opportunities, so suddenly the local leagues were a lot poorer cause they couldn't attract as many people through the gate as they once could, but the real impact was that suddenly getting kids to be interested in the sport and start playing it became a whole lot harder cause one of the main things that was drawing them in was suddenly gone, so suddenly not only were the local clubs a whole lot poorer their juniors had halved (or more) and they weren't producing as many players to replace the local stars as they could in the past, which really impacted them.

Now where this really hurt Canberra in particular was that the ACT had a representative RU team, so while all the local RL star players were being eaten up by the Sydney clubs to mostly never to be heard of again the RU stars were also being eaten up by Sydney clubs but many of them would come back semi-regularly to play rep games against this or that team, and Canberra had (and still has) a strong private school culture that churned out local RU players of a high standard to replace the lost local stars at a rate that RL simply couldn't compete with at the time. So what started to happen in the 60s and really came to a head in the 70s was that where before hand Canberra and the surrounding regions were pretty evenly spilt market where RU, Aussie Rules, and RL had equal shares suddenly RU had a bunch of advantages and was relatively quickly murdering everybody else (except soccer, but there was a whole other set of unrelated dynamics and variables that went into soccer dodging that bullet).

In the mid to late 70s the Queanbeyan Blues (among others in both RL and Aussie Rules) realised that if they didn't find a way to get RL a heap more exposure and a huge cash boost locally that RL was going to be eclipsed by RU in a generation or two, cause it was all well and good that every man and his dog had a Sydney club that they followed, but almost none of them played RL or really supported a local club anymore but all of them played and support RU. The only way that they could figure to compete with RU was to create an entity that could compete with the NSWRL clubs for players and exposure locally and to do that the best way they figured was to create some sort of unified entity that played in the NSWRL, then one thing lead to another and as an end result you have the Raiders.

If the Raiders didn't come into being when they did then not only would RL have struggled to identify local talent early to compete with RU that had that capability locally, the money wouldn't have been in the sport locally to compete with the money on offer in RU, so at least Ricky Stuart, Glenn Lazarus, Bradley Clyde, and quite a few others in that first generation of great Raiders players would have almost certainly followed David Campese's lead and pursued RU instead of going with league, and each generation after that generation more and more would have gone Unions way following their predecessors lead, which would have had a further compounding effect on the sport locally.

So yeah, the long and short of it is the Raiders (and the multiple attempts to join the VFL/AFL by Canberra clubs) exist largely because of the growth that RU saw locally as a result of the growth that the NSWRL and VFL saw nationally, however they didn't join the NSWRL cause they wanted to play the Sydney clubs for some nebulous reasons but because they not only wanted but needed to be able to offer players the same opportunities locally that the NSWRL clubs could offer in Sydney if the sport wasn't going to continue to stagnate and then start dying in the region.

BTW, I apologise for the really long and dense post, but it is a relatively complex subject that requires detail (by an internet forums standards) to properly explain.
 
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Stallion

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I just pointed out that for every fan a Sydney club has in a non RL city, the Broncos, Storm or Warriors can probably match. You agreed with this, so yeah, it has been replicated.

The Warriors crush most teams in the league for engaging away support - making them essentially the biggest asset with widespread notoriety and support. Compare that to some smaller Sydney clubs and it is not even a contest.

No, they were not the inspiration of the NRL. The NRL came about from ''peace-talks'' post SL war so you are incorrect. The NSWRL came to prominence due to poker-machine money - is that the basis of your pride? The BRL was massive in QLD and those traditional famous clubs were swept aside when the NSWRL arrogantly introduced the Broncos into their pokie-money rich competition. Please get your facts right. For all of your ''love'' of RL, I never see you posting on the plight of the BRL clubs. Oh that's right, you don't love RL, you love certain Sydney RL clubs that competed in a certain competition in certain select decades.

Your mistake is the use of "smaller" Sydney clubs! Pending on how they are doing and their relative strength there are no "smaller Sydney clubs" Their relevance is appropriate to their success on the fiend and other factors that you have clearly ignored. Go tell the supporters of the clubs you have branded as smaller and see what reaction you get. For instance I note an inclination to regard Manly Warringah as a small Sydney club. By whose standards and criteria? Are you aware of the external (out of Sydney following ) the Sea Eagles have? Do you count the many fans that purchase their various paraphenalia? The answer is no. But you choose to rank clubs on your own ignorant way. That's your go not others.
 

Stallion

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I know why the Raiders joined (the Broncos joined for very similar reasons as well), and it's not particularly because they wanted to play against the Sydney clubs because playing against the Sydney clubs offered them any real advantages, it's quite a bit more complex then that.

In the 60s and 70s RL in Canberra and the surrounding regions was stagnating because prior to those times it could compete with the Sydney clubs for players and exposure in the local region.

Prior to the 60s and 70s the NSWRL wasn't on tv so the only way you could follow it was listening to it on the radio or reading the results in the paper (which many did btw), but while it was on the radio big local games were often on the radio also and not only could you read the local results in the paper you could attend the local teams games, which was what most did. Most peoples first team was the local team but they loosely followed a Sydney team as well. What started to happen in the 60s was the NSWRL started to be broadcast regularly so now you could watch NSWRFL games on tv as well which gave them massive exposure that the local clubs couldn't compete with, but what really started to impact the local comps and teams was the NSWRL clubs started to be a real option for local players.

