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Opinion Is Ricky Stuart the most overrated coach ever?

Raiderdave

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There's an element of truth to our defensive issues out wide..
We often panic n lose our shape too easily.
Croker & Eddie need to sort it out as we leaked too many points on their side late this season.

Seizer & Austin are going to be a cracking halves combo in 2016.
Throw in Elliot Whitehead & the remaining squad
And our favourable draw

& 2016 should be our best year since 2003.:cool:
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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If they dont learn how to tackle and grind out games, then it wont matter who the f**k they have.

Thats Stuarts job and what he will be judged on.

Hasn't managed it since Brad Fittler retired.
 

Big Pete

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If they dont learn how to tackle and grind out games, then it wont matter who the f**k they have.

Thats Stuarts job and what he will be judged on.

Hasn't managed it since Brad Fittler retired.

Outside of 2008, where it was the Sharks MO.

I'm not sold on the Raiders making waves in 2016 either. They've still got a ton of work to do and I don't know if we'll see the final product in 2016 and 2017.

Ricky was dealt a terrible hand when he joined in 2013, and while he's made the most of it, it's still far from a good hand.
 

Snappy

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Nick could have saved himself writing all the posts on the last couple pages and just said.... Yes, I think Sezer is the messiah.
 

papabear

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Halfback is just about the most important position on the field....that or hooker. Stuart clearly thought he could have got tamou to break contract hence why he was dumping players from the front row stocks. That said aiden sezer is a solid upgrade at half and pretty cheap too. Especially as the cap is likely to rise.

So yeah i think Shillington should have maybe be kept on for a year or something. That said he was playing like an idiot at the end of last year. If vaughan goes down with an injury then stuart can be blamed for the front row situation.

Stuart not re-signing Shillington was his best move.
 

Billythekid

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Depending on if he stays fit I think Sezer could be the signing of the year. He looks to be a fantastic player to me, great kicking game, good running and passing game and very solid defender. Can kick goals as well. The raiders picked him up quite cheaply considering how good he has been and the importance of a quality halfback. He's perfect next to Austin as well, he takes care of most of the halves duties and allows Austin to play a more free flowing attacking style.

At the titans they basically seemed to fall apart any time he got injured. One minute they're on top of the ladder next thing you know Sezer goes down and they look sh*t.

Having said that he does seem a little injury prone and we don't know how he will go changing clubs. Personally I think he has looked impressive and if anything when fit is close to if not NSW's best halfback. I'm looking forward to watching him play this year, hoping he kicks on to the next level.
 

Hutty1986

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Depending on if he stays fit I think Sezer could be the signing of the year. He looks to be a fantastic player to me, great kicking game, good running and passing game and very solid defender. Can kick goals as well. The raiders picked him up quite cheaply considering how good he has been and the importance of a quality halfback. He's perfect next to Austin as well, he takes care of most of the halves duties and allows Austin to play a more free flowing attacking style.

At the titans they basically seemed to fall apart any time he got injured. One minute they're on top of the ladder next thing you know Sezer goes down and they look sh*t.

Having said that he does seem a little injury prone and we don't know how he will go changing clubs. Personally I think he has looked impressive and if anything when fit is close to if not NSW's best halfback. I'm looking forward to watching him play this year, hoping he kicks on to the next level.

Sezer's okay, but have you seen Sam Williams play??
 

Pete Cash

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Stuart not re-signing Shillington was his best move.

Maybe but mostly because of how much Shillington was on, how they hate each other and him being a pea brained clown.

He was still good for 100m every week

If shillo was replaced by even a cheap prop thats fine. Stuart was absolutely right there was too much money tied up in tilse, shillo, tll and white considering the output but the raiders are mighty thin on props if vaughan gets injured. He was replaced by lima thats no good for 2016.
 

Walt Flanigan

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Maybe but mostly because of how much Shillington was on, how they hate each other and him being a pea brained clown.

