Is Cleary a dud?

[Dave's mate]

Life as a Panther fan sucks right now but we were going to win as many comps under Ivan as we would have under Griffin

 

[franklin2323]

Life as a Panther fan sucks right now but we were going to win as many comps under Ivan as we would have under Griffin

We were going to play footy in Sept under hook...Not so under Ivan

 

[Dave's mate]

We were going to play footy in Sept under hook...Not so under Ivan

Maybe. Really depends on how bad all this off field shit has effected the players

 

[franklin2323]

Maybe. Really depends on how bad all this off field shit has effected the players

It is fitness mainly and hook wouldn't drop guys so late

 

[Andy_P]

We were going to play footy in Sept under hook...Not so under Ivan

Don't know about that. We never did fix up the slow starts and it got us in our last game last year.

 

[TheFrog]

Don't know about that. We never did fix up the slow starts and it got us in our last game last year.

It wasn't the slow start that got us, it was the stupid finish.

 

[Dave's mate]

Our whole attack was also still shovel the ball to Kikau

 

[franklin2323]

Our whole attack was also still shovel the ball to Kikau

We didn't do it right on the line though big difference in our attack

 

[martielang]

Our whole attack was also still shovel the ball to Kikau

& it worked, so....

 

[martielang]

I honestly wonder if Hook would of got a fair run from supporters if he wasn’t seen as a Broncos off cut. Or at least if his results were given fair credit.

 

[franklin2323]

Don't know about that. We never did fix up the slow starts and it got us in our last game last year.

Sharks no bench. We get it too 18-8 RCG drops the ball 2nd tackle. Kikau gives a penalty away 20-8 with 15 left. Game over there so was dumb errors that hurt us there

 

[franklin2323]

I honestly wonder if Hook would of got a fair run from supporters if he wasn’t seen as a Broncos off cut. Or at least if his results were given fair credit.

People hated him for some reason. Just glad people see Ivan for what he is now

 

[Dave's mate]

& it worked, so....

But it didn't. If you ain't first you're last

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

People hated him for some reason. Just glad people see Ivan for what he is now

Why do I believe Franklin that you've got it in for Cleary. Especially when I notice that you're the person how created this thread. July 2nd 2012. There appears to be a well worn trail of breadcrumbs back to then. Hate is such a wasted emotion.

I do have a question though Franklin did you celebrate the many wins of 2014 when Cleary won coach of the year ? How did you cope ?

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Maybe. Really depends on how bad all this off field shit has effected the players

I believe the effect of it all is ongoing. Sadly.

 

[mxlegend99]

People hated him for some reason. Just glad people see Ivan for what he is now

7 losses and 2 wins to start 2017 off did it for most... with a side tippedto be premiers. Took a lot less for you to hate Ivan.

But hey everyone hates him now.

 

[franklin2323]

Why do I believe Franklin that you've got it in for Cleary. Especially when I notice that you're the person how created this thread. July 2nd 2012. There appears to be a well worn trail of breadcrumbs back to then. Hate is such a wasted emotion.

I do have a question though Franklin did you celebrate the many wins of 2014 when Cleary won coach of the year ? How did you cope ?

My thoughts on Ivan come from his record an ordinary record as coach

 

[franklin2323]

7 losses and 2 wins to start 2017 off did it for most... with a side tippedto be premiers. Took a lot less for you to hate Ivan.

But hey everyone hates him now.

That side should never been tipped to be premiers. Too many holes in the side.

Ivan had coached for 7 or 8 seasons when I called him out as a dud. So bigger sample size and worse record

 

[mxlegend99]

My thoughts on Ivan come from his record an ordinary record as coach

2011 he took Warriors to a grand final.
Not even a dozen games later you had started this thread when our roster was pure shit that no coach was doing anything with.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

That side should never been tipped to be premiers. Too many holes in the side.

Ivan had coached for 7 or 8 seasons when I called him out as a dud. So bigger sample size and worse record

The Only coach though since 2002 to take the New Zealand Warriors to a grandfinal.