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  • Dragons coach Anthony Griffin says Jack de Belin will return for Red V ’as quick as he can’
    The NRL will not allow Jack de Belin to play for the Dragons or any other club until he is found not guilty of all sexual assault allegations, or the charges against him are dropped.

    Mark St John
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    May 11, 20219:07pm
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    Jack de Belin leaves court.Source:Matrix

    The NRL will not allow Jack de Belin to play for the Dragons or any other club until he is found not guilty of all sexual assault allegations, or the charges against him are dropped.

    But St George Illawarra coach Anthony Griffin has revealed the lock will be considered for selection if the Director of Public Prosecution declines to pursue a third trial.

    A jury of eight men and four women on Monday found de Belin not guilty of one charge, relating to one sexual act allegedly performed by de Belin.

    The jury were unable to reach a unanimous or majority verdict on the remaining five charges, which related to other sexual acts allegedly performed.

    Jack de Belin cleared on one count of sexual assault
    NRL: Jack de Belin has been found not guilty on one count of sexual assault but the jury was dismissed after failing…
    The jury was discharged after the conclusion of the second trial de Belin and his co-accused Callan Sinclair faced on the charges, after last year’s trial ended in a hung jury.

    But De Belin has to wait until May 28 to learn if he will face a third trial.

    NRL CEO Andrew Abdo confirmed de Belin will be free to play and coach Griffin said the 30-year-old lock will come into calculations for his side.

    “We’ve put him through, probably the last eight weeks, the toughest training he’s done,” Griffin told 2GB.

    “It was basically his own pre-season before the court case started, with the NRL staff, he did that privately.

    “He’s fit enough. Obviously, he hasn’t played in two and a half years. We just wait, it’s still a legal matter.

    “If that gets resolved in his favour, we’ll get him there as quick as he can. He’s very fit at the moment.”


    The Sydney Morning Herald on Monday revealed de Belin signed a contract extension with the Dragons in 2020, which will see him remain at the Dragons until 2024 if he is cleared of the charges.

    The Dragons have been paying de Belin a reduced wage outside the salary cap while he fights his case before the courts.

    De Belin’s salary, believed to be between $700,000 and $8000,000 a season, will only kick in if he is found not guilty, with his contract to be terminated immediately if he is found guilty.

    It represents a substantial increase on his current $595,000 a year deal.

    “The Jack de Belin court matter did not reach a verdict on five of the six charges as a result of a hung jury in Sydney District Court on Monday,” the Dragons said in a statement on Monday afternoon.

    “De Belin was however found not guilty of a sixth charge. De Belin remains subject to the NRL’s no-fault stand down policy.

    “The next steps concerning all facets of the matter are yet to be established. The Dragons will continue to provide the necessary welfare support to de Belin and his family. As this remains a legal matter, the club will make no further comment at this time.”


    The Dragons increased their contract offer to de Belin in a bid to ward off a $3 million four-year contract offer from the Warriors.

    De Belin is due back in court on May 28, when the Director of Public Prosecutions is expected to announce whether they will hold a third trial against the former Origin star.

    However the DPP potentially could request more time, which could deny de Belin the chance of playing in the NRL in 2021.

    The Dragons have been in talks with the NRL over their stance on de Belin depending on potential outcomes of the second trial.

    De Belin is currently stood down by the NRL under the controversial No-Fault Stand Down policy, which denies player’s the opportuntiy to play while they fight court charges with a potential penalty of 11 years or more in prison.

    The club believes any attempt to let de Belin play before he has been cleared of the charges or had them dropped would be unsuccessful.

    The 30-year-old who has not played in the NRL since 2018 will return to training with the Dragons, but not with the first grade squad.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/n...s/news-story/108c1319efd71a15e0dc9a66886340db
 

Slippery Morris

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Jack can easily sue the NRL as at the time of the alleged incident, the rule did not exist. How can the NRL get out of that? Apart from that the Saints continued to pay him so he lost no income. Saints can possibly sue as they should be compensated for the loss of income as they paid a guy they could not use due to again a rule that did not exist at the time of the incident. Unless when the NRL bought out the rule and advised the affected parties to sign off on a clause to backdate it to a certain date.
 

St Tangles

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Jack can easily sue the NRL as at the time of the alleged incident, the rule did not exist. How can the NRL get out of that? Apart from that the Saints continued to pay him so he lost no income. Saints can possibly sue as they should be compensated for the loss of income as they paid a guy they could not use due to again a rule that did not exist at the time of the incident. Unless when the NRL bought out the rule and advised the affected parties to sign off on a clause to backdate it to a certain date.

