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Is Chairman Spagnolo now a confirmed liar?

DeanPay98

Juniors
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OK, so he lied if you must insist.
Put yourself in Spagnolo's or Osborne's position.

What would you do, once you have decided you are going to terminate the coaches postion one year short, and you've made that decision 6 weeks out from the semis. Announce it then? Right. :roll:

I think it's been pretty well agreed upon that this could have been better handled. Besides actually keeping Anderson on, how could it have been?
I'm really keen to see the answers because as I said earlier, without dropping a bombshell on us now, it's probably been done as painlessly as possible.
Taking into account.....

1. Apparantly, Anderson wanted an extension of his contract, forcing the issue.
2. Osbourne's mission to Melbourne was leaked by the Storm.
3. Eels still in with a chance to make the semis - why confirm it then?
4. Conduct a review of the coach's performances to cover their own arses. (obviously why they did it)
5. Announce his termination during Grand Final time to reduce the amount of coverage it may receive thus softening the blow.
6. Have new coach in position several weeks before training resumes. (best scenario)

Not perfect in anyone's eyes I must admit, but if anyone can give me a better scenario to actually lessen the pain the club will suffer thoughout all this, I'd like to hear it. Obviously, keeping Anderson employed is a bygone issue so will not be accepted as an alternative.
If it was going to happen, I'd like to hear a better way that it could have been handled.

They could have told Anderson to his face. They could have run an open and competitive process for the Eels coaching job.
 

Haynzy

First Grade
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Read my post again. The culture I am standing for is the Eels traditional culture, not the cultures found in any other NRL club. It's not my place or interest to investigate other clubs for lies and deceit. Leave that to their members, players, staff, fans, media, etc, to expose if and whenever. I am ONLY interested in the traditional Eels community culture which I have written lots about over the past few months, Explained the reasons why and some of the pros and cons. Regardless of whatever culture runs supreme behind successful clubs, the stability within that culture, starting from the top (front office) to the bottom (juniors) produces results... St George this year, Broncos for many years, the Dogs, Peter Moore and their family club, are a few examples. The Eels had a strong 12 years or so between 1975 to 1986.

But you used ''other clubs'' as an example to prove your point.
None of the examples you just gave are/were squeaky clean.

I think you'll probably find that even back in the ''good old days'' there were some truths stretched from time to time by most, if not, all football clubs. Especially if some of the stories my grandpa told me were true.
He was also in the racing game and knew many players and club officials from the 50's through to the 70's when he got out.

Your memories are great and coloured by the innocence of your youth at the time and I'm glad that you hold them so dear.
The idea of a Utopian situation is fantastic and I agree with it in essence. Unfortunately though, I think it is just a pipe dream at the moment and that trying to enforce it on people does little more than alienate those who are trying to approach this situation realistically.
 

mrpwnd

Bench
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You are naive. The Leagues club board is responsible to the LEAGUES club members only and of the 50,000 members at least 30,000 of them couldn't give a rats arse about the football side of things and are only interested in the pokie palace. I doubt many of them even know there is an NRL team. You need to get an understanding of the structure and what is required by the registerd clubs act in order to understand it is required by law to be economically efficient for the benifit of the LEAGUES club members.
Naive?
I'm not saying any of them should completely respect the club as a footy club, I merely beg the question - When do they need to start compromising economic efficiency and overall club performance, for lack of better word.

It seems to me that the only positive coming out this year is that we're 'financially' better off. Great! Now what the f**k happened to our season.

