International Origin: England vs Exiles

[The Observer]

At the end of the day we don't have the resources, be they financial or physical, to beat Australia on a consistent basis.

Yes, England most certainly does have the resources to beat Australia, especially since NZ has done so in 3 major tournaments recently with a smaller pool of human and financial resources than both Australia and England.

Number of registered players in
England = 60,000+. Some statements claim total participation is 285,000.
New Zealand = 16,728 in 2009 (from the SPARC review).

Number of eligible players in SL/NRL top squads
England = more than twice that of NZ.

Number of professional teams
England = 12 FT (SL), 19 semi-pro (Championship & C1)
NZ = 1 FT (NZ Warriors), 1 semi-pro (Auckland Vulcans in NSW Cup)

Government funding shows a massive disparity in favour of England over NZ.
Sport England funding to RFL = 29.4 million sterling from 2009 to 2013

SPARC NZ funding to NZRL = NZ $3 million from 2011 to 2013.

Quantity and quality of player resources is not the issue - England/GB have both defeated NZ in a number of series in the last decade. New Zealand's defeat Australia in an RLWC, 3N and 4N is testament to that. Preparation and management are factors that England could address.

 

[roughyedspud]

most of it is mental....all of em' need to see a shrink

 

[roughyedspud]

skybet have opened a book on this game...and they can't pick a winner...all square across the board

england 11/10
exiles 11/10

 

[DINGb@T]

Need the team lists before anyone is willing to take a punt.

 

[roughyedspud]

likely Exiles team

1. hodgson or webb
2. pat richards
3. matt king
4. carmont or soliola
5. joel monaghan
6. rangi chase
7. thomas leuluai
8. willie mason
9. danny buderus
10 mark o'meley
11. luke o'donnell
12. menzies or newton
13. craig fitzgibbon

 

[Coleworld]

likely Exiles team

1. hodgson or webb
2. pat richards
3. matt king
4. carmont or soliola
5. joel monaghan
6. rangi chase
7. thomas leuluai
8. willie mason
9. danny buderus
10 mark o'meley
11. luke o'donnell
12. menzies or newton
13. craig fitzgibbon

This is a strong forward pack, the halves are a bit weak but i think these players will give England a decent contest, it may not be great for International Football but at the same time interesting. I hope Willie Mason talks this game up and gives it to the Pom's to create interest.

 

[The Observer]

It would be preferable if McLennan did not select players that are current internationals, or are eligible to represent emerging nations. These players have to play a long season as it is, and playing extra games will increase their workload, fatigue and could expose them to extra risk of injury that would rule them out of tests in October-November.

I'd pick a team like this (Highest rep level in brackets), it should still competition as well known as the current squad:

1. Hodgson (NSW)
2. Schifcofske (QLD)
3. King (Aus/NSW)
4. J Monaghan (Aus/NSW)
5. Patten (NSW)
6. M Monaghan
7. Finch (NSW)
8. Clinton (Australia/NSW)
9. Buderus (Aus/NSW)
10 O'Meley (Aus/NSW)
11. O'Donnell (Aus/NSW)
12. Menzies (Aus/NSW)
13. Fitzgibbon (Aus/NSW)

14. O'Hara (NSW)
15. Widders (Country)
16. Kearney (City)
17. Roberts (Country)
18. Holdsworth
19. Cashmere (City)

These players should be exempt, because they are current or potential internationals.
1. B Webb (NZ Kiwis representative)
2. Richards (Ireland representative)
3. Carmont (Toa Samoa representative)
4. Soliola (eligible for Samoa)
5. Meli (Toa Samoa representative)
6. Chase (NZ Maori representative)
7. T Leuluai (NZ Kiwis representative)
8. Mason (has played for Tonga, eligible again)
9. Faiumu (eligible for Samoa)
10. Vella (eligible for Malta)
11. Newton (eligible for USA/Scotland/England)
12. Hoffman (eligible for South Africa)
13. Faalogo (eligible for Samoa)
14. K Leuluai (Toa Samoa representative)
15. T Puletua (Toa Samoa representative)
16. B Galea (eligible for Malta)
17. L Anderson (eligible for Tonga)
18. Morrison (eligible for Wales)
19. J Sammut (Malta representative)
20. D Solomona (Toa Samoa representative)
21. P Ah Van (Toa Samoa representative)

The RFL should have consulted nations like NZRL, Samoa, Ireland etc to see if they want their players involved in this game.

 

[roughyedspud]

This is a strong forward pack, the halves are a bit weak .

rangi chase has been the best player in the league so far this season..and thomas leulaui has been his usual dependable self...he would'nt let the exiles down

 

[roughyedspud]

Exiles squad & jersey released

http://www.superleaguefans.com/rugby-league/2011/05/04/exiles-shirt-revealed.html

think i'll be buying that..its nice

 

[roughyedspud]

 

[clarency]

bleh... no thanks.

The mock design posted earlier was much better.

 

[Evil Homer]

Exiles squad & jersey released

http://www.superleaguefans.com/rugby-league/2011/05/04/exiles-shirt-revealed.html

think i'll be buying that..its nice

Why don't you spend your money buying a genuine international jersey and helping to develop the game rather than supporting this joke.

 

[roughyedspud]

what like when i bought polo shirts off the touring serbian team when i went to watch them play in london?...in fact theres only a few international jerseys i don't own....so blow it out ya backside..

 

[Sam_the_man]

Exiles squad & jersey released

http://www.superleaguefans.com/rugby-league/2011/05/04/exiles-shirt-revealed.html

think i'll be buying that..its nice

I'll buy one as well. Good looking jersey.

 

[Mr Angry]

Got to say.

I like it, I like it alot.

You have an exiles supporter here

 

[Jankuloski]

I liked the mock one better as well..

I think the exiles will win.

 

[Goldfields_Titans]

Yes, England most certainly does have the resources to beat Australia, especially since NZ has done so in 3 major tournaments recently with a smaller pool of human and financial resources than both Australia and England.

Number of registered players in
England = 60,000+. Some statements claim total participation is 285,000.
New Zealand = 16,728 in 2009 (from the SPARC review).

Just England or the United Kingdom as a whole? England is part of the UK.

 

[Goldfields_Titans]

Why don't you spend your money buying a genuine international jersey and helping to develop the game rather than supporting this joke.

Agree. Pity they couldn't even organise a proper sponsor for it!

 

[madunit]

So if England get touched up big time by the exiles, how do they expect to compete against the Australian and Kiwi sides?

Will they then play an exiled French team to soothe their ego's?

 

[roughyedspud]

Agree. Pity they couldn't even organise a proper sponsor for it!

sorry how is'nt ISC,a large multi national kit manufacturer,from down under which fits in with the whole Exiles concept, not a proper sponsor?

So if England get touched up big time by the exiles, how do they expect to compete against the Australian and Kiwi sides?

for christ sake...this exiles team would be the 4th best side in the world if it was a nation...more than capable than beating england...and beating NZ given that ENG v NZ games tend to be 50/50 games...and if they can beat NZ then it's not beyond the realms of possibilties that the exiles could beat australia once in a while...