Doesn't the NRL grant cover each sides salary cap?

We also had the opportunity to buy another player had we applied for dispensation but we chose not to.

The only way he could sue is if the no fault stand down policy is challenged again from my understanding.
 

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The no fault stand down policy the NRL imposed probably didn't take into account it would be 30 months with still no resolution.

JDB has been impacted for sure, but at least he's been paid. Its the club that has had to wear most of the cost as we have had to keep a roster spot open, and allocated cap money to a player that can't play.

It sux that our club was the test case, but surely the policy must be looked at, as its too much for a club to have a rep player in limbo for over 2.5 years and still be expected to win footy games.
 

Slippery Morris

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Probably why the Saints did not take any money from the NRL. If they did the NRL would be sweet as they can say there was no impact to the club, plus for Saints not to, there may have been a good reason such as the NRL not to compensate them the full amount only a portion.

How can the NRL compensate Saints for future costs if there is no time set for when the case will be finished. The only way it would work is to back pay them for the time he was out but the damage is already done. Just say Saints bought a replacement for JDB and paid the guy 700k. How would Saints know how long to offer the contract? In hindsight they could of easily offered a guy a 3 year deal which is a better option than a rolling 1 year at a time contract (ask A.Reynolds).

Saints obviously thought it was less than a year at 1 stage and had him set to return against the knights hence why they were in 2 minds. The club were confident he would get off and the NRL were complete opposite. Plus, if JDB got off they would then not have enough to keep him as his money would have been spent on his replacement. The club was in a really tough situation. JDB was not a fringe player, he was one of their best. Again, a ruched decision to put this rule in without a thorough process to check all possible impacts.

The good thing about this matter, is the NRL, players and clubs are now aware as this is probably the worst case scenario, that if a player gets done the impact is pretty big and they will think twice. If they alter this rule at all then the NRL will definitely deserve to get sued by Saints and JDB. They cannot go back now.
 
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AND the upgrade to over 700k a year !!!

Probably, but I can’t shed much light on these more localised club issues other than to say I think the club and it’s people have helped him a lot. Morally, there’s a bit of an owing from him to you guys. Bj came to court, Mary let him train and other support. A pretty supportive employer and whatever happens I hope he does the right thing by the club.

I expect the decision as to continuing or not is under review by the senior officers of the nsw odpp. You can visit their website.

They are specialists and undoubtedly learned in their area.

The head honcho, he still appears in court himself so he’s got his feet on the ground in terms of practice and obviously, he has major responsibilities with staff and all manner of issues.

Whatever they do, they will have a rationale and that’s a point of exceptional interest.

I have a strong personal view ( based on my incomplete understanding) that they should discontinue, but they have a lot more information and knowledge than I have. So we will see.
 
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I think once a not guilty verdict is reached in a trial and the others are hung it makes it very difficult to go back to trial as the DPP can’t bring up anything to do with the not guilty verdict. I’m not a lawyer and stand to be corrected.
 

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The NRL on Tuesday morning confirmed that St George Illawarra forward Jack de Belin would remain on the sidelines as he awaits a decision on whether he would face court for a third time on sexual assault charges.

On that front, at least one prominent Sydney lawyer says the news may not be good for the Dragons star. The Department of Public Prosecutions told The Australian on Tuesday that no decision had been made on whether the matter would proceed to another trial but Manny Conditsis, a senior trial advocate with Conditsis Lawyers, said his gut feeling was that the DPP would go again.

That would be devastating news for de Belin, who has already spent more than two years on the sidelines after being stood down under the game’s no-fault stand-down policy.

De Belin has also been prevented from taking up a lucrative new deal with the Dragons while facing serious charges – he has been paid a reduced figure, believed to be $1000 a week, to train with the NSW Cup side during his time on the sidelines.

The court cases have already cost de Belin as much as $1 million but he may be forced to shell out more cash it his legal team fails in a bid to have the charges dismissed – de Belin and his co-accused Callan Sinclair were found not guilty on one charge but the jury was split on the remaining five.

“The National Rugby League (NRL) notes the conclusion of the NSW District Court trial involving St George Illawarra Dragons player Jack de Belin,” the NRL said in a statement.

“De Belin will remain subject to the no-fault stand down while serious criminal charges remain against him.”

That will raise alarm bells with the de Belin camp given Conditsis’ prediction that another trial is likely.

“These days they more commonly run two (trials) and that is not to say they wouldn’t run a third, and I particularly say that for these reasons,” Conditsis said.

“One, it is a hot potato matter – NRL, rugby league player. Whichever way they go it will be publicised. They may choose to err on the side of conservatism.

