If perth is such a can't miss home run for nrl expansion..?!

[Wb1234]

Glory and force are both in national comps, you look like a fool when you say they are not sustainable . Clearly they are.
Now if soccer and union can sustain a team in Perth why couldn't an NRL team?

They can’t sustain teams

the force were booted and Perth glory the losses are covered by the owner

the nrl is actually an international competition

we already have one club diluting the talent pool do we need another

 

[Bukowski]

They can’t sustain teams

the force were booted and Perth glory the losses are covered by the owner

the nrl is actually an international competition

we already have one club diluting the talent pool do we need another

Both are being sustained.
You talk about talent pool but then not wanting to spread the game. Yeah, let's increase the talent pool but not grow our reach.

 

[Bukowski]

the nrl is actually an international competition

Both a league and super rugby are international comps too.

 

[Dragonwest]

I feel dumber for even contributing to this poor troll attempt thread lol

however…..

here’s some positives for reintroduction of perth that weren’t around in 1995-1997.

1. much better stadium, waca sucked
2. city is over double the population with a large number of that increase from RL area migration
3. $18million a year club grants
4. Elite jnr development system now in place
5. state govt backing
6. major corporate growth in the city
7. Cheaper airfares

We don't have Elite jnr development system now in place in Perth? ....

 

[Gobsmacked]

All I ever hear is how big the afl clubs are in wa

maybe the Person who talks this way should realise the implications of his argument lol

I think you summed up the whole argument. WA is an AFL strong hold. As is Melbourne.. a small niche in 5 million is still substantial.
A small niche in 2 million ... not so much.
Then there The Force, the only reason they survive is because one of the richest people in Australia is happy to bleed money into it.
The only way we have a Perth team is if the NRL are willing to bleed tens of millions every year for 50 years..
WHY?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Both are being sustained.
You talk about talent pool but then not wanting to spread the game. Yeah, let's increase the talent pool but not grow our reach.

It needs to be realistic. The amount of talent that will be produced in an AFL stronghold like Perth will be a drop in the ocean. And if it's about talent, you can produce talent without an NRL team. Most of our best talents come from the bush.
If they want a team, show us your juniors, show us the ground support.
I see f**k all.

If the NRL keeps growing the financial arm and the competition has more money, we can get talent from all over the world...
If we blow our cash trying to move into areas that don't want rugby league, we'll be stuck with whatever is available here.

 

[Pneuma]

I think you summed up the whole argument. WA is an AFL strong hold. As is Melbourne.. a small niche in 5 million is still substantial.
A small niche in 2 million ... not so much.
Then there The Force, the only reason they survive is because one of the richest people in Australia is happy to bleed money into it.
The only way we have a Perth team is if the NRL are willing to bleed tens of millions every year for 50 years..
WHY?

Well let’s just retreat into our comfy little world of nsw and qld and hope the rest of the sporting world just leaves us alone. And we will slowly die.

 

[MugaB]

It needs to be realistic. The amount of talent that will be produced in an AFL stronghold like Perth will be a drop in the ocean. And if it's about talent, you can produce talent without an NRL team. Most of our best talents come from the bush.
If they want a team, show us your juniors, show us the ground support.
I see f**k all.

If the NRL keeps growing the financial arm and the competition has more money, we can get talent from all over the world...
If we blow our cash trying to move into areas that don't want rugby league, we'll be stuck with whatever is available here.

I have no doubt perth or WA will increase talent pool and be successful, as will SA, but it will take time, and fair amount of players going over there to keep them competitive, for atleast 5 years till their own juniors become as good as the talent in the lower grades as in nsw and qld, but they need to have a team asap there to start that ball rolling... like ive said before, getting a east tigers or norths bears there now, will solve that problem

 

[Gobsmacked]

Well let’s just retreat into our comfy little world of nsw and qld and hope the rest of the sporting world just leaves us alone. And we will slowly die.

That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, that we aren't in that financial or expansion faze yet.
We have better/ profitable places we can expand to first.
We can't afford to become complacent and start throwing money around and it will cost the game an absolute fortune expanding into WA.
The next team should be NZ for simple reasons.
1 .it will grow revenue through TV rights in NZ
2. It will grow the talent pool
3. It won't cost the game 10's of millions!

I think another NZ team in 2025
Then see how our revenue streams are and by 2030 add both Perth and Adelaide in the same year. If it plays out that way then the salary cap should be significantly higher and both Perth and Adelaide will be given the cash to splash on talent from all over the world.

