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Opinion Is Ricky Stuart the most overrated coach ever?

jaseg

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:lol: Yeah you wont believe how f**king concerned i am by Stuart signing the best halfback the club has had since he was playing.

Err... what? Sezer isn't the messiah mate.

Todd Carney was better.. and Sam Williams historically lays on more try assists per game than Sezer does (Sezer sits around .58 per game career total, .72 last year - Williams was .97 total and 1.19 last year - they are the same age, Williams actually a tiny bit less experienced). And you seem to have missed/ignored the Stuart = halfback cancer point. Anyway, attack in general (and certainly the halves) wasn't the problem for the Raiders last year. Messing around with something that wasn't a problem can end badly...

Best halfback since Stuart... now that's :lol::lol: (on more than one level, tbh)
 

nick87

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If you honestly think Sam Williams is a better footballer than Aiden Sezer then best of luck to you.
 

jaseg

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If you honestly think Sam Williams is a better footballer than Aiden Sezer then best of luck to you.

Actually I think they're roughly even - mainly saying that Sezer isn't clearly an upgrade.. the guy doesn't have some amazing pedigree, he's lead the Titans to precisely 0 finals series (they had passable rosters for some of that time, too) and his numbers are average. Williams is better is some areas (laying on tries most of all), Sezer in others. Regardless, Stuart is messing with something that worked very well last year. He needed another (genuinely good, particularly in terms of defense) centre and probably also a middle forward, and came away with an extra half instead. Paid a fair whack for it, too.
 

nick87

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Yeah I'm not going to concern myself the the opinions of a guy who thinks Aiden Sezer and Sam Williams are about even as a player
You should try watching football every once in a while
 

jaseg

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You should try watching football every once in a while

Coming from the guy who said this

Sezer's an above average FG halfback

The way I read that you're saying he's in the top 8 (that's really stretching above average into the semantics region, but why not...) expected starting halfbacks next year. Enlighten me please as to which of the following Sezer is better than:

Thurston
Johnson
Cronk
Hunt
Cherry-Evans
Foran
Marshall
Pearce

Being generous (as in; saying every halfback not on this list is worse than Sezer), I'd still be putting him right below that middle line. You're over rating him. By a fair bit. He's decent, not brilliant - and Williams was decent last year too, he certainly wasn't one of the bottom 3 halfbacks last year - you're simply delusional (or don't watch enough of other teams) if you seriously think that. Raiders went 8-8 with him, 2-6 without.
 

nick87

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Hasn't marshall been playing halfback for the Dragons?

He's been wearing number 7 but his role is a bit of a hybrid, he's still playing mostly like a running 5/8th with Widdop doing a lot of the traditional halfback duties
Same as Sezer, he wore #6 for the Titooons but his role in the team was very much that of a traditional halfback
 

jaseg

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Foran and Marshall are 5/8th's
Not halfbacks

You need to watch more Dragons... Marshall is definitely a halfback now. Significantly different player. Foran is playing halfback next year (and paired with Corey Norman, so yes, he's definitely playing halfback). If you were going to pick a guy out of that list that made logical sense to say 'not a halfback' it would have been maybe Johnson, but even him... definitely a halfback.

If you're going to nitpick at that level though.. Adam Reynolds & Trent Hodkinson are both almost certainly better halfbacks than Aidan Sezer - and if you're adamant on Benji not being a halfback then I suppose Widdop will have to do :). Still got (more than) 8 - and he's still average.

:lol:
 

Pete Cash

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Williams was murdering us last year by kicking the ball dead in goal. If sezer can manage not to give away 7 tackle sets that would be great.

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So that would help the defence right there.
 

nick87

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You need to watch more Dragons... Marshall is definitely a halfback now. Significantly different player. Foran is playing halfback next year (and paired with Corey Norman, so yes, he's definitely playing halfback). If you were going to pick a guy out of that list that made logical sense to say 'not a halfback' it would have been maybe Johnson, but even him... definitely a halfback.

If you're going to nitpick at that level though.. Adam Reynolds & Trent Hodkinson are both almost certainly better halfbacks than Aidan Sezer - and if you're adamant on Benji not being a halfback then I suppose Widdop will have to do :). Still got (more than) 8 - and he's still average.

:lol:

Adam Reynolds? Yep, no problems with that, Reynolds is a very good footballer.
But Ill take my chances with Aiden Sezer over Trent Hodkinson. I also think if you put Aiden Sezer in a team that Mitchell Pearce has he'd look every bit as good as him. If you want to chuck in Widdop for the dragons, that's fine, i like Widdop as a player, he's a good 5/8th, Sezer is a better halfback though

Cronk is 32 years and so is JT, Sezer is 24... for next year no doubting Cooper Cronk and JT are absolute super stars but this raiders isnt being built for next year. In 24 months time 2 of the guys listed wont be playing NRL footy anymore. Foran isnt a halfback, if Parra want to play him there, best of luck to them. He, much like Marshall have always excelled when they were not worried about anything but playing their natural game.

Here's what you're missing about what this does for the Raiders.
The Raiders struggled last year because they are a bad defensive team, a few reasons why we were a bad defensive team:

1. We had a terrible long kicking game. Often our halves were kicking the ball down the throats of the back 3 and handing our opposition possession starting from their 30 metre line. Sezer has a very good long kicking game. Far better than Sam Williams

2. We had a terrible short kicking game. We must have lead the league in 7 tackle sets conceded. Because neither Austin or Williams have any touch kicking short. Aiden Sezer lead the league in forced goal line drop outs per game. And it was f**king daylight to second place (in fact i think he topped the league in forced drop outs this year despite only playing about 16 games)

3. Sam Williams is a terrible defender in the line and we had to protect him in the line by playing quite condensed because he couldnt be trusted to make 1 on 1 tackles. Sezer isnt Andrew Johns defensively but he's not a total liability the way Williams was.


Those three factors alone. Better long kicking game will improve our field position, b etter short kicking game will improve our possession. That alone will mean our defense, which is terrible is less exposed on its goal line. Then you have our weakest defender being upgraded.

Add to that, Blake Austin played his best footy when Sam Williams played well. Which is to say Blake Austin needs a halfback to be Blake Austin. Sam Williams has proven now he cant not consistantly deliver at the NRL level. Aiden Sezer has proven himself over the last 2 years to be a very capable and consistant half who can handle the responsibility of organising an NRL team

There isnt a single thing Sam Williams does better than Aiden Sezer as an NRL half. Sezer's a better long kicker, short kicker, runner, ball player and a better defender.

Sorry mate but you simply cant have watched much of either Sam Williams or Aiden Sezer if you're seriously going to sit there and try and tell us they are the same level player.
 
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