“Erring on the side of conservatism in this sort of scenario would be that they run a third trial. The second reason that maybe takes it out of the norm is the environment we are at in at the moment following on from the #metoo movement, the Christian Porter matter.

“I would say this DPP may be inclined to run a third (trial). An important factor as to whether they run it will be what is in the crown prosecutor’s report to the director.

“If his view is, ‘gees we came close, we really could have won this’, I think that would strongly suggest there will be a third trial. That is my gut feel.

“If this was a matter that wasn’t reported in the press and been some years ago, you would probably say two is enough. I just think the whole flavour of at it the moment, they may want to go again.”

That would mean more time on the sidelines for de Belin and more expense. It would also be a setback for the Dragons, who have badly missed their best forward and arguably best player over the past two years.

The Australian has seen a copy of the considerations that the DPP will take into account when deciding whether to run another case.

“In determining whether to discontinue a prosecution, consideration should also be given to any change in circumstances regarding the evidence and the presence of public interest factors,” the DPP guidelines state.

“Any request on behalf of the accused for the matter to be discontinued should be dealt with expeditiously.”

The DPP will consult with police and the alleged victim.

“Where two juries have been unable to agree upon a verdict, a retrial will be directed only in exceptional circumstances,” the guidelines state.

“The views of the victim and police should be taken into account in considering whether a matter should proceed to a retrial....”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/5ea56b72dd3b229d3ecae09c4b5c90b1
 

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Full article

The NRL on Tuesday morning confirmed that St George Illawarra forward Jack de Belin would remain on the sidelines as he awaits a decision on whether he would face court for a third time on sexual assault charges.

On that front, at least one prominent Sydney lawyer says the news may not be good for the Dragons star. The Department of Public Prosecutions told The Australian on Tuesday that no decision had been made on whether the matter would proceed to another trial but Manny Conditsis, a senior trial advocate with Conditsis Lawyers, said his gut feeling was that the DPP would go again.

That would be devastating news for de Belin, who has already spent more than two years on the sidelines after being stood down under the game’s no-fault stand-down policy.

De Belin has also been prevented from taking up a lucrative new deal with the Dragons while facing serious charges – he has been paid a reduced figure, believed to be $1000 a week, to train with the NSW Cup side during his time on the sidelines.

The court cases have already cost de Belin as much as $1 million but he may be forced to shell out more cash it his legal team fails in a bid to have the charges dismissed – de Belin and his co-accused Callan Sinclair were found not guilty on one charge but the jury was split on the remaining five.

“The National Rugby League (NRL) notes the conclusion of the NSW District Court trial involving St George Illawarra Dragons player Jack de Belin,” the NRL said in a statement.

“De Belin will remain subject to the no-fault stand down while serious criminal charges remain against him.”

That will raise alarm bells with the de Belin camp given Conditsis’ prediction that another trial is likely.

“These days they more commonly run two (trials) and that is not to say they wouldn’t run a third, and I particularly say that for these reasons,” Conditsis said.

“One, it is a hot potato matter – NRL, rugby league player. Whichever way they go it will be publicised. They may choose to err on the side of conservatism.

“Erring on the side of conservatism in this sort of scenario would be that they run a third trial. The second reason that maybe takes it out of the norm is the environment we are at in at the moment following on from the #metoo movement, the Christian Porter matter.

“I would say this DPP may be inclined to run a third (trial). An important factor as to whether they run it will be what is in the crown prosecutor’s report to the director.

“If his view is, ‘gees we came close, we really could have won this’, I think that would strongly suggest there will be a third trial. That is my gut feel.

“If this was a matter that wasn’t reported in the press and been some years ago, you would probably say two is enough. I just think the whole flavour of at it the moment, they may want to go again.”

That would mean more time on the sidelines for de Belin and more expense. It would also be a setback for the Dragons, who have badly missed their best forward and arguably best player over the past two years.

The Australian has seen a copy of the considerations that the DPP will take into account when deciding whether to run another case.

“In determining whether to discontinue a prosecution, consideration should also be given to any change in circumstances regarding the evidence and the presence of public interest factors,” the DPP guidelines state.

“Any request on behalf of the accused for the matter to be discontinued should be dealt with expeditiously.”

The DPP will consult with police and the alleged victim.

“Where two juries have been unable to agree upon a verdict, a retrial will be directed only in exceptional circumstances,” the guidelines state.

“The views of the victim and police should be taken into account in considering whether a matter should proceed to a retrial....”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/5ea56b72dd3b229d3ecae09c4b5c90b1
Not a good comparison but it's like when we look like we scored a try, the bunker keeps on looking at replays to find any fault and in the end the try is denied.