 

[Perth Red]

Truth shouldn't be provocative. There was a Perth team & now there isn't. Expansion team folding after 3 years in failure. Fact.
First step to addressing problem is admitting it.

Ok let’s play the game. So where was the failure in the case of the reds, the crushers and the rams, in the clubs or in the games administration?

Perth never finished bottom, never had the lowest crowd avg in any of their seasons and had a strong jnr pool coming through. So where was the failure? Their cutting out of the comp was political and due to rationalisation, primarily motivated by news ltd wanting to relocate them to Melbourne and ARL wanting a pound of flesh in reprisals, whilst protecting the nswrl comp, sorry the nrl lol

 

[Pneuma]

That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, that we aren't in that financial or expansion faze yet.
We have better/ profitable places we can expand to first.
We can't afford to become complacent and start throwing money around and it will cost the game an absolute fortune expanding into WA.
The next team should be NZ for simple reasons.
1 .it will grow revenue through TV rights in NZ
2. It will grow the talent pool
3. It won't cost the game 10's of millions!

I think another NZ team in 2025
Then see how our revenue streams are and by 2030 add both Perth and Adelaide in the same year. If it plays out that way then the salary cap should be significantly higher and both Perth and Adelaide will be given the cash to splash on talent from all over the world.

The positives
1. Perth isn’t a risk
2. Perth is fully supported by a friendly government
3. Perth has an established comp, and a history of streaming players into the NRL
4. Perth offers a new viable time slot for games
5. Perth is genuine expansion into a new willing friendly market
6. Perth had already demonstrated it can support a team and was a sacrificial lamb for the super league settlement
7. W.A. Is about to explode in terms of population
8. W.A.s economy is about to explode through its commitment to renewables.
9. W.A. Regionally has demonstrated a willingness to develop the game and run rugby league competitions- points 7 and 8 refer - the game will spread.
10. W.A. Has a strong rugby culture: Union and league. Union currently dominates participation. A rugby league team will change that balance.
11. The NRLWA had an outstanding CEO supported by strong big business interest in the game

The negatives

1. the NRLWA website needs some serious work
2. The yalping here from those who can’t see the obvious.
3. Peter V’landys early silly comment about AFL states. I hope he regrets it now.

Conclusion.
Put a bloody team in Perth.

 

[Perth Red]

That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, that we aren't in that financial or expansion faze yet.
We have better/ profitable places we can expand to first.
We can't afford to become complacent and start throwing money around and it will cost the game an absolute fortune expanding into WA.
The next team should be NZ for simple reasons.
1 .it will grow revenue through TV rights in NZ
2. It will grow the talent pool
3. It won't cost the game 10's of millions!

I think another NZ team in 2025
Then see how our revenue streams are and by 2030 add both Perth and Adelaide in the same year. If it plays out that way then the salary cap should be significantly higher and both Perth and Adelaide will be given the cash to splash on talent from all over the world.

There’s a lot more more on the table in wa than in nz, so if you’re decision is purely financial stability then perth is in every time.

in fact whilst Perths risk lies in playing talent to be competitive, nz risk lies in its financial sustainability given the cities we are talking about are small and ltd in corporates with no sign of govt support, at least so far.

Perth brings a better time slot option for Australian tv as well as the 4th biggest metro market for tv advertising. You think sky nz is going to pony up for nz2 what an Australian partner/s will pony up for another Australian metro capital club?

im def now leaning on the side of stupid rather than troll.

 

[Perth Red]

We don't have Elite jnr development system now in place in Perth? ....

We do, the system theyve got for the kids to develop through into the regions based system gives them the opportunity to progress to next levels, hopefully sg ball is back next year as well as that next step up after that. our problem is after that they go to union, have to head east, or go nowhere.

 

[Perth Red]

I think you summed up the whole argument. WA is an AFL strong hold. As is Melbourne.. a small niche in 5 million is still substantial.
A small niche in 2 million ... not so much.
Then there The Force, the only reason they survive is because one of the richest people in Australia is happy to bleed money into it.
The only way we have a Perth team is if the NRL are willing to bleed tens of millions every year for 50 years..
WHY?

Nonsense, where nrl needs to spend money is in the nrlwa, not in the nrl club that comes along.
We’ve got rich backers, a rich govt and a decent fanbase sitting waiting for a club. Why will it cost tens of millions? With the club grant about to hit $5mill above cap there is no reason at all any nrl club shouldn’t be profitable.

