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In praise of The Greatest

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CanadianSteve

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Warlock: Are you sure Eddis Futch started in Frazier's corner in 1965. I recall Joe had a trainer named Yancy 'Yank' Durham who was like a father figure to him from the early days of his career. But Durham died in the early 70's (I think) and that's when Eddie Futch became Joe's trainer. By memory I thought Durham was with Joe in the first Ali foght in 71, and Futch took over sometime after that.
Where could I look this up to check?
 
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CanadianSteve

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Thanks Warlock. I'm glad to see my memory was mostly right. We both had the right idea. Too bad the article doesn't say when Yank Durham died exactly, so I would know whether He was still alive for the first Ali-Frazier fight at least, as I seem to recall.
I don't mean any of this as an argument over who had their facts right. I just like testing my memory for trivia without looking things up. One thing I didn't know before reading this was that Futch had already been in Frazier's camp before Durham died
 

Javaman

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Whilst poster Warlock has to some extent shortened my reply here, with his two brilliant posts earlier on featuring the greatest heavyweight of all time, Joe Louis, I’ll still briefly express my feelings on the Brown Bomber, without trying to duplicate what has already been written and read.
Joe Louis was a superbly tuned athlete in all respects, who so often converted the boxing ring into a ballroom with movements which were so precise and elegant, that they almost seemed choreographed. In the history of this great yet brutal sport, only two others boxers can lay rightful claim to also being able to accomplish that task. Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard.
Louis was a powerful man and fighter in its true meaning. He was the greatest punching machine to ever lace on the gloves in the history of heavyweight boxing. Nobody in that area alone even comes close. Nobody. When the time came to prove himself, Louis was ruthless and punishing in the ring, and as one reporter wrote in the Chicago Tribune once “..he often displayed the cold-hearted brutality and ferociousness of a hired mob hitman”.
Louis was never the dancer and show-pony that the self proclaimed greatest was, Muhammad Ali. He was a boxer in it’s true meaning, and a model of precision fighting for many boxers before and after him. Louis did his talking with his fists, and after delivering some of the sports most brutal beatings to many opponents, still chose not to belittle and talk of them or the bout like some others. Louis never said ‘I told you so’ at the conclusion of one of his many victories, Louis often commented ‘he (the opposing fighter) should have known better than to step in the same ring as me’ at the conclusion of his bouts.
What set this great man and champion apart from all other heavyweights before and after him, is that Louis was arguably the smartest boxer ever. A man who very rarely made a mistake, and never made the same mistake twice. Ever! Just ask Max Schmeling. He was an incredibly hard worker outside the ring, who often studies his opponents to such great lengths, that he had the bout predicted ending to almost the second of the round. Not the round like Ali so often screamed to the world. The closest Louis ever came to boasting was once when he commented that his “..opponents can run, but they can never hide.”

Joe Louis became the second black heavyweight since Jack Johnson in a time when America was still battling racial differences. So when he won the championship, not all was rosy for the man. But within a matter of a few months, barely a year, not only was he the pride and joy of black America, but he was rapidly earning the well wishes of white America too. People didn’t just like Joe Louis, they absolutely adored him. Considering he never told the world he was the greatest, or flaunted his belt like a two bob prostitute, it was truly a remarkable achievement. People first fell in love with the person Joe Louis and then the boxer Joe Louis. Hardly a transition that takes place now days, but should always be the case. When a sports writer once called Joe Louis a “credit to his race” in an interview before a fight, another young sports writer at the time, Jimmy Cannon quickly commented “ Joe Louis is a credit to his race - the human race!”
Louis easily (though arguably) had the very best hands in boxing’s heavyweight history. He had incredible power in both hands with lighting speed. He could, at will, and did, flatten any boxer with punches that could travel a mere five or so inches. No BS. I’ll be the first to fairly admit that his footwork could look slow and tiresome at times, but the incredible speed in which he delivered his punches was formidable, and only a very few men could, and did, stand up to one of his ruthless onslaughts. Louis also took excellent care of his body, and very rarely if ever came into a fight looking anywhere near out of shape. He possessed the perfect physique a boxer should carry, with just the perfect amount of muscle so as not to slow him down yet still be lethal.
Throughout his illustrious career, Joe Louis defended his heavyweight crown no fewer than 25 times, more times than any other heavyweight in boxing history, and he succeeded in knocking out no fewer than five former heavyweight champions. Absolutely brilliant.
Joseph Louis Barrow - the greatest heavyweight champion the world has ever had the pleasure and privilege of seeing fight.
Javaman thanking those who read.
 

imported_Outlaw

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A good read there Javaman and thanks for finding the time to doing so.
I've also heard about that short punching ability that Louis could throw and had. To be able to throw a punch from only a few inches away from you target, and be effective, is almost impossible and hard to believe. He also seemed like a true gentleman in an almost alwaysun-gentlemanly sport, which is a credit to him.

