Is Tim Paine most uninspiring captain Ever??

[dragonssamy61]

Not one of the 3 should ever be allowed back , let alone wear the baggy green cap again. They have shat all over the bluudy thing and with it the good name of each and every Australian cricketer before them .

The only allowance that I would make in allowing them to play for our country once again, Is that they donate their earnings to charity, every dollar.

Gareth
Weather its right or wrong.
Smith will be back but from what I have been told never to capt again.
Bancroft will make if ge good enough.
As for warner he been maked never to play test matches again.
He may make the OD and t20 team but not the test team.
Due to him having been the mastermind(and I use that term loosely) behind sandpaper gate.

 

[Crush]

Gareth
Weather its right or wrong.
Smith will be back but from what I have been told never to capt again.
Bancroft will make if ge good enough.
As for warner he been maked never to play test matches again.
He may make the OD and t20 team but not the test team.
Due to him having been the mastermind(and I use that term loosely) behind sandpaper gate.

See I don't agree with that. He has admitted guilt for his part in the crime and has been punished accordingly with a hefty ban. Why not select Warner for the test team if his form warrants selection.
Sometimes I think the test team selects more on personality than skill. Mitch Marsh is an example of that.

 

[Drag Queen]

Gareth
Weather its right or wrong.
Smith will be back but from what I have been told never to capt again.
Bancroft will make if ge good enough.
As for warner he been maked never to play test matches again.
He may make the OD and t20 team but not the test team.
Due to him having been the mastermind(and I use that term loosely) behind sandpaper gate.

Saw him in an interview the other day and he stated he had no desire to captain the team again Samy.

 

[Drag Queen]

See I don't agree with that. He has admitted guilt for his part in the crime and has been punished accordingly with a hefty ban. Why not select Warner for the test team if his form warrants selection.
Sometimes I think the test team selects more on personality than skill. Mitch Marsh is an example of that.

You need to watch the Bancroft interview Crush. He actually threw Warner under the bus. I can't see him coming back after that, but you never know.

 

[Crush]

You need to watch the Bancroft interview Crush. He actually threw Warner under the bus. I can't see him coming back after that, but you never know.

Yes but even if it was 100% Warner's idea, he took advantage of Bancroft and Smith knew little about it does that change anything? He was given 12 month ban. Are you suggesting it should have been a life ban if he was more to blame than the others?

Warner has been found guilty of comspiring to ball tamper and given a long ban. Thats that. Finished. Now he should be allowed to come back if form is good enough.

 

[Drag Queen]

Yes but even if it was 100% Warner's idea, he took advantage of Bancroft and Smith knew little about it does that change anything? He was given 12 month ban. Are you suggesting it should have been a life ban if he was more to blame than the others?

Warner has been found guilty of comspiring to ball tamper and given a long ban. Thats that. Finished. Now he should be allowed to come back if form is good enough.

Not at all Crush. I was suggesting it may be a bit harder for him given the latest round of interviews. But according to ouryears 87% of Oz want Warner back. Not sure where he pulled that number from. Either way, I have been enjoying the cricket despite our mediocre batting.

 

[BLM01]

Not at all Crush. I was suggesting it may be a bit harder for him given the latest round of interviews. But according to ouryears 87% of Oz want Warner back. Not sure where he pulled that number from. Either way, I have been enjoying the cricket despite our mediocre batting.

87%...the Aussies unlucky % number

 

[Dragonslayer]

A couple of points to make here.

1. Aust cricket has been in a state of flux for many years, it hasnt recovered from the retirements of Hayden, Gilchrist, Waugh and McGrath.
2. The introduction of the IPL, has seriously mis-aligned the importance of country v money. The focus is on entertainment rather than skill. Batsmen who would rather bash a ball than learn to stroke play. Playing a ball on its merits has become almost obsolete.
3. Following on from point 2, if you notice we had day 4 of the test match yesterday, immediately followed by a Big-Bash game. Priorities?
4. We shouldn't underestimate the Indian bowling. We consider our batsmen played stupid shots to get out (refer point 2), rather than the proficiency of the Indian bowling.
5. Following on from point 4. Calls for Smith, Warner etc, is imagining that by some magic, we would better. There is no guarantee in any of this. We were strugglingcas a test bation before the infamous sandpaper incident.
6. As for Warner, he will never play test matches again. Even if his form warrants selection, he brought Aust cricket and the game into disrepute. To compare the psyche of Aust with other country's is again not understanding of our position in world cricket. Just the factcthat Warner would be jeered relentlessly would essentialkt play havoc with his mental strength, and a batsnans strength is his mental toughness.
7. The continous selection of a "Marsh" or 2 remains a mystery. Hopefully now that will he put to bed. There are some very good youngsters coming through, time to give them opportunity.

I could go on, but more importantly, Paine is the current Australian captain, rather than criticise his appointment, why not give him our support? Im sure it would do wonders for his psyche rather than reading about how he is so crap. Simple really.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

You need to watch the Bancroft interview Crush. He actually threw Warner under the bus. I can't see him coming back after that, but you never know.

Did he really though?

I thought Bancroft only reaffirmed that Warner was the instigator.

Old news.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

A couple of points to make here.

