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If the Western Force get cut

Perth Red

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That is Absolutely what is needed. But what money are they going to use? Maybe after the clubs are settled and knights/Gold Coast have been sold for a good price they might do it, that is what the nrl have said for a few years now. I would also assume that the Nrl would also use the announcement of a Perth expansion team as well as big money for WA grassroots to help with the snowball affect.

yeh with only$540million revenue next year how could they possibly afford It?
 

Stormwarrior82

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Best thing the nrl could do if Force are cut is to pump some serious money Into the nrlwa to support union jnr clubs to convert to league and to increase funding to the elite program.

We have our first union club start up a Jnr league program last year in the Kwinana wolves, let's convince the others to jump ship.

Then announce a Perth team for 2021/22 so these kids have something to aspire to.

So if/when the force get dumped this week or next you would want the nrl in the next year to pump serious money into Warl? How much is serious money?
 

Perth Red

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So if/when the force get dumped this week or next you would want the nrl in the next year to pump serious money into Warl? How much is serious money?

Around $750k a year would be a start. Offer $10k - $20k in support and free regos to any union club wanting to run a league set up or switch totally. $200k to the sg ball set up to get better facilities, coaches and entice the best force under 18's to switch to league, increase the Shs scholarship program to double the number of schools involved, more development officers.

That would be a good start.
 

taipan

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$150mill non media revenue, $390mill media revenue give or take a few biscuits.

Show me the offsetters/ expenditure.That's apparently only half the story.IOW what is left to spend from 2018.
Not much use earning $500m pa,if you spend $499m pa.
 

BuffaloRules

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What does the NRL give to WA RL now?

It doesn't seem to be made public so no one knows...

Assume it's more than $750k..
 

Perth Red

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What does the NRL give to WA RL now?

It doesn't seem to be made public so no one knows...

Assume it's more than $750k..

not sure, as you say it isnt published. In terms of staffing they have a CEO, general manager, couple of admin people and around 6 development officers.

The elite academy and sg ball set up is self funded.
 
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You don't have to guess, it's in the annual report what they spend money on. And yes they will choose what they will spend this massive revenue increase on. They will have fixed increased costs then a whack of discretionary spending money that they will choose what to spend it on, like $100mill on digital something or other.
 

BuffaloRules

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The NRL report is not very transparent in where the money is being spent... Very broad categories are used with no real explanations of what they exactly are or further break downs of those categories...

It's a joke in my view...

Those 6 development people in WA probably run about 200k each in salary and other costs ...

I would expect they are already putting a couple of mil into WA at the moment as they should be....

The problem is though that there are a lot of areas that need to be funded, including NZ and the Pacific Islands...
 

Perth Red

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Lol, $200k? Their salaries will be around $70k if that. Most of them are sg ball linked teenagers. Couple of mill? Wouldn't be close. Closer to half that I suspect. They give one qland/nsw cup team more money than the spend in WA and SA combined I suspect.

Be great if they funded the affiliated states even close to the tens of millions they are spending in nsw and qland. We have about 10% the players, be nice if we got 10% the funding!
 

j5o6hn

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If the AFL can fund 2 teams in NSW & 2 in QLD @ 200 mil each why is it so hard for the NRL to do the same with 20 mil,to many ill managed clubs,to many yrs of ignoring the fans,to many people in the Clubs who have no idea what they are doing.
How many profitable clubs are there? you lot are always saying dog eat dog let the badly run clubs die & put the money to better use! I,m pretty sure in Perth we could find people a damm sight smarter and more ideas the the NRL & the bloke they are shit frightened off Gould
 

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You don't have to guess, it's in the annual report what they spend money on. And yes they will choose what they will spend this massive revenue increase on. They will have fixed increased costs then a whack of discretionary spending money that they will choose what to spend it on, like $100mill on digital something or other.

Seeing 2018 hasn't yet started,it interesting they have already put out an annual report for the future year.Bloody great crystal ballers.
Expenses that are necessary perhaps?We don't even know what the flipping salary cap will be yet for 2018.
 

Perth Red

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Funny I'm in the middle of setting 10 work dept budgets for 17/18. Guess what it hasn't happened yet but I have a good idea of what Incom and expenditure will be.

Geez if you are actually in business you will know the process of budgeting and that you use last years figures and best guess forecasts on what you know to set your budget for the year ahead. Pretty sure it is no different for the nrl. They will have reasonable idea of expected income, predicted expenditure and budgets will be getting finalised.