 
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Vertigo

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In the last three days, I watched a ESPN Sports Century Classic on Joe Louis, as well as two fights of his. The first was against JoeLouis versus Billy Conn, and the second was the same to fighters in the rematch after Louis had completed national services. Joe Louis was simply devastating. The thing that struck me the most was, the minute the end of round bell would sound, Louis would immediately retreat back to his corner. He would do the same thing the moment Conn was dropped to the floor. A truly gentlemanly act.


Without going into much detail about all the shows of Louis I viewed, I just wanted to say that after viewing all three documentaries, all that's been said and posted about Joe Louis on this thread seems very-veryaccurate. He certainly was a gentleman of the brutal sport and boxed on par with anyone I've seen before or after. A credit to boxing and it's history pages. It was a pleasure seeing the man box.

Vertigo

 
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Enlightening comments there Vertigo, coming from someone who I've always admired as a poster. I thought you were from Sydney, Australia though mate? I say that because isn't ESPN Sports Century Classican American show only available in the States? I may be wrong..

I could also be thinking of someone else though?
 
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legend

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I think Vertigo is from Sydney but he currently resides in Chicago Illinois, which wouldexplain your question Reservoir Dog. I don't know which NRL team he follows though. I hope it's not the Dogs.
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Well, I know from the WORL days that he is a Broncos supporter (I'm fairly certain of that), but didn't know thathe now resides in the US. Thanks for that legend.

Broncos aren't all that bad for him, considering it could have faired far worse. He could have been a Raiders supporter
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Vertigo

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Legend’s correct Reservoir Dog. I’m now in Chicago, Illinois and have been since shortly before this past Christmas. I’m here on work purposes, and hope to return home to Sydney later in the present year. I am a proud Brisbane Broncos fan.
Warlock- None of the three documentaries I viewed on Joe Louis had titles. I’ll explain. ESPN Classic is a sports network, affiliated with ESPN. As the title implies, it’s primary objective is classical sports programs within the last 100-years or so. Classic in this instance can be defined as anything from practically yesterday to (on some instances) well past the last millennium. You would be surprised how far back in sports their footage goes. Although it primarily concentrated on American sporting stars, it does cover many sports stars in various sporting fields and achievements globally. I’ve seen documentaries which appear under the text title ESPN Sports Century Classic’s on sports stars such as Babe Ruth, Maradonna, Johnny Unitis, John Elway, Ali, Robinson, Frazier, Leonard, Marciano, Pele, Dale Earnhart and of course Joe Louis, just to name a few. Their programs are informative, educational and put together in a very thorough manner. The thing that I admire the most is rather than dwelling on their personal lives off the sporting arena, it concentrates predominantly on their achievements on the park.
On to Joe Louis. The first was a very detailed documentary on the man and his fruits inside the boxing circle and ring and bared no official title, as the programme came under ESPN Sports Century Classic‘s. The two fights against Billy Conn also had no title. They were one hour long combined, and whilst (I’m certain) it didn’t show the bouts and round in its entirety, it showed the highlights up until the knockouts in the 8th and 13th if I remember correctly, it did show parts worthy of viewing.
Canadian Steve, who resides north of me, may well have access to the same programme.
I have viewed other documentaries on ESPN Classic which cover boxing that do have titles. A.K.A Cassius Clay and ALI-Frazier Number 1 are two that immediately come to mind. Below this post is a link to their web site which shows what programs are coming up and so forth. It may be of interest to you.
I hope this answered your query.
http://espn.go.com/classic/
Vertigo
 
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ozbash

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there was a program on sky last night"behind the fights-mills lane"
it was absolutely brilliant,showing boxers like,marciano,sugar ray robinson and others i cant remember.
i hope its going to be repeated or is in fact a series cos i,ll be taping and they will be available.
 

El Duque

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We get bugger all in Aus.

Have we ever had a Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather fight on here?No we get stuck with shit like Mundine v Francis.
It will be interesting to see how PBF goes against Castillo at lightweight.
Pity we can't see it live.
 

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