There are fundamental things that I don't quite understand in all of this, but needless to say, the board aren't making the best decisions, I don't think anyone but the apologists could really deny this.
 

lingard

Coach
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Casper, every corporation tells lies or misrepresents the truth. And sometimes they are forced to. Earlier this year, the board decides they`d like to get rid of Daniel Anderson. Nothing wrong with that. They also decide they`d better make sure there will be a decent replacement for him or else they might be stuck with someone like Brett Kenny - and wouldn`t we fans be up in arms about that? So they sound out Stephen Kearney for the future. Nothing wrong with that - except someone from the Melbourne end leaks the fact that Osborne has spoken to Kearney. The press then go to this Spagnolo fellow (who you claim to have spoken to and got a bad vibe from, but I bet you don`t even know what he looks like) and ask him if Anderson`s job is in jeopardy. What can he say? Tell the truth? Say, "Yes, Daniel Anderson`s job is in jeopardy"? It`s half-way through the season and we`ve got a chance of making the semis, remember. And if he says "I can`t tell you that", it would have the same effect. So he HAS TO LIE. Don`t you get it? It couldn`t have been handled better. It just had to be done. I`ll bet this Spagnolo guy hated having to do it.They do it at every club. How many times has a CEO said that a coach`s position is safe and then sacked him at the end of the year? And we just laugh about it - until it happens at our club. Then the board are evil and they`re part of a cabal (whatever that is. I`ve got a dictionary beside me but I couldn`t be bothered looking it up.) Casper - what the f**k is the big problem? Are you concerned that they didn`t let Anderson continue for the third year of his contract? Imagine if they had. We would have had a dismal failure of a year, being coached by a real 'dead man walking' - just as happened when Brian Smith was in his last year. Wake up. Everything isn`t black and white.
 
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eels81236

Bench
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But you used ''other clubs'' as an example to prove your point.
None of the examples you just gave are/were squeaky clean.

I think you'll probably find that even back in the ''good old days'' there were some truths stretched from time to time by most, if not, all football clubs. Especially if some of the stories my grandpa told me were true.
He was also in the racing game and knew many players and club officials from the 50's through to the 70's when he got out.

Your memories are great and coloured by the innocence of your youth at the time and I'm glad that you hold them so dear.
The idea of a Utopian situation is fantastic and I agree with it in essence. Unfortunately though, I think it is just a pipe dream at the moment and that trying to enforce it on people does little more than alienate those who are trying to approach this situation realistically.

That works..... Played strong. Done fine.
 

CrazyEel

Bench
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Casper, every corporation tells lies or misrepresents the truth. And sometimes they are forced to. Earlier this year, the board decides they`d like to get rid of Daniel Anderson. Nothing wrong with that. They also decide they`d better make sure there will be a decent replacement for him or else they might be stuck with someone like Brett Kenny - and wouldn`t we fans be up in arms about that? So they sound out Stephen Kearney for the future. Nothing wrong with that - except someone from the Melbourne end leaks the fact that Osborne has spoken to Kearney. The press then go to this Spagnolo fellow (who you claim to have spoken to and got a bad vibe from, but I bet you don`t even know what he looks like) and ask him if Anderson`s job is in jeopardy. What can he say? Tell the truth? Say, "Yes, Daniel Anderson`s job is in jeopardy"? It`s half-way through the season and we`ve got a chance of making the semis, remember. And if he says "I can`t tell you that", it would have the same effect. So he HAS TO LIE. Don`t you get it? It couldn`t have been handled better. It just had to be done. I`ll bet this Spagnolo guy hated having to do it.They do it at every club. How many times has a CEO said that a coach`s position is safe and then sacked him at the end of the year? And we just laugh about it - until it happens at our club. Then the board are evil and they`re part of a cabal (whatever that is. I`ve got a dictionary beside me but I couldn`t be bothered looking it up.) Casper - what the f**k is the big problem? Are you concerned that they didn`t let Anderson continue for the third year of his contract? Imagine if they had. We would have had a dismal failure of a year, being coached by a real 'dead man walking' - just as happened when Brian Smith was in his last year. Wake up. Everything isn`t black and white.
One of the most sensibly rational posts I've read on the matter, well said Ivor.
 

lingard

Coach
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One of the most sensibly rational posts I've read on the matter, well said Ivor.