As I said there is fixed costs for running the nrl then a big discretionary Budget that they decide what they want to spend it on. Fixed costs are club grants, admin and game running costs. After that they prioritise what they want to spend on. Be it expansion or digital or grass roots or higher ceo salary or a link up with touch footy or png or Fiji or a dozen other things that they could invest in.

Some of us think that prioritising expansion and investing so that we have the ninth game to sell is what they should be doing. That's all.
 

BuffaloRules

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Lol, $200k? Their salaries will be around $70k if that. Most of them are sg ball linked teenagers. Couple of mill? Wouldn't be close. Closer to half that I suspect. They give one qland/nsw cup team more money than the spend in WA and SA combined I suspect.

Be great if they funded the affiliated states even close to the tens of millions they are spending in nsw and qland. We have about 10% the players, be nice if we got 10% the funding!

Do they get a car or do they just get the local subway around? Not like WA is a big place is it ?

$70K ? They would be better off working in Bunnings....

As I mentioned though... None of us know because they don't publish the numbers..Would be very surprised if the salary is less than $100k...

With other expenses payable by the NRL it would be running a lot more than that.....

No... They are under 18 teenagers apparently moonlighting after SG Ball training ...
 
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taipan

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Funny I'm in the middle of setting 10 work dept budgets for 17/18. Guess what it hasn't happened yet but I have a good idea of what Incom and expenditure will be.

Geez if you are actually in business you will know the process of budgeting and that you use last years figures and best guess forecasts on what you know to set your budget for the year ahead. Pretty sure it is no different for the nrl. They will have reasonable idea of expected income, predicted expenditure and budgets will be getting finalised.

As I said there is fixed costs for running the nrl then a big discretionary Budget that they decide what they want to spend it on. Fixed costs are club grants, admin and game running costs. After that they prioritise what they want to spend on. Be it expansion or digital or grass roots or higher ceo salary or a link up with touch footy or png or Fiji or a dozen other things that they could invest in.

Some of us think that prioritising expansion and investing so that we have the ninth game to sell is what they should be doing. That's all.


I've been involved with business in various positions ,possibly well before you started whingeing about rl crowds.
I have also been involved in forward estimates(production)and costings getting close sometimes other times not so ,with things completely out of ones control.Ever heard of Force Majeure clauses in shipping contracts ?Flooding to prevent transport getting through?Currency fluctuations, so you take out covers.

Of course they (the NRL)would be setting estimates ahead(they have indicated a figure for grassroots), but you have never heard of budget blowouts, acts of God,women's competition planned,possible expansion.The NRL lost money last year.Did they forsee that?
As we have seen last years figures to work on 2017 get blown out of the water, when we see 2017 with drops in crowds due to 1 months of torrential rain,Cyclone Debbie,clubs needing extra loot not budgeted for
Hell SOO merchandise sales in 2016 were well down on prior estimates due to series decided early and a non sold out SOO3.Look at the 9s tournament, crowds down and now looking at staging it in Oz.

The NRL like most sports in this country is supposedly set up as a non profit organisation to propagate the game.hence the reason they get Govt grants at times.

Well Einstein the 16 NRL clubs, the RLPA,the NRL still don't know what the salary cap plus the 30% will be.This is a fixed cost that hasn't even been settled yet.The very reason clubs, players,player managers are in a bind.And the percentage of total 16 club grants against total income is what? A bloody big %.
When that figure is settled upon, other expenditure can be better assessed.
No doubt NSWRL and QRLamounts would be set .
Admin salaries would be easy to project forward,as would DOs,then you have the ambassadors,Men of League ,charities.various assistance set up for players,Integrity unit.

They haven't finalised the sale of their 2 NRL owned clubs.The affect of not having ANZ stadium for a couple or more years or Parramatta.Grand finals where will they be played?.Will SOO on Perth get a packed house.

You can project ahead ,that doesn't mean automatically you will be close to the mark.

We all may think an extra game will give us X amount.We don't know for sure, matter of fact wouldn't even hazard a guess.One minute Gyngell (ch9)said an extra side in Brisbane would be worth $20m pa to broadcasting then went cold on the idea.
But you have indicated in the past you want less Sydney sides, so your extra game comment is more like a distraction
 

taipan

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Do they get a car or do they just get the local subway around? Not like WA is a big place is it ?

$70K ? They would be better off working in Bunnings....

As I mentioned though... None of us know because they don't publish the numbers..Would be very surprised if the salary is less than $100k...

With other expenses payable by the NRL it would be running a lot more than that.....

No... They are under 18 teenagers apparently moonlighting after SG Ball training ...

Don't mention Bunnings,the fumblers will get excited.When their crowds drop,Bunnings had special entertainment and sales ATT. was the excuse thrown up on one occasion.
 

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