1. Aust cricket has been in a state of flux for many years, it hasnt recovered from the retirements of Hayden, Gilchrist, Waugh and McGrath.
2. The introduction of the IPL, has seriously mis-aligned the importance of country v money. The focus is on entertainment rather than skill. Batsmen who would rather bash a ball than learn to stroke play. Playing a ball on its merits has become almost obsolete.
3. Following on from point 2, if you notice we had day 4 of the test match yesterday, immediately followed by a Big-Bash game. Priorities?
4. We shouldn't underestimate the Indian bowling. We consider our batsmen played stupid shots to get out (refer point 2), rather than the proficiency of the Indian bowling.
5. Following on from point 4. Calls for Smith, Warner etc, is imagining that by some magic, we would better. There is no guarantee in any of this. We were strugglingcas a test bation before the infamous sandpaper incident.
6. As for Warner, he will never play test matches again. Even if his form warrants selection, he brought Aust cricket and the game into disrepute. To compare the psyche of Aust with other country's is again not understanding of our position in world cricket. Just the factcthat Warner would be jeered relentlessly would essentialkt play havoc with his mental strength, and a batsnans strength is his mental toughness.
7. The continous selection of a "Marsh" or 2 remains a mystery. Hopefully now that will he put to bed. There are some very good youngsters coming through, time to give them opportunity.

I could go on, but more importantly, Paine is the current Australian captain, rather than criticise his appointment, why not give him our support? Im sure it would do wonders for his psyche rather than reading about how he is so crap. Simple really.

Highlighting the Marshes is getting quite tiresome. There are other batsmen in the team who are every bit culpable. In fact, Shaun Marsh has been (most likely) Australia’s highest run scorer for the series.

Please advise which batsman hasn’t been out executing a poor shot? Fair enough, the Indian bowling has been good but the Aussie top six has surrendered meekly far too often.

 

[dragonssamy61]

To me it's Mitch Marsh and Finch who would have to be changed long before S Marsh.
But agree every batsman has throwen there wickets away.
But Indian bowling attack is the best in the world.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

To me it's Mitch Marsh and Finch who would have to be changed long before S Marsh.
But agree every batsman has throwen there wickets away.
But Indian bowling attack is the best in the world.

Personally, I believe a line up of Steyn, Kagiso and Ngidi more than match the Indian fast bowling line up.

The spinning sticks are in India’s favour though.

 

[Gareth67]

I certainly did not mean to open another can of worms about the 3 gentlemen (?) . However each of us have an opinion about their sentences for what they did , each of us also have our own set of values.

For mine , I just find it hard to believe that because they have served their suspensions they may be allowed back into the Australian team once again . It is almost akin to saying that as the penalty has been paid , they are no longer cheats , I can’t accept that logic .

 

[Gareth67]

Nahhh, can’t agree
A bit of ball tampering?
Crime level......2/10
Thankfully they will be back in soon
And Smith will be captain within the first 12 months
Though I wouldn’t mind if Cummins was made Capt

I would say the storm should never have been allowed back in for systematically cheating over many years, resulting in other deserving teams not to win
And ban the bulldog grubs forever for cheating the cap a few years back
These are the sporting crimes that cost other teams premierships

What Smith and Davey Warner did was nothing in comparison, nothing
Thankfully 87% of the sporting public agree

Matey , you simply cannot compare one form of cheating to another and say on the Cheater-Scale , it is only 2out of 10 . Ball tampering with a big dirty piece of yellow tape is ball tampering. They never even had enough common sense to use RED tape for pity sake , morons .

 

[Crush]

Highlighting the Marsh’s is getting quite tiresome. There are other batsmen in the team who are every bit culpable. In fact, Shaun Marsh has been (most likely) Australia’s highest run scorer for the series.

Please advise which batsman hasn’t been out executing a poor shot? Fair enough, the Indian bowling has been good but the Aussie top six has surrendered meekly far too often.

Travis Head has scored 217 runs
Shaun Marsh 175
Tim Paine 169
Khawaja 167
Embarrassing isn't it.
Cummins on 138 runs the 5th best.

 

[gordsy]

Let them back if they are good enough to make the side. Stuff what the critics say. Plenty of other people have been caught for tampering with the ball. One clown even bit the ball and he got no where near as long.
A year is outrageous!! Why do we insist on showing everyone how rule following and noble we are.
It's all about money and winning so f$%k the critics and the do gooders.
It's not like our culture is better since they left and our results are even worse.
Other crickets have taken money for *pitch results*, used banned substances, gotten into pub brawls and all the rest but if you scuff up the ball with sand paper then you should be burned at the stake. Spare me.

 

[Como Connection]

Yes but even if it was 100% Warner's idea, he took advantage of Bancroft and Smith knew little about it does that change anything? He was given 12 month ban. Are you suggesting it should have been a life ban if he was more to blame than the others?

Warner has been found guilty of comspiring to ball tamper and given a long ban. Thats that. Finished. Now he should be allowed to come back if form is good enough.

No never to play test cricket again.
Whenever he scored a 100 at the SCG I refused to clap him.
That's the opinion I have of Warner.
CC

 

[Como Connection]

To me it's Mitch Marsh and Finch who would have to be changed long before S Marsh.
But agree every batsman has throwen there wickets away.
But Indian bowling attack is the best in the world.

Samy are you attending the test match at all?
CC

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Travis Head has scored 217 runs
Shaun Marsh 175
Tim Paine 169
Khawaja 167
Embarrassing isn't it.
Cummins on 138 runs the 5th best.

Second...close enough.

I’m surprised Head’s no. 1 as his lack of footwork (particularly on a front press) is excruciatingly poor.

 

[Crush]

No never to play test cricket again.
Whenever he scored a 100 at the SCG I refused to clap him.
That's the opinion I have of Warner.
CC

Fair enough. I'll cheer him on once he has served his 12 month ban just as I did prior. Would I want to have a beer with him? Probably not.