If this matter goes to a third trial, the time to arrange this and the ensuing dramas relative to all of the proceedings and processes etc. will most probably take it to September/October 2021 for a decision. Out of the remaining 5 charges, what if the jurors find another not guilty and then 4 were left - this will become like the 10 green bottles jingle.

We have mostly, if not all, decried JDB's involvement whether or not consensual. Why is it that as JDB is a high profile Dragons player and because it is the NRL, they are sufficient reasons to have a third trial just to rub it in or bring our game into disrepute. The NRL should have something to say about this definitely.
 

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For me, the DPP have no justification on taking this to a third trial. Especially on the back of an inkling and nothing else. That just seems like an egregious misuse of taxpayer money provided they don't have something hiding up their sleeves that they've failed to disclose until now
 

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New evidence, new witness etc...

The theory is going to trial again with the same evidence etc will only get the same outcome of a hung jury.
Surely all of the evidence has been presented and all of the witnesses have come forward? If there is any new evidence or witness, where have these been for the previous trials and will they be hashed up like the detective lying under oath? Was there a credible witness in the unit block that might have heard something that would benefit the prosecution? You would think that all of the occupants would have been asked - that is the usual due process isn't it?

For this lawyer to say that the DPP is saying that the outcome of the jurors count was very close, how the bloody hell would he know and what makes him think that another trial will make the count closer? It could have been 8-4 in all of the other 5 charges in favour of the prosecution, but if there was a third trial it could be 9-3 and still hung - useless argument.

All this is leaving us fans on tenterhooks but that is the norm for us supporters of the Dragons. It wouldn't have been so bad had JDB was able to play pending the outcome, but they are the breaks.
 

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Surely all of the evidence has been presented and all of the witnesses have come forward? If there is any new evidence or witness, where have these been for the previous trials and will they be hashed up like the detective lying under oath? Was there a credible witness in the unit block that might have heard something that would benefit the prosecution? You would think that all of the occupants would have been asked - that is the usual due process isn't it?

For this lawyer to say that the DPP is saying that the outcome of the jurors count was very close, how the bloody hell would he know and what makes him think that another trial will make the count closer? It could have been 8-4 in all of the other 5 charges in favour of the prosecution, but if there was a third trial it could be 9-3 and still hung - useless argument.

All this is leaving us fans on tenterhooks but that is the norm for us supporters of the Dragons. It wouldn't have been so bad had JDB was able to play pending the outcome, but they are the breaks.
And would the DPP know what the jury count was don't think so. Unless they ask the jurors themselves.
Oh excuse me what was the count and do you think we have a chance of conviction. Not this time maybe the next whatever at least he is paying for it.
 
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Jack can easily sue the NRL as at the time of the alleged incident, the rule did not exist. How can the NRL get out of that? Apart from that the Saints continued to pay him so he lost no income. Saints can possibly sue as they should be compensated for the loss of income as they paid a guy they could not use due to again a rule that did not exist at the time of the incident. Unless when the NRL bought out the rule and advised the affected parties to sign off on a clause to backdate it to a certain date.

I criticised the retrospectivity of the rule as unfair when it was first applied but unfortunately, there are precedents in both the State and Federal parliaments where legislation has been retrospectively applied to convict people of offences. Retrospectivity by itself therefore probably won't stand up as an issue.

The other issue is the outcome of the hearings. He has been found not guilty of one offence but at this stage there are no findings on the other four charges- he is effectively in limbo- neither guilty or innocent as a result of the hung jury.

If that remains the case ie the DPP don't proceed with a third trial, it may be that De Belin and/or the club proceed with a legal action but given that he hasn't been found not guilty, it may be difficult to win compensation for loss of earnings, payment for services not received etc. At the very least, it promises to be a lawyer's picnic.
 

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I criticised the retrospectivity of the rule as unfair when it was first applied but unfortunately, there are precedents in both the State and Federal parliaments where legislation has been retrospectively applied to convict people of offences. Retrospectivity by itself therefore probably won't stand up as an issue.

The other issue is the outcome of the hearings. He has been found not guilty of one offence but at this stage there are no findings on the other four charges- he is effectively in limbo- neither guilty or innocent as a result of the hung jury.

If that remains the case ie the DPP don't proceed with a third trial, it may be that De Belin and/or the club proceed with a legal action but given that he hasn't been found not guilty, it may be difficult to win compensation for loss of earnings, payment for services not received etc. At the very least, it promises to be a lawyer's picnic.
Remember the burden of proof is with the DPP, Jack is innocent unless proven guilty therefore as things stand he’s an innocent man.
 
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