Prior to the the 60s and 70s there were players that would come through a club and play their whole careers at that club that were local stars so to speak. To no small degree those local stars pushed the growth of the sport in the region, going to see certain players was a big draw card to get people through the gate which then funded further growth of the sport in the region, and those players had an even bigger impact on getting kids interested in the sport and keeping them interested. Once the 60s and 70s came along and the NSWRL was getting more exposure the Sydney clubs didn't have only a little more money to offer a local player to convince them to move like they once had, they suddenly had a lot more money to offer and the glamour of potentially being on tv and the celebrity that came with that, so while before hand maybe one or two local star players in a whole generation of players would try their luck in Sydney now almost every star player was being recruited by Sydney clubs, at which point the main draw card to get locals throw the gate at local clubs had been eaten up by the richer Sydney clubs that could offer the players better opportunities, so suddenly the local leagues were a lot poorer cause they couldn't attract as many people through the gate as they once could, but the real impact was that suddenly getting kids to be interested in the sport and start playing it became a whole lot harder cause one of the main things that was drawing them in was suddenly gone, so suddenly not only were the local clubs a whole lot poorer their juniors had halved (or more) and they weren't producing as many players to replace the local stars as they could in the past, which really impacted them.

Now where this really hurt Canberra in particular was that the ACT had a representative RU team, so while all the local RL star players were being eaten up by the Sydney clubs to mostly never to be heard of again the RU stars were also being eaten up by Sydney clubs but many of them would come back semi-regularly to play rep games against this or that team, and Canberra had (and still has) a strong private school culture that churned out local RU players of a high standard to replace the lost local stars at a rate that RL simply couldn't compete with at the time. So what started to happen in the 60s and really came to a head in the 70s was that where before hand Canberra and the surrounding regions were pretty evenly spilt market where RU, Aussie Rules, and RL had equal shares suddenly RU had a bunch of advantages and was relatively quickly murdering everybody else (except soccer, but there was a whole other set of unrelated dynamics and variables that went into soccer dodging that bullet).

In the mid to late 70s the Queanbeyan Blues (among others in both RL and Aussie Rules) realised that if they didn't find a way to get RL a heap more exposure and a huge cash boost locally that RL was going to be eclipsed by RU in a generation or two, cause it was all well and good that every man and his dog had a Sydney club that they followed, but almost none of them played RL or really supported a local club anymore but all of them played and support RU. The only way that they could figure to compete with RU was to create an entity that could compete with the NSWRL clubs for players and exposure locally and to do that the best way they figured was to create some sort of unified entity that played in the NSWRL, then one thing lead to another and as an end result you have the Raiders.

If the Raiders didn't come into being when they did then not only would RL have struggled to identify local talent early to compete with RU that had that capability locally, the money wouldn't have been in the sport locally to compete with the money on offer in RU, so at least Ricky Stuart, Glenn Lazarus, Bradley Clyde, and quite a few others in that first generation of great Raiders players would have almost certainly followed David Campese's lead and pursued RU instead of going with league, and each generation after that generation more and more would have gone Unions way following their predecessors lead, which would have had a further compounding effect on the sport locally.

So yeah, the long and short of it is the Raiders (and the multiple attempts to join the VFL/AFL by Canberra clubs) exist largely because of the growth that RU saw locally as a result of the growth that the NSWRL and VFL saw nationally, however they didn't join the NSWRL cause they wanted to play the Sydney clubs for some nebulous reasons but because they not only wanted but needed to be able to offer players the same opportunities locally that the NSWRL clubs could offer in Sydney if the sport wasn't going to continue to stagnate and then start dying in the region.

BTW, I apologise for the really long and dense post, but it is a relatively complex subject that requires detail (by an internet forums standards) to properly explain.

So the NSW rugby league was a saviour and a carrot for rugby league. You have strengthened the case that the Sydney rugby league was attractive for such clubs. My own city in Newcastle had been waiting to be part of the Big League for many years. TV exposure of the NSWRL had plenty to do with this attraction. And yes other reasons are to be factored in as you have pointed out. But as a chief anchor these outside clubs were attracted to the Big League regardless and for different reasons. But still attracted nonetheless .
 
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The Great Dane

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So the NSW rugby league was a saviour and a carrot for rugby league. You have strengthened the case that the Sydney rugby league was attractive for such clubs.
Seriously, that's what you took from my post...

No the NSWRL wasn't "attractive for such clubs", it was a natural progression created by geographical and socioeconomic realities that was forced by technological advancement that the NSWRL happened to be the beneficiaries of because of factors totally outside of their control.

In other words through dumb luck (or bad luck depending on your point of view) the NSWRL became the biggest fish in the pond then killed almost all the other fish (whether they intended to or not), and any of the surviving fish had to either join the NSWRL or die. So they weren't attracted to the NSWRL or the NSWRL clubs they were forced to join the NSWRL for their survival cause they needed the exposure that the NSWRL had to be able to compete.
My own city in Newcastle had been waiting to be part of the Big League for many years. TV exposure of the NSWRL had plenty to with this attraction. And yes other reasons are to be factored in as you have pointed out. But as an chief anchor these outside clubs were attracted to the Big League regardless and for different reasons. But still attracted nonetheless .
Your own city of Newcastle had one of the foundation clubs of the NSWRL, but after two years that club disbanded and the players spilt between four clubs in the newly founded Newcastle Rugby League. Now why would they do that if the NSWRL was an inherently superior league with inherently superior clubs that attract attention in a way that no others can, they'd be throwing away their golden ticket.

Honestly I don't know much about the motivations behind Newcastle joining the NSWRL but I imagine that it was very similar to Canberra, Illawarra, and Brisbane before them, they were forced to either join the NSWRL or watch local RL wither on the vine and die.
 

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