Mario said:daslacker said:I'm not complaining mate,I've been wait for
this game for ages and like everyone here
can't wait to get it.But I'll be p!ssed
off if u currently support support a
inferior team you suffer in gaming exp.
Hmmmmm, then turn the difficulty down...
Mario said:Okay. There are a couple of things to consider here.
1. Stats for individual players have been taken from real life statistics based on the players performance over the season.
This is fair enough and understandable
2. Stats for teams are based on the real life statistics based on the teams performance over the season.
Based on what statistics? The idea of buying better players is to lift the chances of the team. If Johns was playing at Souths in 2003 there are no statistics to show either way whether he would have played worse or better. Fletcher, in my opinion, has played better football at Souths and was rewarded a test selection. If this game were based on 2002 stats Fletcher would have automatically played worse by mere fact that he was included in the Souths team coming from the Roosters. Considering the individual players stats are what make a team placing A.Johns in Souths should overall lift the team performances. Since this simulation cannot possibly cover all real life factors lets not use this game to simulate RL but to play out fans fantasies...this is what gaming is all about. 18 years of video gaming says I'm right...otherwise fantasy role playing games wouldn;t be THE most popular genre in gaming history.
The fact of the matter is we want the performance of individual players and teams in the game to be reflective of the current abilities of the individuals and teams in real life. Gamers expect this to be the case. The alternative would be to have every player the same and every team the same - not really an option I'm sure you will agree.
I disagree on many fronts here but we'll just talk about alternatives. The better alternative in my opinion would be to have player stats based on real life stats but team stats to all be even or neutral. After all Souths have 20 titles to their name I guess that counts for naught (like in RL) While one could argue that A.Johns would play worse at Souths the reality is Says Who???? Based on what? So you do have an option and no I don;t agree entirely
Unfortunately, as Souths are currently not performing well, this means that they are ranked towards the bottom in the game also.
As Souths should be but since the game doesn't include real life player transfer market and the season is stuck in a 2003 revolving door the club penalties are well.... useless and pointless. I'm sure as a marketing tool for the NRL and the respective clubs this would have been a fairer alternative.
With regard to the team rankings and the Andrew Johns example, this is also reflective of real life. The team ratings are representative of the quality of training and the ability for the team to 'gel' on the field - in other words they quantify teamwork.
With all do respect...there ar no stats to indicate this with the A.Johns example...since I have already given a counter claim with Bryan Fletcher. For all we know Johns may have become NRL top scorer for the season with Souths and we could have won the comp. Unlikely, but you get what I mean. Team stats are subjective...player stats aren't.
Top ranked teams have a high level of teamwork. Bottom ranked teams don't. If you add Andrew Johns to a team which can't consistently work together then his abilities as an individual player are hampered. What good is it if you are the best offloader in the league if nobody is in support? What good is it being the best attacking kicker when nobody chases down your carefully placed grubber?
I can;t argue there if this were a discussion based on real life NRL but Johns may have inspired more support, may have inspired better gelling etc etc. I ask you then...how are Brisbane ranked in this game if it's based on 2003 season then it must be pertty mediocre but they have pretty high standard of teamwork.
It is therefore wholly appropriate that placing a top ranked player into a bottom ranked team has a negative influence on that players ability to perform.
but should have a better infulence of team performance...I hope this is the case still
At the end of the day, Clevo, consider this: You support a bottom ranked team. In the end, the odds are stacked against you to try and win a premiership on the higher difficulty levels. How satisfying will it be when you prevail, against the odds, and the carry the Rabbitohs through to an NRL Premiership win?
Based on what statistics? The idea of buying better players is to lift the chances of the team. If Johns was playing at Souths in 2003 there are no statistics to show either way whether he would have played worse or better.
crazy john said:Ok just a question which should help clear this up a little.
Say if I were to copy the ENTIRE Broncos team into Souths, and delete all the Souths players, would the team stats be the same as if they were playing for the Broncos?
Mario said:I think you Souths guys are missing the point and not facing the reality of the situation.
The reality of the situation is you cannot compare real life to a computer game and neither can you ever come close to simulating the factors that go towards a footy team....to include some factors and exclude others is..... (insert word here)
By putting Andrew Johns into Souths, the team overall will perform better.
I should hope so
His individual stats (and then only some of them) are only slightly negatively affected which reflects (as I said earlier) the quality of the coaching and teamwork. Overall, the effect of adding Andrew Johns to Souths would be positive.
good
The decisions to make these sorts of stats adjustments were made based on discussions between ourselves, HES, the NRL, and NRL Stats. They are entirely based on logic and a detailed undertsanding of player and team performance by people with in depth knowledge of the sport and the league.
Well.... to be frank it's still a subjective opinion based stats for the teams and we all know what the NRL think of Souths
Considering one of the NRL Stats guys told me who was going to be in the grand final in June and he was right, I'm inclined to trust their thoughts on these matters.
Only one of them got it right? How many people did you discuss stats with?
Souths are at the bottom in the game like they are in real life. If you don't like it - edit the teams or the players!
then it wouldn't be Souths. This line proves to me you have missed to point of my argument entirely. Tell me on what stats that would prove A johns would have had a worse season in Souths....tell me on what stats Bryan Fletcher played better in the Aust team than in Souths...tell me what stats did Chris Walker play better in the grand final than he did in Souths??? Mario...sorry but your source of team stats is baloney...tell me what team stats would have predicted that Chris Anderson would have had such a hard time with Cronulla??? Nah it's pretty obvious to me that Club Stats should be removed from a game of this type....let the player stats and real life player skill determin the outcome of the game not some objective non-exsistent statistics that cripple a player due to the team. Mario...tell me one other thing....this game is also available in NZ....Would A.johns play like God in the NZ version of the game if he was played in the Warrior team?
theVodkaCircle said:OK, heres the drill.
Players have stats
Teams have stats.
If you dont like them the way they are....
CHANGE THEM !
If you support a lower ranked team, crank up the team stats a little.
THATS why it is customisable, to give everyone what they want via being able to change things if you dont like them.
Sheeesh