Is the comp less even now than it was before?

[Angry_eel]

I think the competition is just creating a bigger division between the well run clubs and the poorly run clubs.

I think the whole "not having enough talent" is garbage.

In my professional life I don't sit around each day whinging about the lack of talent...

It is the clubs job to work with what they have in terms of recruitment and production of talent with the best systems in place to give them the best possible chance of being successful.

It is not a coincidence the clubs with the best front office's, resources, culture and systems are the ones maintaining heightened levels of success for longer periods of time.

Agree with this. I would say the last not so well run club to win was Manly in the late 00s and early 10s.

A club with a good front office is generally also a club with a good team. Souths, Parra, Melbourne, Roosters are all well run clubs.

Having said this, if there are consistently 5 good teams, winning a comp will make it so hard. You need an ace up your sleeve which no one has seen yet to win the comp.

 

[Parra]

The salary cap was not created to even out the comp. The cap was to protect clubs from overspending on going broke. It was meant to work alongside a draft. The combination would work to spread talent, give clubs at the bottom of the ladder first crack at the young guns.

The cap is just as significant in terms of being a constraint on players as a draft. I don't recall a challenge on the cap though. As long as we remain tolerant of the odd star going to rugby or the veterans who finish their careers overseas the cap stays. I have not liked seeing so many players have to leave to finish their careers in England. They don't seem to mind, so good luck to them.

I don't think an even comp is desirable or achievable.

 

[Gary Gutful]

The salary cap was not created to even out the comp. The cap was to protect clubs from overspending on going broke. It was meant to work alongside a draft. The combination would work to spread talent, give clubs at the bottom of the ladder first crack at the young guns.

The cap is just as significant in terms of being a constraint on players as a draft. I don't recall a challenge on the cap though. As long as we remain tolerant of the odd star going to rugby or the veterans who finish their careers overseas the cap stays. I have not liked seeing so many players have to leave to finish their careers in England. They don't seem to mind, so good luck to them.

I don't think an even comp is desirable or achievable.

Thats not what the NRL said at the time.

 

[Chipmunk]

The F/A for the Top 5 at the moment is absurd. The team with the worst F/A in the Top 5 (Souths with 97) is 85 points ahead of the next best team who is running 6th (Dragons with 12). To make it an even more extreme stat, after almost 1/3rd of the season the team with the 5th best F/A has a F/A more than 7 times better than the 6th best team!

Now, it is difficult to do this for only a partial season, as you need a full season draw for everyone to play the good and weak teams in a roughly even amount, but it does show that those five sides are just so far ahead of the rest after the first seven weeks.

I think the Raiders will eventually sort their season out and make the Top 6, but not sure their F/A is going to be that close to the Top 5 teams. They seem to have a significant issue in second halves. They've scored only 4 second-half tries in the last 6 matches!

 

[Gary Gutful]

good point .... do the 90s ... and the 00s

Here you go merkin.

 

[Gary Gutful]

To make it an even more extreme stat, after almost 1/3rd of the season the team with the 5th best F/A has a F/A more than 7 times better than the 6th best team!

A team could have F&A of 1 and another of 8. Thats 8 times the amount, but otherwise a converted try and a field goal.

 

[Noise]

There are 16 teams in 2021. That is pretty even. In 1986 there were 13 teams. That is not even. In 1981-1983 there were 12 and 14 teams in the competition. That is even. So to answer your question it is somewhat more even. I don't know why you need complex tables and equations to work this out FFS.
#Analysis

 

[Chipmunk]

A team could have F&A of 1 and another of 8. Thats 8 times the amount, but otherwise a converted try and a field goal.

True, but is your F/A ratio for the Top 5 still likely to be 2.27 and the difference 1.72 come seasons end?

You can manipulate any stat to emphasise a point.

 

[Chipmunk]

Here you go merkin.

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This is an interesting stat. There is an extreme difference between the pre Super League (prior to 1996) and post Super League era.

I'd like to also see 2010-2016

 

[Gary Gutful]

True, but is your F/A ratio for the Top 5 still likely to be 2.27 and the difference 1.72 come seasons end?

You can manipulate any stat to emphasise a point.

I like my stat better than yours.

 

[Gary Gutful]

There are 16 teams in 2021. That is pretty even. In 1986 there were 13 teams. That is not even. In 1981-1983 there were 12 and 14 teams in the competition. That is even. So to answer your question it is somewhat more even. I don't know why you need complex tables and equations to work this out FFS.
#Analysis

Stephen "Noise" Hawking.

 

[Gary Gutful]

This is an interesting stat. There is an extreme difference between the pre Super League (prior to 1996) and post Super League era.

I'd like to also see 2010-2016

Its coming.

 

[Chipmunk]

There are 16 teams in 2021. That is pretty even.

Only pretty even?

 

[TheParraboy]

Gary Middleton..

 

[Chipmunk]

Its coming.

It's about time you provided something productive to this forum.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

A team could have F&A of 1 and another of 8. Thats 8 times the amount, but otherwise a converted try and a field goal.

Yep, the plus 85 says more than the times 7 in this case. The top five teams are streets ahead of everyone else so far this year.

 

[84 Baby]

This is an interesting stat. There is an extreme difference between the pre Super League (prior to 1996) and post Super League era.

I'd like to also see 2010-2016

I think when it comes to players being paid outside the cap, the mid to late 90s was where it was most rampant. So while changes were afoot regarding not only salary cap but also player willingness to move clubs/states, cap policing hadn’t caught up

 

[Gary Gutful]

 

[Gary Gutful]

 

[Gary Gutful]