James Roberts to the Broncos (now Souths)

[Incorrect]

Now I am not saying you are wrong, but if you are going to say other coaches besides Bennett do it, you might want to try an not use two teams coached by Bennett as an example.

See my reply to legend above....

 

[Incorrect]

What about the 2013 Knights?

1. Boyd- QLD/Aus
2. Uate- Nsw/aus
3. BJ- Samoa
4. Gagai- qld
5. Mcmanus- nsw
6. Mullen- nsw
7. Gidley- nsw/aus
8. Snowden- nsw/aus
9. buderus- Nsw/aus
10. Mason- nsw/aus
11. Scott- nsw/aus
12. Costigan- qld
13. Smith- NZ

14. Gower- nsw aus GOAT.
15. Faalaogo- NZ
16. Rochow
17. Sims

They must have had a shit coach.

 

[perverse]

Yet you have boyd on the bottom list, many would put him in the same category as the likes of myles and lillyman. Whether you like a player or not to say their rep jumpers are undeserved is a bit harsh.

The only one I said was undeserved was Jackson, and yes that's my personal opinion. It's an opinion I believe is shared by many, but it's irrelevant anyway. You're building up strawman after strawman in order to make your point, which I'm actually still in the dark about, what is your point?

My point, as I seem to need to repeat ad nauseum, is that not all rep players are built equal, and simply declaring a roster full of "rep players" does not qualify it as a strong roster automatically. Especially if said rep players haven't played rep footy for 5 or 10 years.

Do you disagree with that statement? Do you think the Knights 2013 team was as strong as any premiership team of the past 10 years? Or any other team from the past 10 years that is packed with "rep players"? I truly don't understand your point and am trying to fathom your line of thinking. I hardly see my comments as controversial.

 

[Son of Minto]

Pot kettle

You should make a new account under that name.

 

[DiegoNT]

The only one I said was undeserved was Jackson, and yes that's my personal opinion. It's an opinion I believe is shared by many, but it's irrelevant anyway. You're building up strawman after strawman in order to make your point, which I'm actually still in the dark about, what is your point?

My point, as I seem to need to repeat ad nauseum, is that not all rep players are built equal, and simply declaring a roster full of "rep players" does not qualify it as a strong roster automatically. Especially if said rep players haven't played rep footy for 5 or 10 years.

Do you disagree with that statement? Do you think the Knights 2013 team was as strong as any premiership team of the past 10 years? Or any other team from the past 10 years that is packed with "rep players"? I truly don't understand your point and am trying to fathom your line of thinking. I hardly see my comments as controversial.

My point is that you made a separate category for 'current undeserved rep players'.
There are no undeserved CURRENT rep players. Even if you think that a player shouldn't be there, it means that he is considered one of the best in his position.
Morris isn't better then cam smith, myles isn't better then issac luke and lillyman isn't better then jake friend, but you'd pick morris myles and lillyman as a group over luke,smith and friend caused you'd have strength all over the park that's why having a team full of rep stars is extremely valuable, even if all those rel stars aren't at Thurstons level.

 

[perverse]

My point is that you made a separate category for 'current undeserved rep players'.
There are no undeserved CURRENT rep players. Even if you think that a player shouldn't be there, it means that he is considered one of the best in his position.
Morris isn't better then cam smith, myles isn't better then issac luke and lillyman isn't better then jake friend, but you'd pick morris myles and lillyman as a group over luke,smith and friend caused you'd have strength all over the park that's why having a team full of rep stars is extremely valuable, even if all those rel stars aren't at Thurstons level.

Right, so we have to go right back now to my first reply to you, where I admit that I was inaccurate with my wording when I said that. Thanks for wasting a lot of both our time.

How can you live with yourself being so pedantic? I've clearly stated my point numerous times, and you ignore that to piss and moan about how I worded something ages ago? Fmd.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

And here is the biggest issue. We (raiders) offered milford 1 million dollars a season to stay. Now its rumoured he is on about 900k at the broncos including tpa. There were other issues at play for milford...club he grew up supporting, family and friends live in brisbane whatever.