He was still good for 100m every week

Shillo is great when he?s just carting the ball up. But for some weird reason he suddenly decided he was Feleti Mateo and started offloading on every run he took. Cost us dearly on occasion.
 

nick87

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Shillington's stupidity cost us at least 4 competition points at the back end of last year. Some might argue it was maybe even 6
He's a good player and was one of our best signings. I hold no grudges because he put a lot of work into this club and at this best was one of the best front rowers in the game but his time to move on had come and it was the right call

I think Stuart was banking on Tamou or Paulo being here in 2016 to replace him but things didn't work out for that. So we're light on in the front row for 2016 but I suspect that will be resolved for 2017 in the coming months
 

Mr Angry

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Paul Kent said:
AMONG the small lives, another man’s failure is often claimed as victory.
Ricky Stuart is such a winner they cheer his failures. He helps them by bleeding openly, a small sideshow on the sideline where every loss leaves him haemorrhaging.
Stuart stood on the sideline Saturday and, for the second time in as many games, banged his chest with his hand.
The Raiders were behind but they were coming. For the first time in a long time they looked like a football side.
Stuart’s chest thump caught the eye of Iosia Soliola out on the field who banged his chest in reply.
Soliola is the pulse in the team. He is the kind of player you put in a boxing ring and there will never be enough rounds to beat him. Beau Scott is another and every team needs one.
Soliola played tough and the Raiders, who in other years would have tried to manufacture the miracle victory with Harlem Globetrotter football, instead played tough and direct and won the game.
Such wins create something at the good clubs. Something there for the next time.
Stuart is building himself a team, which must come at some personal pain to his haters.
The majority of those people always point to his performance with Cronulla in 2009-10 (15th and 14th) and Parramatta in 2013 when the Eels finished last as evidence he cannot coach.
They forget he took the Sharks to equal first on the ladder in 2008 with Manly and Melbourne, with a roster that did not even barely resemble the eventual premiers Manly or the soon-to-be-discovered salary cap cheating Melbourne, who eliminated them in the grand final qualifier.
They forget over the summer the Sharks lost Greg Bird, Brett Kimmorley, Lance Thompson and Isaac De Gois from the roster. That, through injury, Paul Gallen played just 16 games in 2009, Trent Barrett played just 14 and Ben Ross just one.
When he got the Eels job they forget he took over a team already last the season before and a point off being last the season before that. A club mired in failure.
Stuart took the job with dysfunction at board level and a roster made up of men who basically ran around the field and bumped into each other.
He figured he could get rid of six each year for the next three years, which would only just get the Eels to the point of being competitive, or he could offload most of them immediately and create space on the salary cap and give themselves a chance the following season.
That led to the famous projector meeting, when he called the squad in and lit up a projector and there on the wall were the names of a dozen players who needed to find new clubs. Oh, that gave them their ammunition.
It could have been handled better but Stuart knew given the large number of players getting tapped that if he went one by one then by the time the fourth or fifth player was called in the fire would light up the NRL rumour mill. He figured it was best done all at once, which in hindsight was still probably a mistake.
Anyway, after that Parra finished last so Stuart could not coach. Who was he to tell all those players they had no job when he couldn’t do the job himself, the small lives cheered.
It’s worth looking back now to see where those players are.
After Stuart put his name on the projector Reni Matua found a start with Canterbury the following season and played 13 games before the Dogs let him go. He has since popped up at Featherstone, Salford and now plays for Leigh in English First Division, unable to interest another NRL club.
Matt Keating was also unable to interest another NRL club and played the following season at Burleigh on the NSW north coast.
Willie Tonga could not find another NRL club either and moved to Catalan for a season but now currently plays for Leigh.
Nathan Smith could not find another club.
Ben Roberts played 18 games next season for Melbourne, replacing the departed Gareth Widdop, and was gone the season after and now plays at Castleford in Super League.
Daniel Harrison moved to Manly, played one game and now plays for London Broncos.
Cheyse Blair went to Manly for two seasons, played 18 games and now plays for Easts Tigers in the Queensland Cup.
Pat O’Hanlon moved to the Bulldogs and played 12 games in 2014 but has since been unable to get out of NSW Cup.
Unable to interest another NRL club Matt Ryan moved to Wakefield but now plays First Division in England for Bradford.
Ben Smith played 10 games the following season and retired.
Only Luke Kelly is still at the Eels, playing six games (2014), 12 games (2015) and one so far this season.
None have gone on to embarrass Stuart’s decision.
Now in Canberra, there is still much work ahead for the Raiders. Two wins to start the season are not nearly enough.
Beyond the score, though, there is evidence of something building at Canberra.
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Pete Cash