Thanks, Crazy Eel. According to family legend, my father wanted to call me Ivor when I was born. But my mother evidently won the argument. Ivor`s not a bad name, though. I wouldn`t mind it now that I am older. Would have cringed when I was a kid though. :lol:
 

CrazyEel

Bench
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Thanks, Crazy Eel. According to family legend, my father wanted to call me Ivor when I was born. But my mother evidently won the argument. Ivor`s not a bad name, though. I wouldn`t mind it now that I am older. Would have cringed when I was a kid though. :lol:
I surely did love watching little Ivor judo flipping those big fellas and I never recall one of them ever making fun of his name while they were layed out flat on the ground. He was a tough little 5/8 was our young Ivor Lingard :lol:
 

CrazyEel

Bench
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That`s great, Pete; except for two things:

1. I can`t read the article (too small even when enlarged)
2. You should be concerning yourself with old Canberra players from the sixties .........................oh, sorry. :lol:
Ivor was a cheeky bugger too :lol:
 

Forty20

First Grade
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IVOR LINGARD - PARRA'S POCKET SIZED HERCULES

Parramatta fans received a shock last year when officials placed highly regarded Leo Toohey on the transfer list and went ahead with plans to lure featherstone rover Ivor Lingard to Australia. Toohey was snapped up by Canterbury and fans eagerly awaited Lingard's first game with the blue and gold. He'd needs to be good, they said, to justify the release of the brilliant Toohey.

Ivor made his debut in a pre-season trial match against Saints. If Toohey's transfer had been a surprise, then Lingard's appearance was even a bigger shock. The diminutive, boyish-looking five-eigth would be "killed" in Sydney, they declared. Ridicule (?) such as "too small", "ridiculous (?)", "it must be his young brother, surely, this one's a ring-in" were bandied about freely around the ground. Matters did not improve for Lingard when Reg Gasnier stole the ball from him in a tackle and careered away for a run-away try.

To-day Ivor Lingard is something of a local hero. In the recent State match against St. George he silenced the great Gasnier with a remarkable display of tackling. He never left Gasnier all through the match. Against Balmain he blotted Danzey out of the game and reduced brilliant Hal Browne to a state of frustrated impotence. To rub salt into Browne's wounds, he snapped up a pass he dropped and sent Dick Thornett and Barry Rushworth goalward for a match winning try.

Last season Lingard was regarded as a steady, defensive type of five-eigth, lacking the nippiness and strength to make the most of openings. This season he is a transformed player. He had been moved to inside centre, where his opportunism in taking advantage of opponents' errors is reaping rich rewards. His deadly tackling is thwarting opposition backline moves. He is obviously appreciating the wider spaces.

How does he do it, this little fellow? He plays well above his weight, some say as much as two stone above. Lingard is exceptionally strong and is never far from the ball. He gets over a lot of ground, has clever footwork and a good pair of hands. In addition, he pays strict attention to his physical condition. He is a non-smoker and drinks but rarely, perhaps at the end of a week's work in company of his mates.

Ivor has adaprted himself to a strange country with surprising ease. Even his manner of talking, with only a trace of accent, is now completely Australian.

Parramatta supporters have not only accepted Ivor as one of their own-they have taken this pint-sized bundle of courage to their hearts.
Pardon any spelling errors on my behalf, was quite an interesting read though.
 
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parra pete

Referee
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That`s great, Pete; except for two things:

1. I can`t read the article (too small even when enlarged)
2. You should be concerning yourself with old Canberra players from the sixties .........................oh, sorry. :lol:

I posted it for your benefit because you seem to know little of the player you bear the name of.....ala` merkina Kinta....

So go and bite your arse.....:lol:

Solutions -----
1. GET some glasses then.

2..The Parramatta players of the sixties were my heroes - a time when Rugby League was more about loyalty than money and the blokes who ran the place were honourable. as well I was an admirer of the great politician
..Fred (give us this man our Daly Fred) Daly, who, of course went on to become No 1 ticket holder for the Raiders, and I also had a great mate in Les McIntyre, the founding father of the Canberra Raiders...a giant of a man who passed away earlier this year...Les was the dad of JR..(Chairman of the Raiders) who is still a good mate
 
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