 

[Perth Red]

I have no doubt perth or WA will increase talent pool and be successful, as will SA, but it will take time, and fair amount of players going over there to keep them competitive, for atleast 5 years till their own juniors become as good as the talent in the lower grades as in nsw and qld, but they need to have a team asap there to start that ball rolling... like ive said before, getting a east tigers or norths bears there now, will solve that problem

Fair point and by far the biggest challenge for a perth club. Mitigation strategies are going to be needed to manage this risk. This is where the nrl needs to decide if it genuinely wants to be a comp across australia or just stick to its heartlands. Perth is where the rubber meets the road for just how serious the nrl is about growing the game.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The positives
1. Perth isn’t a risk
2. Perth is fully supported by a friendly government
3. Perth has an established comp, and a history of streaming players into the NRL
4. Perth offers a new viable time slot for games
5. Perth is genuine expansion into a new willing friendly market
6. Perth had already demonstrated it can support a team and was a sacrificial lamb for the super league settlement
7. W.A. Is about to explode in terms of population
8. W.A.s economy is about to explode through its commitment to renewables.
9. W.A. Regionally has demonstrated a willingness to develop the game and run rugby league competitions- points 7 and 8 refer - the game will spread.
10. W.A. Has a strong rugby culture: Union and league. Union currently dominates participation. A rugby league team will change that balance.
11. The NRLWA had an outstanding CEO supported by strong big business interest in the game

The negatives

1. the NRLWA website needs some serious work
2. The yalping here from those who can’t see the obvious.
3. Peter V’landys early silly comment about AFL states. I hope he regrets it now.

Conclusion.
Put a bloody team in Perth.

Apart from the time slot.
Every single point in grossly over stated.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Fair point and by far the biggest challenge for a perth club. Mitigation strategies are going to be needed to manage this risk. This is where the nrl needs to decide if it genuinely wants to be a comp across australia or just stick to its heartlands. Perth is where the rubber meets the road for just how serious the nrl is about growing the game.

The game can grow once revenue grows to point that it can sustain it.

It'll cost the NRL 20 million a year with next to no return.

I don't think anyone realises that the game is only just now becoming financial . We were kn the ropes for a long time. Hap hazardly throwing money into a far flug expansion is exactly what will throw the game back financially.

But rest assured that the NRL are working diligently behind the scenes crunching the number, so if Perth gets the nod I'm behind it but from the outside looking in , it certainly isn't a no brainer.
It's extremely risky.
WA as a state runs on the iron ore price for starters. That market collapses and the Perth economy goes backwards, the people who went there go home.
It all rests on iron ore.
Even Twiggy wasn't looking good at one point and if the ore stayed low for another year.. there would be no Western Force.

 

[Pneuma]

Apart from the time slot.
Every single point in grossly over stated.

Actually they aren’t. I’m working on two projects in regional WA at the moment that are going to be huge. The place will go gangbusters. Not having a team there is beyond stupid.
I’m right about the regional comps. I’m right about the ceo. I’m right about the momentum we will get trading off union when we get a league team. It happened last time.
By the way if you want to sell our game as an investment to big corporations and multi national companies with a goal of advertising Australia wide who do you think would rather be? The afl with a national comp of the nrl which doesn’t. And in case you hadn’t noticed the big wheels of industry role in W.A. As much as anywhere else in Australia. Perth is a no brainer.

 

[Pneuma]

The game can grow once revenue grows to point that it can sustain it.

It'll cost the NRL 20 million a year with next to no return.

I don't think anyone realises that the game is only just now becoming financial . We were kn the ropes for a long time. Hap hazardly throwing money into a far flug expansion is exactly what will throw the game back financially.

But rest assured that the NRL are working diligently behind the scenes crunching the number, so if Perth gets the nod I'm behind it but from the outside looking in , it certainly isn't a no brainer.
It's extremely risky.
WA as a state runs on the iron ore price for starters. That market collapses and the Perth economy goes backwards, the people who went there go home.
It all rests on iron ore.
Even Twiggy wasn't looking good at one point and if the ore stayed low for another year.. there would be no Western Force.

The iron ore argument is a straw man. Twiggy and others are looking to renewables. Kwinana and the Pilbara. Watch this space.

Elizabeth Gaines steps down as Fortescue looks for new CEO amid green energy push - Stockhead

After four years at the helm FMG boss Elizabeth Gaines will relinquish her role as CEO amid its shift from iron ore to green energy.

stockhead.com.au

 

[AdelaideSharky]

The wildcats and scorchers get plenty of coverage here.

Probably because both especially the former have been far and away the most successful in the league's history.

If the Wildcats were consistently down the lower end of the table I highly doubt you'd hear a peep about them in the media.