Just looking at it from a money pov i would feel pretty confident that the 1 million we offered about 90 percent of that at a minimum was coming straight from the cap. I wouldnt be shocked if the broncos are only paying milford like 40 to 50 percent of his income.

Small market teams have to spend significant chunks of cap to keep players relative to the larger market sides on the same contract. Thats why clubs like the knignts have no money to spend with a bunch of reserve graders and the broncos can find room for high quality talent at the 11th hour.

Some bloke bagging out stuart was like hey raiders why you no sign a quality prop. Its not so easy because of the percentage of the cap a high quality player would cost the raiders and the amount of cap we need to spend just keeping the players we want.

Canberra need to get with the program. Create a 'charity' to donate money to and then have them buy thousands of club memberships, denounce poker machines and the harm they do to families, then get yourself sponsored by a casino. Then set up indigenous programs and have them pay players $200k a year for a few personal appearances in the local community a season.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

.............

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

double post

 

[redvscotty]

Thats 3 posts champ.

 

[pennywisealfie]

Thats 3 posts champ.

The 2nd post was a separate one altogether. It's actually a picture of the unsigned South Sydney Contract. Great find, Cockadoodledoo.

 

[Kiwi]

Kind of what I was getting at.....

You said the teams you listed shows that Bennett ISN'T the only coach to stack teams full of rep players. You teams lists don't prove your point unless ISN'T has two meanings?

 

[perverse]

At a wild guess I would say Incorrect made a typo... I thought the point of his post was pretty clear unless you're being intentionally obtuse.

 

[Kiwi]

At a wild guess I would say Incorrect made a typo... I thought the point of his post was pretty clear unless you're being intentionally obtuse.

Yeah because the Raiders, Roosters, Sea Eagles, Storm, etc all had barely a rep player between them in recent years. Or did Bennett coach all them as well?

 

[perverse]

Yeah because the Raiders, Roosters, Sea Eagles, Storm, etc all had barely a rep player between them in recent years. Or did Bennett coach all them as well?

That's a fine argument to make, and something valid to discuss with him for sure. Certainly beats squabbling over a typo. Of course, you fall back into the trap of assuming all rep players are equivalent, hell... many non-rep players are far better than many rep players at any given point in time.

The whole "how many rep players are in the team" discussion is misleading and just people trying to 1-up each other, disregarding the point of the discussion entirely. We're discussing roster quality, and just counting rep players in a vacuum is a pretty poor way to evaluate that. Half the forum can't even seem to agree whether "rep player" means current rep player - or has played a single game of rep 10 years ago. Jarrod Mullen is a rep player by some peoples measure.

 

[BunniesMan]

Very disappointed that he has gone off with dollar signs in his eyes. If the prodigal son came back home to Redfern it would have been the feel good story of the season. Instead he has just gone to the souless corporate club for big money. He would have been more likely to represent Origin and Internationals if he was with us.

Oh well, it wasn't to be.

 

[perverse]

The only place it would be the feel good story of the season is in your underpants, BM.

 

[Pete Cash]

Yeah because the Raiders, Roosters, Sea Eagles, Storm, etc all had barely a rep player between them in recent years. Or did Bennett coach all them as well?

We have like three current rep players and one of them is yet to play for us.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Very good pick up late in the piece. A very different player to Hodges, but no better or worse, just different.

Feel for guys like Kahu who stated that one of the reasons he re-signed was because he wanted Hodges vacant spot. Not so vacant anymore. That's how it is though. You don't turn down Roberts because it might hurt someone's feelings.

Copley will be a great pick up for whatever club swoops in and gets him (as long as they play him at centre and keep him far from the wing).

And yes, the salary "cap" isn't fair or even. Everyone should know that by now.

 

[Kiwi]

We have like three current rep players and one of them is yet to play for us.

Not when you won your last premiership you didn't