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Is Sonny Bill bigger than the game ?

Micistm

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nobody, really.

Is mici and beavers over in England ? I would have thought they would have been just oozing congrats for the great man...;-)

:lol:Im pretending I'm not here...

To be fair, he's played well this year. I thought he might struggle getting back into the hard impact of RL but he slotted back in, played well and gotta give him credit for that.

Best player though....? Hmm....
 

Stalefish

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i thort sam burgess should have got it but hes been suspended for a variety of things this year. second in line? yea id sonnys stood out next. been pretty impressed with sbw this world cup afta how it all started regarding tohu etc hes droppd th glamour tag wen its boiled down to it and crying afta th england game was enuf to prove his dedication to th cause and th team. running ova th dead ball line mite have been enuf to even show himself tht he aint bigger than th game..
 

Izz

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i thort sam burgess should have got it but hes been suspended for a variety of things this year. second in line?
Maybe if Sammy hadn't gone around being a total grub for half the season he might've been up for it. And while he was a monster, i don't think he produced all that many game-changing moments.

Inglis another worthy candidate, imo. Both of them hampered by not winning the comp.

I can't think of anyone in the NRL who was as consistent as SBW week in week out, with as many game-changing touches. The weeks he wasn't providing stuff for the highlight reel he was doing the hard yards and working his butt off on D. Even stepped up to five-eighth for a game or two.

Worthy winner, imo.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Glad I came to LU though, otherwise I wouldn't have found out that SBW actually had a bad game. Always pick up useful info here.
 

Rich102

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Sonny Bill Williams' award makes a mockery of league

These are a couple of points to emerge from the horribly lopsided World Cup final in Manchester yesterday where the Kiwis were embarrassed 34-2 by the Kangaroos.

The result and the associated performances of the individuals and teams made a mockery of the international awards that were handed out three days before the final.

How could Williams be judged the world's top player when he failed to match his game against the world's best team, chock-full of players that are arguably better than him?

How could someone who initially didn't even want to play in the World Cup gain that ultimate accolade?

Williams' efforts in helping the Sydney Roosters to the NRL title on his return to league from rugby were truly impressive.

But he was hardly the star of the World Cup, even as New Zealand steamrolled questionable opponents on the way to the finals.

And when they got to the business end of the tournament he was overshadowed. England prop Sam Burgess was the best player of the semi-final - bar the last 30 seconds where Kiwis playmaker Shaun Johnson literally stole the show.

And you could nominate any number of Kangaroos players who outperformed Williams in a final that was horribly one-sided.

The last play of the nightmare finale for New Zealand ended with Williams coughing up a knock-on - hardly the stuff of a champion player in a defending-champion team.

Australia had so many classy players who played consistently throughout the year and the tournament, that had better claims to the top gong than Williams.

Try Johnathan Thurston or Cameron Smith for a couple of conductors who orchestrate an attack that is unparalleled in the game and throws up other candidates like Billy Slater, Cooper Cronk or try-machine Brett Morris.

The World Cup, desperate for credibility in a sport lacking any depth below Australia, New Zealand and England, seemed to bend over backwards to accommodate Williams.

But to dish out a gong like that so early was simply wrong.

The award should have been made after the final when proper perspective could have been brought to bear on the candidates.

And then there's Sheens, the canny coach who has the Kangaroos operating with the sort of dominance and precision normally associated with the world's best rugby union team, the All Blacks.

He oversaw a total performance yesterday, one which wiped out the shock loss to New Zealand in the final in 2008 with staggering ease.

Sheens got his big men to stand up to the much-heralded Kiwi pack. Once that was quickly achieved, the result was never in doubt because the Kangaroos attacking armoury out wide is in a class of its own.

Sheens' name was bandied about when the Warriors were waving an open chequebook around, hunting for a new coach a little over a year ago.

Having parted ways with the Wests Tigers where he landed the 2005 title on top of three championships with the Canberra Raiders, Sheens stood out as a class above anyone else who was available.

The Warriors should have done more to twist his arm to cross the Tasman.

Matt Elliot, their eventual choice, failed to deliver in his first year in charge with the Warriors' absence from the play-offs hugely disappointing.

Elliot will be granted breathing space for that as he settled in his methods, but there will be no such grace next year.

Apart from the glamour signing of Sam Tomkins, it's hard to see where the Warriors are going to make up ground with the sort of consistency that has become a hallmark of Sheens' teams at club and international level.

The Warriors, like the Kiwis, have a history of flattering to deceive. They are capable of brilliance, but it's often restricted to flashes rather than fluency.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...y-of-league-20131202-2ykqc.html#ixzz2mHXAUZuI
 
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LeagueNut

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That article is a steaming pile of crap. OK it wasn't SBW's finest game but at least he was one of the few that looked like he was consistently trying to spark something and tidying up after others.

Going on to say that the Warriors should have paid more to get Tim Sheens as their coach is insanity. Ask anyone at the Cowboys or the Tigers what they think of his record.

Whoever wrote this seems to have something against Kiwis - how else could you bag SBW and the Warriors in the same article??
 

vvvrulz

Coach
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Maybe not player of the year but he's at least top three.
And as LU pointed out he was one of the few to turn up on the day to give it a decent shot.

Our biggest problem by far was Johnson.
 

Tone83

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I don't mind giving him player of the year, but people who think it literally means he's the best player in the world are completely geniused.

Still credit where it's due, SBW came back to league under a lot of pressure, had a good year and was arguably the most valuable player on the team that won the premiership. Ofcourse he's a fair choice for the award, maybe the best choice even. But he's not the best player in the world, or the NRL.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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There was only one forward on the field doing more than his share of hit-ups and tackles and also trying to play in the halves to boot because his halves weren't doing their job.

Apart from that article the only place I've heard SBW's performance criticised is the weird world of leagueunlimited. Everyone else with their head screwed on could see him trying desperately to make something happen for an outgunned side.
 

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