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I'll give Stuart credit he learnt from the disaster at parra. He didn't move on the plodders until he had replacements lined up. He even extended a few deals knowing he could probably move them on later if needed.

Tilse and McCrone come to mind. We are probably still paying some of mccrones contract mind but as much as I hated it at the time extending those guys was probably the right thing to do. He didn't want a repeat of the overhead projector incident even if it would have been completely justified with some of the mooks we had playing for us at the end of the Furner era.
 
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I'll give Stuart credit he learnt from the disaster at parra. He didn't move on the plodders until he had replacements lined up. He even extended a few deals knowing he could probably move them on later if needed.

Tilse and McCrone come to mind. We are probably still paying some of mccrones contract mind but as much as I hated it at the time extending those guys was probably the right thing to do. He didn't want a repeat of the overhead projector incident even if it would have been completely justified with some of the mooks we had playing for us at the end of the Furner era.

He's been coaching on and off at a first grade or higher level since 2002. Nice to see that he's finally learnt from one of his mistakes.
 

Pete Cash

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I think what he did at parra felt right...in theory. He approached the problem a bit silly but he was trying to just rip the bandaid off.

I think parra fans agree that most if not all those guys needed to be moved on. Stuart handled it poorly but sport is brutal and cut throat. I think the players and the media acted like huge babies over the projector personally but whatever. He didn't bust it out at Canberra and we were just as shit.

Stuart hasn't actually proven anything besides it's possible to sign players at Canberra. Which is a huge deal for fans mind. It's given us hope even if nothing's been proven on the field.
 

Pete Cash

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Also I had a little jab earlier at Lima. I was massively wrong there so far. He's been about our best player lol.
 

Edwahu

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I wish they would wait until we actually did something substantial before blowing smoke up our arses.
 

Incorrect

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I think what he did at parra felt right...in theory. He approached the problem a bit silly but he was trying to just rip the bandaid off.

I think parra fans agree that most if not all those guys needed to be moved on. Stuart handled it poorly but sport is brutal and cut throat. I think the players and the media acted like huge babies over the projector personally but whatever. He didn't bust it out at Canberra and we were just as shit.

Stuart hasn't actually proven anything besides it's possible to sign players at Canberra. Which is a huge deal for fans mind. It's given us hope even if nothing's been proven on the field.

Parra fan here, and I agree with the part about moving all those guys on. It has proved a particularly sound decision when you look at where those dirty dozen are now, none are featuring on the highlights reels of any comp they are running around in now...

As for the players carrying on like babies when projector-gate happened, I think they were entitled to feel aggrieved, IF it happened how it was reported to have happened. Do we know for sure that they were not briefed individually before the projector incident in front of their peers that they would not be re-signed. In any case, it must have been highly embarrassing to have their names paraded in front of the others saying they were not needed the following year. A better approach would have just been for Stuart to say that he was still finalising his squad for 2014 and there were a dozen or so spots left to fill... who knows, even if he had no intention of keeping them, it may have spurred some of them on to better performances in teh back half of 2013 if they thought they had a point to prove to secure a contract... but that's probably being a bit simplistic as player managers would have been asking what the coaches plans were for 2014 and if player X was in Stuart's plans...

I'm not happy he has managed to convince Jnr Paulo to move to Canberra :x
 

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